From: Muzza on
On Jul 9, 3:24 am, "cbarn24...(a)aol.com" <cbarn24...(a)aol.com> wrote:
> On Jul 7, 1:40 pm, "Murray R. Van Luyn" <REMOVE.vanlu...(a)iinet.net.au>
> wrote:
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> > <cbarn24...(a)aol.com> wrote in message
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> >news:96241fde-0d12-4aee-a970-038ea36aaf9e(a)j8g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
> > On Jul 5, 5:19 pm, d_s_klein <d_s_kl...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jul 4, 6:12 pm, "Murray R. Van Luyn" <REMOVE.vanlu...(a)iinet.net.au>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > Hi,
>
> > > > Into 8051 derived controllers and coding with Keil C51? Save countless
> > > > development hours by basing your applications on my proven,
> > > > user-friendly
> > > > foundation Keil C source code modules. Find them here:
>
> > > >http://members.iinet.net.au/~vanluynm/
>
> > > > Please take advantage of the site's safe bookmarking mechanism and come
> > > > back
> > > > often. New content is currently being added on a very regular basis..
>
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Murray R. Van Luyn.
>
> > > There is a commercial site (pay me to download my software) at the end
> > > of that link - your post is the textbook definition of SPAM.
>
> > > For the rest of the world, there is better software out there FOR
> > > FREE!
>
> > > RK
>
> > Very true, I had a quick look at the serial module and it's joke code.
> > Has no value whatever.
>
> > Isn't it odd that such empty criticism always comes from anonymous, with no
> > worthy contribution of their own?
>
> Nothing anonymous about me squire, if you cant email me its because
> your hiding behind an anonymous address yourself. Try using the
> address your isp gave you.
>
> I think my contribution was posative, aside from maybe saving someone
> time and money it should have spurned you on to look again at your
> effort. Sadly it looks like one out of two.
>
>
>
> > Okay cbarn24050, please feel free to impress us all with your own
> > significant and worthwhile contributions to the embedded community.
>
> Well what would impress you?
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> > Can't do it? Why ever not, I wonder?
>
> Can do have done, and yourself?
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> > Regards,
> > Murray R. Van Luyn.- Hide quoted text -
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hahahaha.

Scurry away little cockroach. The light might shine on you!

