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From: Dave U. Random on 2 Feb 2010 21:52 KristleBawl wrote: > Craig expressed an opinion: >> On 02/02/2010 10:37 AM, KristleBawl wrote: >> >>> The point is that Microsoft freeware is written for Windows users >> >> No. Again, IE and other such products aren't freeware. >> >> The illustration I posted shows software, published by Microsoft, which >> may be run on Windows and, via WINE, on Linux and FreeBSD and other >> OSes. There is no technical barrier. However, you can only install IE >> "If you are licensed to use Microsoft Windows..." >> >> IOW, these are legal restrictions which require(d) payment: i.e. MS >> Windows license fees. I cannot legally use this software without doing >> so. >> >> This may seem to be inconsequential to you when discussing what is >> "free" but, in my case, I bought MS Windows so that I could legally use >> Internet Explorer. Hence, IE is not freeware. >> >> fwiw, > > I'm not talking about the programs bundled into Windows, such as IE. Uh, dimbulb... IE *isn't* "bundled into Window$" it's available as a standalone application. In fact there's a package that actually installs and configures the official IE package for use under Wine. Much to Microsloth's chagrin. *snicker*
From: »Q« on 2 Feb 2010 22:44 In <news:Xns9D13B15E65DF9bearbottoms1gmaicom(a)news.albasani.net>, Bear Bottoms <bearbottoms1(a)gmai.com> wrote: > To people running Windows the programs are free of any additional > cost no matter what. Purchasing a license to run the programs doesn't make them free, it just makes them already paid for.
From: KristleBawl on 2 Feb 2010 22:52 Craig expressed an opinion: > On 02/02/2010 06:23 PM, KristleBawl wrote: >> As a Windows user, I cannot install Mac or Linux freeware apps... > > Oh yes, you can. Often that's because a lot of their apps are written > to libraries which are cross-platform. Consider this partial list > from Wikipedia. GTK apps: > > * AbiWord - Word processor Multi-platform freeware is available for many Operating Systems, not just windows *or* Mac, etc.. -- Error 216: Tagline out of paper. KristleBawl's Taglines by Tagzilla 0.066.2 http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla Instabird development http://www.instantbird.com/
From: »Q« on 2 Feb 2010 22:59 In <news:hlsgm5hdu2d9r068fevplg6k7qrfbauddh(a)4ax.com>, M.L. <me(a)privacy.invalid> wrote: > >>> Linux users can also get a lot of programs to work using Wine. > >> > >> If it's freeware, that's fine. For a GNU/Linux user to download > >> and run Microsoft alleged "freeware", s/he'd need to buy a license > >> for it first. > > Freeware is not required to be available for all OS platforms. For *anyone* to get a license for the alleged freeware, the person would have to buy that license. > >> (And even then, MS EULAs generally forbid running their > >> software on anything other than a licensed MS OS, even if you've > >> paid for it.) > > > >We ran across this issue when we were required by a couple of > >(large) customers to run Internet Explorer so as to access their > >supplier databases. There are ways to run IE6 in WINE but, apart > >from the kludge-factor, the MS EULA requires a valid MSOS license & > >that it be run on MSOS. > > >IE, then, is "free to download" and nothing more. IE still costs $ > >due to the licensing. > > EULAs are not legal documents in the USA. More like a preference of > the distributor. They *are* legal documents in the USA, though a lot of them contain provisions that wouldn't be enforceable.
From: Anonymous Remailer (austria) on 2 Feb 2010 23:08
Bear Bottoms wrote: > Craig <netburgher(a)REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in > news:hkaeg6$vu1$1(a)news.eternal-september.org: > >> On 02/02/2010 03:43 PM, KristleBawl wrote: >>> Craig expressed an opinion: >>>> On 02/02/2010 02:29 PM, KristleBawl wrote: >>>>> There are a few programs that you can get for Windows that are free, >>>>> *after* you already paid for Windows. >>>> >>>> Not free. You must pay the MS Windows user's license to run them. >>>> People happily run all sorts of truly free software apps*, written >>>> for MS Windows, but in Linux and FreeBSD and others. >>>> >>>> That is because these *freeware* writers do not make legal >>>> requirements that you buy MS Windows. >>> >>> Okay, so let me see if I understand you. If I already bought and paid >>> for genuine Windows OEM on a new computer, then any freeware I install >>> is only freeware if it is *not* also made by Microsoft? >> >> I gave you a perfect example in IE. It is easy to run IE w/o Windows. >> Microsoft requires you to pay for a Windows license to use IE. Ergo, >> IE is not freeware. >> >> Firefox, Chrome, Safari are all freeware. They do not require the >> purchase of something to use them. >> >> As far as your counter-examples, their EULAs will tell you whether they >> are freeware: namely, free of any requirement to buy Windows to run >> them. >> >> > No Craig...simply no. It is freeware. I'll give you a simpler > example...you buy my radio. I will give you part free of cost to make > repairs or replacements. Nope. If you sell someone a package that includes a radio and spare parts, those parts are LEGALLY part of that transaction and thus have a monetary value regardless of whatever feel-good blithering you do to try and convince someone they're getting a "deal". Most people understand this simple concept Bottoms. Most people aren't so gullible that they're mislead so badly by a plain and simple line of bullshit. |