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From: Jim Thompson on 16 Dec 2009 19:48 On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 16:09:20 -0800, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >Jim Thompson wrote: >> On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 14:10:03 -0800, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >> wrote: >> >>> Jim Thompson wrote: >>>> On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 15:33:12 -0600, Jim Yanik <jyanik(a)abuse.gov> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon(a)My-Web-Site.com/Snicker> >>>>>> [auto-snip] >>>>>> Ummmmm? My Q45 has automatic _stability_ control. >>>>> which COMPENSATES for the failings of the auto transmission.... >>>>> and the driver. >>>>> ;-) >>>> It's some kind of traction control. Not quite sure how it works, but >>>> supposed to prevent Joerg's hypothetical loss of control when you hit >>>> ice. >>>> >>> If you mean the ESP that luxury cars have: >> >> Seems that's what _I_ drive ;-) >> >>> That can cut throttle and >>> automatically apply some braking. But that is still _not_ the same as >>> pressing the clutch and achieving immediate coasting. >>> >>> Ask a professional race car or rallye driver. >> >> How 'bout we meet at Firebird/Bondurant, just a few miles south of >> me... maybe during the Spring SED event here at my place... and you >> can show me (and everyone else) how good a driver you are ?:-) >> >> How 'bout I arrange a Formula-V race betwixt the two of us ?:-) Yousa >> gonna lose.... BIG :-) >> > >Sure I'd lose that, my Mits doesn't have the horses to race plus weighs >almost two tons. Sheeeesh! Formula-V is, natch, Volkswagen engines in a sleek body, provided by Bondurant.... I didn't want to embarrass you handling some real power ;-) Although it'd be fun racing your MIT's against my Q45 ;-) ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, CTO | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | Help save the environment! Please dispose of socialism properly!
From: langwadt on 16 Dec 2009 20:24 On 17 Dec., 00:43, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...(a)earthlink.net> wrote: > Joerg wrote: > > > Jim Thompson wrote: > > > On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 15:33:12 -0600, Jim Yanik <jya...(a)abuse.gov> > > > wrote: > > > >> Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...(a)My-Web-Site.com/Snicker> > > >> wrote innews:tqthi55bns8p7896nfrdgd756uj45au2qc(a)4ax.com: > > > >>> On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 06:55:48 -0800, Joerg <inva...(a)invalid.invalid> > > >>> wrote: > > > >>>> Michael A. Terrell wrote: > > >>>>> Joerg wrote: > > >>> [auto-snip] > > >>>>>> You were lucky with your automatics. I know numerous people who > > >>>>>> have either given up cars or paid north of $2k after the automatic > > >>>>>> transmission croaked. My old Audi (manual) is now beyond 200,000km > > >>>>>> and since the new owner and I are friends we talk a lot on the > > >>>>>> phone. The only things he ever mentioned was a repair after a > > >>>>>> motorcyclist took an illegal sidewalk ride and crashed into the > > >>>>>> front, plus after a frozen food truck backed into it. But no clutch > > >>>>>> job. > > > >>>>>> What I really don't like with automatics is when you get onto ice > > >>>>>> and they shift on you. > > > >>>>> Then you don't know how to drive a vehicle with an automatic > > >>>>> transmission on ice. I took a survival driving course on wet ice in > > >>>>> a 1/2 ton pickup truck with an automatic while in the Army. Their > > >>>>> logic was, "If you can do it with an automatic transmission, you can > > >>>>> do it with a manual transmission." BTW, the test was conducted by > > >>>>> the National Safety Council. > > > >>>> True, I don't know that. A race car driver once said that an automatic > > >>>> will, in our lifetime, probably never be as good as a manual to handle > > >>>> one you get onto a surprise patch of ice. Load change reaction is so > > >>>> much faster because it ain't sloshing all this stuff around. > > >>> Ummmmm? My Q45 has automatic _stability_ control. > > >> which COMPENSATES for the failings of the auto transmission.... > > >> and the driver. > > >> ;-) > > > > It's some kind of traction control. Not quite sure how it works, but > > > supposed to prevent Joerg's hypothetical loss of control when you hit > > > ice. > > > If you mean the ESP that luxury cars have: That can cut throttle and > > automatically apply some braking. But that is still _not_ the same as > > pressing the clutch and achieving immediate coasting. > > > Ask a professional race car or rallye driver. > > They won't race on a damp track, let alone ice. what? I know that racing on ovals is only in the dry, but pretty much every other racing class will run in the rain, and lots of rallies are with snow and ice, finland, sweden, monte carlo etc. but i most top class racing the clutch is only used for starting and stopping -Lasse