Regards,
Murray R. Van Luyn.
From: Muzza on
On Jul 9, 6:10 pm, Muzza <vanlu...(a)iinet.net.au> wrote:
> On Jul 9, 5:06 pm, Chris H <ch...(a)phaedsys.org> wrote:
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> > In message <63a9d144-24df-44d1-84a7-6e4cd5cd9...(a)m40g2000prc.googlegroup
> > s.com>, Muzza <vanlu...(a)iinet.net.au> writes
>
> > >On Jul 8, 4:23 pm, Chris H <ch...(a)phaedsys.org> wrote:
> > >> In message <f53cc2ad-b2a4-4600-b5a3-2be805df2...(a)k1g2000prl.googlegroups
> > >> .com>, Muzza <vanlu...(a)iinet.net.au> writes
>
> > >> >On Jul 8, 2:55 am, Chris H <ch...(a)phaedsys.org> wrote:
> > >> >> In message <c1a99e82-a85d-4d53-a5d1-64e334f3d...(a)q21g2000prm.googlegroup
> > >> >> s.com>, Muzza <vanlu...(a)iinet.net.au> writes
>
> > >> >> >On Jul 8, 2:24 am, Chris H <ch...(a)phaedsys.org> wrote:
> > >> >> >> In message <AOCdnRhkTMt56KnRnZ2dnUVZ_hedn...(a)westnet.com.au>, Murray R.
> > >> >> >> Van Luyn <REMOVE.vanlu...(a)iinet.net.au> writes
>
> > >> >> >> ><cbarn24...(a)aol.com> wrote in message
> > >> >> >> >news:96241fde-0d12-4aee-a970-038ea36aaf9e(a)j8g2000yqd.googlegro
> > >> >> >> >ups.com...
> > >> >> >> >On Jul 5, 5:19 pm, d_s_klein <d_s_kl...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >> >> >> >> On Jul 4, 6:12 pm, "Murray R. Van Luyn"
> > >> >> >> >><REMOVE.vanlu...(a)iinet.net.au>
> > >> >> >> >> wrote:
>
> > >> >> >> >> > Hi,
>
> > >> >> >> >> > Into 8051 derived controllers and coding with Keil C51? Save
> > >> >> >> >> >countless
> > >> >> >> >> > development hours by basing your applications on my proven,
> > >> >> >> >> > user-friendly
> > >> >> >> >> > foundation Keil C source code modules. Find them here:
>
> > >> >> >> >> >http://members.iinet.net.au/~vanluynm/
>
> > >> >> >> >> > Please take advantage of the site's safe bookmarking
> > >> >> >> >> >mechanism and come
> > >> >> >> >> > back
> > >> >> >> >> > often. New content is currently being added on a very
> > >> >> >> >> >regular basis.
>
> > >> >> >> >> > Regards,
> > >> >> >> >> > Murray R. Van Luyn.
>
> > >> >> >> >> There is a commercial site (pay me to download my software)
> > >> >> >> >>at the end
> > >> >> >> >> of that link - your post is the textbook definition of SPAM..
>
> > >> >> >> >> For the rest of the world, there is better software out there FOR
> > >> >> >> >> FREE!
>
> > >> >> >> >> RK
>
> > >> >> >> >Very true, I had a quick look at the serial module and it's joke code.
> > >> >> >> >Has no value whatever.
>
> > >> >> >> >Isn't it odd that such empty criticism always comes from
> > >> >> >> >anonymous, with no
> > >> >> >> >worthy contribution of their own?
>
> > >> >> >> >Okay cbarn24050, please feel free to impress us all with your own
> > >> >> >> >significant and worthwhile contributions to the embedded community.
>
> > >> >> >> >Can't do it? Why ever not, I wonder?
>
> > >> >> >> >Regards,
> > >> >> >> >Murray R. Van Luyn.
>
> > >> >> >> I second the criticisms made by Cbarn and RK.
>
> > >> >> >> There is far better C51 software available for free.  I would also
> > >> >> >> suggest that you are a novice at embedded code.
>
> > >> >> >> Further I think you really should (and very quickly) remove
> > >> >> >>most of your
> > >> >> >> web site before people see it. You are probably in a LOT more trouble
> > >> >> >> than you realise.
>
> > >> >> >> Regards
> > >> >> >>   Chris
>
> > >> >> >And how am I in trouble according to you this time, Chris?
>
> > >> >> >Regards,
> > >> >> >Murray R. Van Luyn.
>
> > >> >> Apart from the appalling code do you have permission to use the Kiel
> > >> >> logo?
>
> > >> >More psychic code commentary. How about I give you Reinhart's e-mail
> > >> >address, and you can indulge your child-like desires to intimidate by
> > >> >telling on me to him?
>
> > >> >Regards,
> > >> >Murray R. Van Luyn.
>
> > >> I don't need you to give me anyone's email address. I have known
> > >> Reinhard personally for many years, by which I mean face to face in real
> > >> life.  However it is Mark Onions or Rene Fabricius you need to talk to
> > >> before you use an ARM trade mark.
>
> > >> As a Keil distributor (and for several years I was Keil UK Ltd)  and
> > >> many years of actually using the Keil C51 in real projects apart from  a
> > >> decade of Keil tech support I have seen a lot of Keil C51 code and the
> > >> only use of your web site is the legal statements. You seem to have
> > >> spent more time on those than the code. Pity you do not understand them.
>
> > >> --
> > >> \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
> > >> \/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills  Staffs  England     /\/\/\/\/
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> > >Hi Chris,
>
> > >Oooh, well you're obviously a big and scary bully-boy, then. I need to
> > >be well scared of you, don't I?
>
> > >Let's wait and see what my website looks like in 12-weeks time, when I
> > >again post news of it's growth, then shall we? Please, by all means
> > >demonstrate to the whole group, your awesome power to make good your
> > >childish and empty attempts at intimidation.
>
> > >Regards,
> > >Murray R. Van Luyn.
>
> > I think we can all see who the adult is here.
>
> > --
> > \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
> > \/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills  Staffs  England     /\/\/\/\/
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> Yes, the one that doesn't go about childishly intimidating and
> threatening perceived 'easy targets'.
>
> Regards,
> Murray R. Van Luyn.- Hide quoted text -
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Chris,

Nah, I have probably have been running my mouth a bit here, and with
little regard for the effect.

You're usually a pretty good experience in interractions, Chris.
Ordinarily I have a lot of respect for your views, but in this
instance I feel you may have been swept by the 'ill tide' of this
thread.

I'm not suggesting that you agree with my position entirely, but that
you perhaps consider my stated position and goals in a slightly more
sympathetic light. I really am trying to serve in the best way I am
able, and there really is nothing self-serving, sinister or
underhanded about my method.

