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From: Anonymous on 2 Feb 2010 20:58 Bear Bottoms wrote: > Craig <netburgher(a)REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in > news:hkadv8$qt9$1(a)news.eternal-september.org: > >> On 02/02/2010 03:24 PM, Bear Bottoms wrote: >> >>> To people running Windows the programs are free of any additional cost >>> no matter what... >> >> -but- >> >>> It is still freeware for Windows users. >> >> "[F]ree of any /additional/ cost" and "freeware" are not one in the >> same. >> >>> If you are not running Windows, why bother with Windows software... >> >> You might not have read my earlier post on this but, IE is a >> requirement for accessing the vendor databases of two of our customers. >> That is why we bothered. >> >> We could download, install & run IE on WINE. We had no need for >> Windows... except that MS requires that we pay for a Windows user >> license. Hence, to run IE legally, we had to buy a Windows license. >> >> Software is not freeware if you must buy something to use it. >> >> > You can't win on this type of argument. You have to buy a computer to > use software... My God you're dense. Not to mention so narrow of mind you're laughably wrong... First of all, to dash your argument at face value, one actually does NOT have to purchase a computer to use software. Software can be run on gifts, work machines, public access terminals, etc. etc. etc. And freeware authors couldn't care less. But your inability to see beyond your nose aside, the "buy the machine" argument fails on principal because freeware vendors [gasp] don't make it a requirement that you buy your hardware from them. Hardly any *commercial* software vendors require it, in fact. > description because of it. If you need Windows software, it is fair of > Microsoft to require using their software on their OS. Actually dimbulb, it's not. And Microsloth knows that for a FACT after reading the numerous antitrust judgments against them.
From: kwalger on 2 Feb 2010 21:07 On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 00:18:26 +0000, Bear Bottoms wrote: > Craig <netburgher(a)REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in > news:hkaeg6$vu1$1(a)news.eternal-september.org: > >> On 02/02/2010 03:43 PM, KristleBawl wrote: >>> Craig expressed an opinion: >>>> On 02/02/2010 02:29 PM, KristleBawl wrote: >>>>> There are a few programs that you can get for Windows that are free, >>>>> *after* you already paid for Windows. >>>> >>>> Not free. You must pay the MS Windows user's license to run them. >>>> People happily run all sorts of truly free software apps*, written >>>> for MS Windows, but in Linux and FreeBSD and others. >>>> >>>> That is because these *freeware* writers do not make legal >>>> requirements that you buy MS Windows. Or as I like to put it, either it's equally free to all or it isn't freeware. >>> >>> Okay, so let me see if I understand you. If I already bought and paid >>> for genuine Windows OEM on a new computer, then any freeware I install >>> is only freeware if it is *not* also made by Microsoft? >> >> I gave you a perfect example in IE. It is easy to run IE w/o Windows. >> Microsoft requires you to pay for a Windows license to use IE. Ergo, >> IE is not freeware. >> >> Firefox, Chrome, Safari are all freeware. They do not require the >> purchase of something to use them. >> >> As far as your counter-examples, their EULAs will tell you whether they >> are freeware: namely, free of any requirement to buy Windows to run >> them. >> >> > No Craig...simply no. It is freeware. I'll give you a simpler > example...you buy my radio. I will give you part free of cost to make > repairs or replacements. If you use any other parts, warranty is void. > The parts are still free. These arguments are stupid. Are you willing to give everyone else those parts for free even though they didn't buy anything from you? If not then those parts aren't "freeware". > Microsoft offers freeware to use on their OS. That they legally > require you to use their freeware on their computer ~~~~~ Freudian slip? :-) > does not make it payware or shareware. It is an intended > limitation of use for capitalistic purpose. It is still freeware. If the EULA requires *anyone* to pay money to use it, then it isn't freeware.
