A constant speed of light in all reference frames? Surely you can't be serious. [Physics]

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From: Peter Webb on 24 Feb 2010 01:02

"mpc755" <mpc755(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Feb 23, 11:20 pm, "Peter Webb"
<webbfam...(a)DIESPAMDIEoptusnet.com.au> wrote:
> "mpc755" <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:5d46b213-167c-46a8-9206-cdbefe14ce2c(a)a18g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 23, 10:21 pm, "Peter Webb"
>
> <webbfam...(a)DIESPAMDIEoptusnet.com.au> wrote:
> > This is not how it works in AD. Everything in AD is with respect to
> > the aether. When the clocks are moved to A' and B' they are not
> > synchronized with respect to each other.
>
> > ___________________________
> > How do you work out your speed "relative to the ether"? What makes you
> > think
> > it exists at all?
>
> What you can determine is your state, or approximate state, with
> respect to the aether.
>
> _________________________________
> How, exactly? How can you work out your speed relative to the ether?

The speed of one reference frame with respect to the aether can be
determined relative to another reference frame.

______________________
How?

Atomic clocks 'tick' based on the aether pressure in which it exists.
An objects momentum determines the aether pressure on and through the
object. The greater the momentum the greater the associated aether
pressure.

The speed of a GPS satellite with respect to the aether causes it to
displace more aether and for that aether to exert more pressure on the
clock in the GPS satellite than the aether pressure associated with a
clock at rest with respect to the Earth. This causes the GPS satellite
clock to "result in a delay of about 7 �s/day".

________________________________
GPS satellites cannot be used to measure ether speed. Time dilation for GPS
satellites is exactly as predicted by Relativity, which does not include a
component for ether speed. So if that is your test of ether theory, it
failed.

Can you describe a single experiment which you believe would show a
different result from SR if your theory was correct?

From: Peter Webb on 24 Feb 2010 01:03

"mpc755" <mpc755(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Feb 23, 11:18 pm, "Peter Webb"
<webbfam...(a)DIESPAMDIEoptusnet.com.au> wrote:
> "mpc755" <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:3d071cf9-0885-44d9-a3b0-2ebc4338fb16(a)d27g2000yqf.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 23, 10:21 pm, "Peter Webb"
>
> <webbfam...(a)DIESPAMDIEoptusnet.com.au> wrote:
> > This is not how it works in AD. Everything in AD is with respect to
> > the aether. When the clocks are moved to A' and B' they are not
> > synchronized with respect to each other.
>
> > ___________________________
> > How do you work out your speed "relative to the ether"? What makes you
> > think
> > it exists at all?
>
> I have explained this to you at least 10 times. If you want to know
> how it works out with respect to the aether read the posts I have
> already posted in response to this question.
>
> __________________________________
> You haven't outlined an experiment which would show your speed "relative
> to
> the ether". I suggested one - you measure the speed of light in your local
> reference frame,

For the 22nd time, the speed will be measured as 'c' in the local
reference frame.

> subtract it from 'c', and this gives you your speed
> relative to the ether. You said this wouldn't work because the speed of
> light will always be measured at 'c', so this will always show you are at
> rest with respect to the ether.
>
> So, please outline an experiment which would tell you your speed relative
> to
> the ether as being anything other than zero.

___________________________________________________
So, please outline an experiment which would tell you your speed relative to
the ether as being anything other than zero.

From: mpc755 on 24 Feb 2010 01:08

On Feb 24, 1:02 am, "Peter Webb"
<webbfam...(a)DIESPAMDIEoptusnet.com.au> wrote:
> "mpc755" <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:f2c18327-9c66-48eb-9088-07bd98b058c5(a)b7g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 23, 11:20 pm, "Peter Webb"
>
>
>
> <webbfam...(a)DIESPAMDIEoptusnet.com.au> wrote:
> > "mpc755" <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:5d46b213-167c-46a8-9206-cdbefe14ce2c(a)a18g2000yqc.googlegroups.com....
> > On Feb 23, 10:21 pm, "Peter Webb"
>
> > <webbfam...(a)DIESPAMDIEoptusnet.com.au> wrote:
> > > This is not how it works in AD. Everything in AD is with respect to
> > > the aether. When the clocks are moved to A' and B' they are not
> > > synchronized with respect to each other.
>
> > > ___________________________
> > > How do you work out your speed "relative to the ether"? What makes you
> > > think
> > > it exists at all?
>
> > What you can determine is your state, or approximate state, with
> > respect to the aether.
>
> > _________________________________
> > How, exactly? How can you work out your speed relative to the ether?
>
> The speed of one reference frame with respect to the aether can be
> determined relative to another reference frame.
>
> ______________________
> How?
>
> Atomic clocks 'tick' based on the aether pressure in which it exists.
> An objects momentum determines the aether pressure on and through the
> object. The greater the momentum the greater the associated aether
> pressure.
>
> The speed of a GPS satellite with respect to the aether causes it to
> displace more aether and for that aether to exert more pressure on the
> clock in the GPS satellite than the aether pressure associated with a
> clock at rest with respect to the Earth. This causes the GPS satellite
> clock to "result in a delay of about 7 ìs/day".
>
> ________________________________
> GPS satellites cannot be used to measure ether speed. Time dilation for GPS
> satellites is exactly as predicted by Relativity, which does not include a
> component for ether speed. So if that is your test of ether theory, it
> failed.
>

Time is a concept. There is no such thing as spacetime. The rate at
which atomic clocks tick is based on the aether pressure in which they
exist. Thinking time actually changes is incorrect.

