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From: Michael Siemon on 13 Apr 2010 22:53
In article <sehix-768908.19403013042010(a)5ad64b5e.bb.sky.com>,
Steve Hix <sehix(a)NOSPAMmac.comINVALID> wrote:

> > > In article
> > > <mlsiemon-091E83.14500813042010(a)c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au>,
> > > Michael Siemon <mlsiemon(a)sonic.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I'm looking for some way of correcting "mis-leveled" video footage --
> > > > my
> > > > perspective on the viewscreen was skewed, and the resulting image is
> > > > "tilted". Rotations in multiples of 90 degrees are common (e.g.,
> > > > built-in to iMovie). There are also "features" (e.g. in Final Cut
> > > > Express) to animate an image by "rotating it" arbitrary amounts as a
> > > > continuous visual "effect". Neither is what I want, and various google
> > > > searches don't turn up anything.
>
> From a brief look at the FCE manual, while rotation permits
> continuous/multiple rotation, it doesn't look like it requires it.
>
> Did you try commanding just the amount of rotation you need, and leaving
> it at that?

No (but I _will_ take another look...). _But_, the interface implies a
total rotation amount (whether more or less than one full rotation), with
a starting point and an ending point -- and the discussion (in connection
with animations) strongly suggests that the rotation is divided amongst
the frames in the selected interval of the timeline, starting at zero and
ending with the full value specified. That _is_ what would be wanted in
an animation sequence imposed on the footage. It is _not_ what I want.

(BTW: apologies for having inadvertently [I'm not sure how...]
overwriting the subject with a bare exclamation point.)
From: Steve Hix on 14 Apr 2010 00:30
In article
<mlsiemon-06534B.19534413042010(a)c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au>,
Michael Siemon <mlsiemon(a)sonic.net> wrote:

> In article <sehix-768908.19403013042010(a)5ad64b5e.bb.sky.com>,
> Steve Hix <sehix(a)NOSPAMmac.comINVALID> wrote:
>
> > > > In article
> > > > <mlsiemon-091E83.14500813042010(a)c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au>,
> > > > Michael Siemon <mlsiemon(a)sonic.net> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I'm looking for some way of correcting "mis-leveled" video footage --
> > > > > my
> > > > > perspective on the viewscreen was skewed, and the resulting image is
> > > > > "tilted". Rotations in multiples of 90 degrees are common (e.g.,
> > > > > built-in to iMovie). There are also "features" (e.g. in Final Cut
> > > > > Express) to animate an image by "rotating it" arbitrary amounts as a
> > > > > continuous visual "effect". Neither is what I want, and various
> > > > > google
> > > > > searches don't turn up anything.
> >
> > From a brief look at the FCE manual, while rotation permits
> > continuous/multiple rotation, it doesn't look like it requires it.
> >
> > Did you try commanding just the amount of rotation you need, and leaving
> > it at that?
>
> No (but I _will_ take another look...). _But_, the interface implies a
> total rotation amount (whether more or less than one full rotation), with
> a starting point and an ending point -- and the discussion (in connection
> with animations) strongly suggests that the rotation is divided amongst
> the frames in the selected interval of the timeline, starting at zero and
> ending with the full value specified. That _is_ what would be wanted in
> an animation sequence imposed on the footage. It is _not_ what I want.

Start at frame 1 finish at frame 5. Heck start during a leader segment
before the image displays.
From: Michael Siemon on 14 Apr 2010 00:39
In article <sehix-A717C3.21302613042010(a)5ad64b5e.bb.sky.com>,
Steve Hix <sehix(a)NOSPAMmac.comINVALID> wrote:

> In article
> <mlsiemon-06534B.19534413042010(a)c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au>,
> Michael Siemon <mlsiemon(a)sonic.net> wrote:
>
> > In article <sehix-768908.19403013042010(a)5ad64b5e.bb.sky.com>,
> > Steve Hix <sehix(a)NOSPAMmac.comINVALID> wrote:
> >
> > > > > In article
> > > > > <mlsiemon-091E83.14500813042010(a)c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au>,
> > > > > Michael Siemon <mlsiemon(a)sonic.net> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I'm looking for some way of correcting "mis-leveled" video footage
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > my
> > > > > > perspective on the viewscreen was skewed, and the resulting image
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > "tilted". Rotations in multiples of 90 degrees are common (e.g.,
> > > > > > built-in to iMovie). There are also "features" (e.g. in Final Cut
> > > > > > Express) to animate an image by "rotating it" arbitrary amounts as
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > continuous visual "effect". Neither is what I want, and various
> > > > > > google
> > > > > > searches don't turn up anything.
> > >
> > > From a brief look at the FCE manual, while rotation permits
> > > continuous/multiple rotation, it doesn't look like it requires it.
> > >
> > > Did you try commanding just the amount of rotation you need, and leaving
> > > it at that?
> >
> > No (but I _will_ take another look...). _But_, the interface implies a
> > total rotation amount (whether more or less than one full rotation), with
> > a starting point and an ending point -- and the discussion (in connection
> > with animations) strongly suggests that the rotation is divided amongst
> > the frames in the selected interval of the timeline, starting at zero and
> > ending with the full value specified. That _is_ what would be wanted in
> > an animation sequence imposed on the footage. It is _not_ what I want.
>
> Start at frame 1 finish at frame 5. Heck start during a leader segment
> before the image displays.

Ummm, I want to apply the rotation -- as a constant -- for about 20
minutes. I'm rather unsure that you are thinking about any context
remotely like the one at issue (for me). The f*ing camera was not
properly aligned on the tripod (my fault, to be sure...). I want to
correct for that. The remaining 2.5 hours of video footage for the
event are fine, thank you very much.
From: Warren Oates on 14 Apr 2010 18:13
In article
<mlsiemon-8830B1.21391713042010(a)c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au>,
Michael Siemon <mlsiemon(a)sonic.net> wrote:

> Ummm, I want to apply the rotation -- as a constant -- for about 20
> minutes. I'm rather unsure that you are thinking about any context
> remotely like the one at issue (for me). The f*ing camera was not
> properly aligned on the tripod (my fault, to be sure...). I want to
> correct for that. The remaining 2.5 hours of video footage for the
> event are fine, thank you very much.

I know what you mean.

In article
<mlsiemon-B75F26.16431313042010(a)c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au>,
Michael Siemon <mlsiemon(a)sonic.net> wrote:

> Is that present in previous versions of FCP (FCP 6, for example?) I
> might be willing to shell out for a used copy of that, but the current
> purpose _really_ doesn't warrant an $800 or so software purchase.

My version of FCP is at 5.1. 20 minutes isn't much. What's the format of
the the material? Maybe you can find someone locally to load it into FCP
and output a corrected version for you. I mean, it seems you just enable
the wireframe and use your mouse to pull the corner down to where want
it. There's probably some keystrokes for refining that.
--
Very old woody beets will never cook tender.
-- Fannie Farmer
From: Michael Siemon on 14 Apr 2010 18:27
In article <4bc63e1e$0$12569$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com>,
Warren Oates <warren.oates(a)gmail.com> wrote:

> In article
> <mlsiemon-8830B1.21391713042010(a)c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au>,
> Michael Siemon <mlsiemon(a)sonic.net> wrote:
>
> > Ummm, I want to apply the rotation -- as a constant -- for about 20
> > minutes. I'm rather unsure that you are thinking about any context
> > remotely like the one at issue (for me). The f*ing camera was not
> > properly aligned on the tripod (my fault, to be sure...). I want to
> > correct for that. The remaining 2.5 hours of video footage for the
> > event are fine, thank you very much.
>
> I know what you mean.
>
> In article
> <mlsiemon-B75F26.16431313042010(a)c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au>,
> Michael Siemon <mlsiemon(a)sonic.net> wrote:
>
> > Is that present in previous versions of FCP (FCP 6, for example?) I
> > might be willing to shell out for a used copy of that, but the current
> > purpose _really_ doesn't warrant an $800 or so software purchase.
>
> My version of FCP is at 5.1. 20 minutes isn't much. What's the format of
> the the material? Maybe you can find someone locally to load it into FCP
> and output a corrected version for you. I mean, it seems you just enable
> the wireframe and use your mouse to pull the corner down to where want
> it. There's probably some keystrokes for refining that.

Thanks for the hint. I might see if I can pick up a used copy of that or
FCP6 (still a bit pricey, but maybe worth it...) I'll also check around
a bit, as you suggest.
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