From: Jim Thompson on 16 Dec 2009 22:07 On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 18:47:28 -0600, krw <krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote: >On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 19:16:46 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell" ><mike.terrell(a)earthlink.net> wrote: > >> >>krw wrote: >>> >>> Michael A. Terrell wrote: >>> > >>> > Then you don't know how to drive a vehicle with an automatic >>> >transmission on ice. I took a survival driving course on wet ice in a >>> >1/2 ton pickup truck with an automatic while in the Army. Their logic >>> >was, "If you can do it with an automatic transmission, you can do it >>> >with a manual transmission." BTW, the test was conducted by the >>> >National Safety Council. >>> >>> That's true, but it doesn't mean there are some things that can be >>> done with a manual transmission that cannot be done with an automatic. >> >> >> >> The only advantage I've seen with a manual transmission is 'granny >>gear', where you top out at 5 MPH but can pull a house off its >>foundation. Or push someone out of your way when they are blocking the >>road on purpose. Contrary to the claims about brakes keeping a vehicle >>from moving, they can't stop something in that gear. > >Engine braking is far superior with a manual as is rolling friction >(or lack of it). It's much easier to control a car with a manual on >ice than an auto. That's just a simple fact. I've had many cars of >each variety and would take a manual in bad weather every time. "Simple fact" is a phrase that only a leftist weenie would use ;-) ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, CTO | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | Help save the environment! Please dispose of socialism properly!
From: Michael A. Terrell on 16 Dec 2009 22:33 krw wrote: > > On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 19:16:46 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell" > <mike.terrell(a)earthlink.net> wrote: > > > > >krw wrote: > >> > >> Michael A. Terrell wrote: > >> > > >> > Then you don't know how to drive a vehicle with an automatic > >> >transmission on ice. I took a survival driving course on wet ice in a > >> >1/2 ton pickup truck with an automatic while in the Army. Their logic > >> >was, "If you can do it with an automatic transmission, you can do it > >> >with a manual transmission." BTW, the test was conducted by the > >> >National Safety Council. > >> > >> That's true, but it doesn't mean there are some things that can be > >> done with a manual transmission that cannot be done with an automatic. > > > > > > > > The only advantage I've seen with a manual transmission is 'granny > >gear', where you top out at 5 MPH but can pull a house off its > >foundation. Or push someone out of your way when they are blocking the > >road on purpose. Contrary to the claims about brakes keeping a vehicle > >from moving, they can't stop something in that gear. > > Engine braking is far superior with a manual as is rolling friction > (or lack of it). It's much easier to control a car with a manual on > ice than an auto. That's just a simple fact. I've had many cars of > each variety and would take a manual in bad weather every time. That was why they gave the test with an automatic transmission. If you could complete the course with an automatic, it would be easy with a manual. -- Offworld checks no longer accepted!
From: Jim Yanik on 16 Dec 2009 22:58
Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon(a)My-Web-Site.com/Snicker> wrote in news:h18ji5l1vvq6t4r6gdevjrm4ndl5pp299r(a)4ax.com: > On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 18:47:28 -0600, krw <krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote: > >>On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 19:16:46 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell" >><mike.terrell(a)earthlink.net> wrote: >> >>> >>>krw wrote: >>>> >>>> Michael A. Terrell wrote: >>>> > >>>> > Then you don't know how to drive a vehicle with an automatic >>>> >transmission on ice. I took a survival driving course on wet ice >>>> >in a 1/2 ton pickup truck with an automatic while in the Army. >>>> >Their logic was, "If you can do it with an automatic transmission, >>>> >you can do it with a manual transmission." BTW, the test was >>>> >conducted by the National Safety Council. >>>> >>>> That's true, but it doesn't mean there are some things that can be >>>> done with a manual transmission that cannot be done with an >>>> automatic. >>> >>> >>> >>> The only advantage I've seen with a manual transmission is 'granny >>>gear', where you top out at 5 MPH but can pull a house off its >>>foundation. Or push someone out of your way when they are blocking >>>the road on purpose. Contrary to the claims about brakes keeping a >>>vehicle from moving, they can't stop something in that gear. >> >>Engine braking is far superior with a manual as is rolling friction >>(or lack of it). It's much easier to control a car with a manual on >>ice than an auto. That's just a simple fact. I've had many cars of >>each variety and would take a manual in bad weather every time. > > "Simple fact" is a phrase that only a leftist weenie would use ;-) > > ...Jim Thompson Leftist weenies can't understand simple facts. B-) -- Jim Yanik jyanik at localnet dot com |