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From: Canuck57 on 18 Sep 2009 00:10

"Chris Ridd" <chrisridd(a)mac.com> wrote in message
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> On 2009-09-13 15:19:35 +0100, "Canuck57" <fred(a)nospam.com> said:
>
>> It will and IS coming back to haunt Sun and others. That is one main
>> reason
>> to use Linux over Solaris.
>
> No, that's just one reason to run Solaris on non-Sun hardware :-)
> --
> Chris

And funny, it has been so long and Solaris hasn't got ICH9R chipset support
on common COTs PCs (drivers for SATA). You have to pray and hope the BIOS
supports a ATA traslation and penalties. And this chipset is popular too as
are the ICH7R and others.


From: Canuck57 on 18 Sep 2009 00:18

"Cydrome Leader" <presence(a)MUNGEpanix.com> wrote in message
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> Sun was completely unable to provide PXE boot + jumpstart recipies that
> worked, even when escalated to the networking group in NY. I've not
> looked, but they still probably have some guide from 2006 that's useless
> unless you run solaris 10 09/05 or something like that.

This I have actually made work before. It does work, but you have to have
it setup just right including the routers. Every time I do this, some idiot
has DHCP helper on the server LAN pointed to a WinCrap box that runs
interferance. The #1 reason various boot methods don't work reliably or at
all is this one very point, some 1/2 assed inflexible DHCP server is on the
network.

> It seems they want to peddle this pc hardware, but don't take it
> seriously past the marketing part.

Agreed. OS2 did the same thing, and sad to say but without better x86
driver support for common chipsets like ICH9R Solaris isn't going anywhere
on the upside.


From: Casper H.S. Dik on 18 Sep 2009 04:46
"Canuck57" <fred(a)nospam.com> writes:


>And funny, it has been so long and Solaris hasn't got ICH9R chipset support
>on common COTs PCs (drivers for SATA). You have to pray and hope the BIOS
>supports a ATA traslation and penalties. And this chipset is popular too as
>are the ICH7R and others.


Current (Open)Solaris supports SATA on the ICH7/8/9 (ahci).
Or are you talking specifically about the "R" version (RAID)?

Casper
--
Expressed in this posting are my opinions. They are in no way related
to opinions held by my employer, Sun Microsystems.
Statements on Sun products included here are not gospel and may
be fiction rather than truth.
From: Thomas Tornblom on 18 Sep 2009 11:00
Casper H.S. Dik <Casper.Dik(a)Sun.COM> writes:

> "Canuck57" <fred(a)nospam.com> writes:
>
>
>>And funny, it has been so long and Solaris hasn't got ICH9R chipset support
>>on common COTs PCs (drivers for SATA). You have to pray and hope the BIOS
>>supports a ATA traslation and penalties. And this chipset is popular too as
>>are the ICH7R and others.
>
>
> Current (Open)Solaris supports SATA on the ICH7/8/9 (ahci).
> Or are you talking specifically about the "R" version (RAID)?

This is from a scanpci on my intel DG33-TL mobo:
---
pci bus 0x0000 cardnum 0x1f function 0x02: vendor 0x8086 device 0x2922
Intel Corporation 82801IR/IO/IH (ICH9R/DO/DH) 6 port SATA AHCI Controller
---

spiff:~ (298)> cfgadm
Ap_Id Type Receptacle Occupant Condition
sata0/0::dsk/c1t0d0 disk connected configured ok
sata0/1::dsk/c1t1d0 disk connected configured ok
sata0/2 sata-port empty unconfigured ok
sata0/3 sata-port empty unconfigured ok
sata0/4 sata-port empty unconfigured ok
sata0/5 sata-port empty unconfigured ok
....

snv_123


>
> Casper
> --
> Expressed in this posting are my opinions. They are in no way related
> to opinions held by my employer, Sun Microsystems.
> Statements on Sun products included here are not gospel and may
> be fiction rather than truth.

Thomas
From: Cydrome Leader on 18 Sep 2009 14:37
Canuck57 <fred(a)nospam.com> wrote:
>
> "Cydrome Leader" <presence(a)MUNGEpanix.com> wrote in message
> news:h8lo88$6ta$1(a)reader1.panix.com...
>
>> Sun was completely unable to provide PXE boot + jumpstart recipies that
>> worked, even when escalated to the networking group in NY. I've not
>> looked, but they still probably have some guide from 2006 that's useless
>> unless you run solaris 10 09/05 or something like that.
>
> This I have actually made work before. It does work, but you have to have
> it setup just right including the routers. Every time I do this, some idiot
> has DHCP helper on the server LAN pointed to a WinCrap box that runs
> interferance. The #1 reason various boot methods don't work reliably or at

I've always been able to just netboot an intel machines ok, using the
dusty docs with a sun DHCP server setup, but the jumpstart stuff always
failed, and you'd end up at some screen asking for settings. The jumpstart
rules are somehow different that on sparc and nobody was ever able to get
one that was able to work. The sun support people were all using solaris 8
machines that were upgraded to 10, and were different than a fresh 10
install so hald the stuff they wanted us to try wasn't even possible in
the first place.

The awful attempt at a remote access hardware console on the sun x86 stuff
was another reason to just bail on trying to use solaris 10 on "faster and
cheaper" machines that in the end wasted time and accomplished nothing at
all, plus big deal software like oracle isn't even supported on solaris
x86 unless you run some obsolete version.

I do still run some solaris 10 machines on HP hardware. It runs perfectly,
but the environment is so small that just manually installing a machine is
acceptable if need be. It's completley non-scalable in any way at all.

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