From: Jan Panteltje on
On a sunny day (Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:25:08 -0800) it happened "Joel Koltner"
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>"Joerg" <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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>>So, got a link?
>
>The Toyota Corolla gets 26/35MPG (city/highway) with a manual and 27/35 with
>an automatic. The Nissan Sentra is more impressive at 24/31 (manual) and
>25/33 (auto CVT).
>
>From here: http://cars.about.com/od/helpforcarbuyers/tp/top10_fuel.htm. In
>most cases the manuals do slightly better, but clearly there are a few
>automatics out there that do as well or a tiny bit better than manuals. I
>have nothing against manuals and arguably then can be a little more fun to
>drive, but it seems like the fuel economy difference is largely a wash these
>days... and it's certainly a lot easier to find automatics if you're looking
>for used cars.

Manual should be outlawed.
From: Vladimir Vassilevsky on


Joerg wrote:


> Not sure, since the automatic can't see a slope or a curve coming up.
> Maybe some day it can and it's all GPS-linked.

Then it also has to account for what is going on in the front and in the
back, how is the weather and zillion of other factors.

>> I keep hoping that one of these days an inexpensive and reliable
>> continuously variable transmission finds its way into cars.
>>

> Would be nice but I am quite happy with the manual transmission in my
> car. Does the job and contains no electronics that could fry.

Agreed. There is only one inconvenience with manual: when you have to
eat while driving through a city.

VLV



From: Joerg on
Joel Koltner wrote:
> "Joerg" <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote in message
> news:7oq5d3F3rbu8hU3(a)mid.individual.net...
>> So, got a link?
>
> The Toyota Corolla gets 26/35MPG (city/highway) with a manual and 27/35
> with an automatic. The Nissan Sentra is more impressive at 24/31
> (manual) and 25/33 (auto CVT).
>

Actually my wife has a Corolla. When working in a town 20 miles away I
used it at times and yeah, I got 35mpg highway but only with very
careful driving (I am pretty good with eco-driving). With stick shift
Corollas I can get close to 40mpg.


> ... From here:
> http://cars.about.com/od/helpforcarbuyers/tp/top10_fuel.htm. In most
> cases the manuals do slightly better, but clearly there are a few
> automatics out there that do as well or a tiny bit better than manuals.
> I have nothing against manuals and arguably then can be a little more
> fun to drive, but it seems like the fuel economy difference is largely a
> wash these days... and it's certainly a lot easier to find automatics if
> you're looking for used cars.
>

One thing you absolutely must have (and many manuals don't) is
overdrive. Automatics usually do and if the manual doesn't, yes, then
they can win. But that would be comparing apples to oranges. My big Audi
in Germany had overdrive and I regularly got 35mpg out of that rather
fat full-size station wagon. My Mitsubishi doesn't have that and I can't
get it above 28mpg because it runs around 3000rpm at 65mph, too much.

--
Regards, Joerg

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From: Robert Latest on
John Larkin wrote:
> Of course it does. Radium phosphors will glow in the dark for
> centuries. That's what the radium is for.

Cool! I thought they also had to be "charged" with light.

robert
From: Robert Latest on
Jan Panteltje wrote:
> On a sunny day (10 Dec 2009 17:34:26 GMT) it happened Robert Latest
><boblatest(a)yahoo.com> wrote in <7ocpp2F3p9ht0U2(a)mid.uni-berlin.de>:
>
>>Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>> 'Spiritus' is 85% Ethanol, and 3% Methanol, plus a horribe smell and
>>> taste added... Vodka is expensive, and only 40%, heavely taxed here.
>>
>>I don't think there's methanol in it.
>>
>>robert
>
> Spiritus has it written on the bottle, contains:
> 85 % Ethanol
> max 3 % Methanol.

That's integesting. I need to check, but I think in Germany "Spritus" is
just alcohol plus some non-toxic but extremely bitter-tasting additives.
OK, the German Wikipedia confirms this. No Methanol.

robert