If you dropped a clock with a paddle off of a boat and the deeper it
was dropped into the ocean the slower it 'ticked', as determined by a
clock on the boat, would you say time has changed or would you say the
increase in hydrostatic pressure is causing the clock to 'tick'
slower?

> Can you describe a single experiment which you believe would show a
> different result from SR if your theory was correct?

From: mpc755 on 24 Feb 2010 01:10

On Feb 24, 1:03 am, "Peter Webb"
<webbfam...(a)DIESPAMDIEoptusnet.com.au> wrote:
> "mpc755" <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:3f587f42-1458-48b4-b995-56dd1769ce29(a)k41g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 23, 11:18 pm, "Peter Webb"
>
>
>
> <webbfam...(a)DIESPAMDIEoptusnet.com.au> wrote:
> > "mpc755" <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:3d071cf9-0885-44d9-a3b0-2ebc4338fb16(a)d27g2000yqf.googlegroups.com....
> > On Feb 23, 10:21 pm, "Peter Webb"
>
> > <webbfam...(a)DIESPAMDIEoptusnet.com.au> wrote:
> > > This is not how it works in AD. Everything in AD is with respect to
> > > the aether. When the clocks are moved to A' and B' they are not
> > > synchronized with respect to each other.
>
> > > ___________________________
> > > How do you work out your speed "relative to the ether"? What makes you
> > > think
> > > it exists at all?
>
> > I have explained this to you at least 10 times. If you want to know
> > how it works out with respect to the aether read the posts I have
> > already posted in response to this question.
>
> > __________________________________
> > You haven't outlined an experiment which would show your speed "relative
> > to
> > the ether". I suggested one - you measure the speed of light in your local
> > reference frame,
>
> For the 22nd time, the speed will be measured as 'c' in the local
> reference frame.
>
> > subtract it from 'c', and this gives you your speed
> > relative to the ether. You said this wouldn't work because the speed of
> > light will always be measured at 'c', so this will always show you are at
> > rest with respect to the ether.
>
> > So, please outline an experiment which would tell you your speed relative
> > to
> > the ether as being anything other than zero.
>
> ___________________________________________________
> So, please outline an experiment which would tell you your speed relative to
> the ether as being anything other than zero.

Relative speed in different frames of reference with respect to the
aether can be determined by the rate at which atomic clocks tick. The
faster an atomic clock 'ticks' the more at rest with respect to the
aether it is.

From: mpc755 on 24 Feb 2010 01:14

On Feb 24, 1:08 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 24, 1:02 am, "Peter Webb"
>
>
>
> <webbfam...(a)DIESPAMDIEoptusnet.com.au> wrote:
> > "mpc755" <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:f2c18327-9c66-48eb-9088-07bd98b058c5(a)b7g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
> > On Feb 23, 11:20 pm, "Peter Webb"
>
> > <webbfam...(a)DIESPAMDIEoptusnet.com.au> wrote:
> > > "mpc755" <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > >news:5d46b213-167c-46a8-9206-cdbefe14ce2c(a)a18g2000yqc.googlegroups.com....
> > > On Feb 23, 10:21 pm, "Peter Webb"
>
> > > <webbfam...(a)DIESPAMDIEoptusnet.com.au> wrote:
> > > > This is not how it works in AD. Everything in AD is with respect to
> > > > the aether. When the clocks are moved to A' and B' they are not
> > > > synchronized with respect to each other.
>
> > > > ___________________________
> > > > How do you work out your speed "relative to the ether"? What makes you
> > > > think
> > > > it exists at all?
>
> > > What you can determine is your state, or approximate state, with
> > > respect to the aether.
>
> > > _________________________________
> > > How, exactly? How can you work out your speed relative to the ether?
>
> > The speed of one reference frame with respect to the aether can be
> > determined relative to another reference frame.
>
> > ______________________
> > How?
>
> > Atomic clocks 'tick' based on the aether pressure in which it exists.
> > An objects momentum determines the aether pressure on and through the
> > object. The greater the momentum the greater the associated aether
> > pressure.
>
> > The speed of a GPS satellite with respect to the aether causes it to
> > displace more aether and for that aether to exert more pressure on the
> > clock in the GPS satellite than the aether pressure associated with a
> > clock at rest with respect to the Earth. This causes the GPS satellite
> > clock to "result in a delay of about 7 ìs/day".
>
> > ________________________________
> > GPS satellites cannot be used to measure ether speed. Time dilation for GPS
> > satellites is exactly as predicted by Relativity, which does not include a
> > component for ether speed. So if that is your test of ether theory, it
> > failed.
>
> Time is a concept. There is no such thing as spacetime. The rate at
> which atomic clocks tick is based on the aether pressure in which they
> exist. Thinking time actually changes is incorrect.
>
> If you dropped a clock with a paddle off of a boat and the deeper it
> was dropped into the ocean the slower it 'ticked', as determined by a
> clock on the boat, would you say time has changed or would you say the
> increase in hydrostatic pressure is causing the clock to 'tick'
> slower?
>

Modification:

If you dropped a clock with a paddle for the second hand off a boat
and the deeper it was dropped into the ocean the slower it 'ticked',
as determined by a clock on the boat, would you say time has changed
or would you say the increase in the hydrostatic pressure caused the
clock, with a paddle for the second hand, to 'tick' slower?

> > Can you describe a single experiment which you believe would show a
> > different result from SR if your theory was correct?
>
>