Regards,
Murray R. Van Luyn.
From: Muzza on
On Jul 8, 7:47 pm, Hans-Bernhard Bröker <HBBroe...(a)t-online.de> wrote:
> Am 08.07.2010 03:34, schrieb Muzza:
>
> > Well, that about tears it, Hans. Regrettably, I'm now sincerely glad
> > that my token contribution, software distribution policy does offend
> > you.
>
> It doesn't.  Your stubborn refusal to accept the fact that your site is,
> by any applicable definition, a commercial effort, and thus your posting
> is spamn, does.   And your style of argumentation does, like trying to
> discredit other people's statements as "psychic", when the major user of
> telepathy-based knowledge here is yourself.
>
> > I'm quite happy that you have such an aversion to my
> > contribution,
>
> What you're making here is no contribution.  It's a commercial offering..
>
> > those that CAN appreciate my news posting for what it
> > was. That is, as a non-spam, not-for-profit item
>
> So you're still deluding yourself that your service, although
> _requiring_ a payment, were not-for-profit by the applicable, legal
> definition.  And that unsolicited advertising for it weren't spam.
> Well, for the umpteenth time: you're wrong on both counts.
>
> > Right, that's about enough of this junior-school level nonsense.
>
> Right.  So rise above that level, why don't you?

Hans,

Nah, I'm sorry Hans. I'm happy to interract with all other thread
contributors, but I won't respond to you any further. I aliken the
experience of our initial encounter to the unfortunate discovery that
one has consumed a large portion of a rotten apple. We'll see how my
sense of smell recovers before I consider going back for more of that.

Regards,
Murray R. Van Luyn.
From: Walter Banks on


Didi wrote:

> On Jul 9, 3:46 am, "Chris Burrows" <cfbsoftw...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
> >.... However, I can see no
> > particular problem with Mr Van Luyn's post - at the very least it was on
> > topic. I also checked the charter of this newsgroup and could find no
> > reference to any problems with posts that referenced the sale of commercial
> > software.
>
>
> Thanks for posting this, I was about to write something in that
> spirit.
> I have neither looked at the OP code nor do I use any 8051 nor do
> I buy software, for that - but there is nothing wrong with his
> single commercial post. We do post links to new products of CPU
> vendors etc., so why is he not allowed to post one, just because
> he is small or because his code is supposedly no good (no idea
> about that, might be great)?
> Could it be the entire load of hatred which was poured comes
> from people who are wanna-be self employed programmers like
> he apparently at least tries to be?

There is nothing wrong with the website or products. There
appears to be something fundamentally dishonest with the
use of Keil's name on the thread and logo on the site to
promote the op's products. There is an implication in the thread
title that Keil supports / endorsees the software products. As far
as I can tell from the responses that is not true.

w..

From: Didi on
On Jul 9, 1:48 pm, Walter Banks <wal...(a)bytecraft.com> wrote:
> Didi wrote:
> > On Jul 9, 3:46 am, "Chris Burrows" <cfbsoftw...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >.... However, I can see no
> > > particular problem with Mr Van Luyn's post - at the very least it was on
> > > topic. I also checked the charter of this newsgroup and could find no
> > > reference to any problems with posts that referenced the sale of commercial
> > > software.
>
> > Thanks for posting this, I was about to write something in that
> > spirit.
> > I have neither looked at the OP code nor do I use any 8051 nor do
> > I buy software, for that - but there is nothing wrong with his
> > single commercial post. We do post links to new products of CPU
> > vendors etc., so why is he not allowed to post one, just because
> > he is small or because his code is supposedly no good (no idea
> > about that, might be great)?
> > Could it be the entire load of hatred which was poured comes
> > from people who are wanna-be self employed programmers like
> > he apparently at least tries to be?
>
> There is nothing wrong with the website or products. There
> appears to be something fundamentally dishonest with the
> use of Keil's name on the thread and logo on the site to
> promote the op's products. There is an implication in the thread
> title that Keil supports / endorsees  the software products. As far
> as I can tell from the responses that is not true.
>
> w..

Hi Walter,
the subject line may be misleading but we have seen a lot
less meaningful ones. Dishonest - I am not sure, what if
it had been "Intel C ... whatever site updated". He appears
to just indicate he is using some sort of compiler
people are supposed to know about (I don't).
But then this is in your line of busyness and not in mine
so I may simply be missing something.

Dimiter
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