From: John Corliss on 2 Feb 2010 21:09 Craig wrote: > »Q« wrote: >> KristleBawl wrote: >> >> ... >>> Linux users can also get a lot of programs to work using Wine. >> >> If it's freeware, that's fine. For a GNU/Linux user to download and >> run Microsoft alleged "freeware", s/he'd need to buy a license for it >> first. (And even then, MS EULAs generally forbid running their >> software on anything other than a licensed MS OS, even if you've paid >> for it.) > > We ran across this issue when we were required by a couple of (large) > customers to run Internet Explorer so as to access their supplier > databases. There are ways to run IE6 in WINE but, apart from the > kludge-factor, the MS EULA requires a valid MSOS license & that it be > run on MSOS. > > IE, then, is "free to download" and nothing more. IE still costs $ due > to the licensing. Excellent point, Craig. One that's eluded me until now. Thanks for that example. -- John Corliss BS206. I block all Google Groups posts due to Googlespam, and as many posts from anonymous remailers (like x-privat.org for eg.) as possible due to forgeries posted through them. No ad, CD, commercial, cripple, demo, nag, share, spy, time-limited, trial or web wares OR warez for me, please.
From: KristleBawl on 2 Feb 2010 21:23 Craig expressed an opinion: > KristleBawl wrote: >> Craig expressed an opinion: >>> KristleBawl wrote: >>>> There are a few programs that you can get for Windows that are >>>> free, *after* you already paid for Windows. >>> >>> Not free. You must pay the MS Windows user's license to run >>> them. People happily run all sorts of truly free software apps*, >>> written for MS Windows, but in Linux and FreeBSD and others. >>> >>> That is because these *freeware* writers do not make legal >>> requirements that you buy MS Windows. >> >> Okay, so let me see if I understand you. If I already bought and >> paid for genuine Windows OEM on a new computer, then any freeware I >> install is only freeware if it is *not* also made by Microsoft? > > I gave you a perfect example in IE. It is easy to run IE w/o Windows. > Microsoft requires you to pay for a Windows license to use IE. Ergo, > IE is not freeware. > > Firefox, Chrome, Safari are all freeware. They do not require the > purchase of something to use them. > > As far as your counter-examples, their EULAs will tell you whether > they are freeware: namely, free of any requirement to buy Windows to > run them. IE was bundled with every version of Windows going back many years. Only recently did the EU successfully force MS to offer users a choice of browser during installation of Windows, which only means you can opt-out of having IE installed on your Windows computer, if you live in EU countries. US consumers still get IE bundled in Windows and updated through Windows Update as well as downloaded /for Windows users/ at the Microsoft site. I agree that IE is not freeware and I said right along I was not talking about IE. *You* brought up IE in this thread. There are *other* apps listed in the OP link that *are* freeware, but not very many. Only the ones that are *not* bundled, even though they are only offered /to Windows users/ as freeware. As a Windows user, I cannot install Mac or Linux freeware apps, either, but that doesn't make them not freeware. You can't have it both ways. If you insist that Windows freeware is not freeware because you have to buy Windows, then you might as well say Mac freeware is not freeware, either, because you have to buy a Mac. Linux isn't freeware, either, because you have to buy the hardware to install it on. -- Hab SoSlI' Quch! - Your Mother has a smooth forehead. - Klingon Curse KristleBawl's Taglines by Tagzilla 0.066.2 http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla Instabird development http://www.instantbird.com/
From: Non scrivetemi on 2 Feb 2010 21:32
Bear Bottoms wrote: >>> All but maybe a few programs on the Pricelessware list are commercial >>> software by your standards. >> >> That doesn't follow either, but thanks for trying. >> >> > Sure it does. To use Windows software on a Windows machine, you must buy > Windows OS so by your logic it ain't freeware. No, you DON'T have to buy windows to use windows freeware. Not even on a Windows machine. It's not a legal, or even a technical requirement. Only Micro$oft makes that demand regarding THEIR "freeware". I have a nice set of REALLY nice tires I'll sell you for $30,000 Bottoms. I'll even throw in a free car. *chuckle* |