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From: Allen on 3 Jul 2010 17:08 Savageduck wrote: <snip> > Been there, done that. That was a long time ago, I didn't buy the > Tee-shirt, or the ears. That was only because an overseas visitor wanted > the experience. From my point of view, money wasted, a perfect example > of ugly American artificiality and corporate greed. I am not impressed > with, and I don't like what Disneyland/World is selling. > Give me the National Parks, Yosemite, Zion, Sequoia-Kings Canyon, the > Redwoods, Adirondacks, Death Valley, or Big Sur for real "fun" and America. > ...but that is not you is it? > <snip> Sounds like my son. He went to Disneyland when he was seven years old. Looked around at a lot of things. When he left he said to his mother "Everything in there is plastic". That's the only thing he said about it. A few days later we went to Yosemite and then the Grand Canyon, both of which he talked about at length (very favorably). I share your sentiments. Allen
From: J. Clarke on 3 Jul 2010 17:12 On 7/3/2010 3:59 PM, Savageduck wrote: > On 2010-07-03 12:31:51 -0700, "John Sisker" <jsisker(a)sprynet.com> said: > >> "Savageduck" <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message >> news:2010070311230675249-savageduck1(a)REMOVESPAMmecom... >>> On 2010-07-03 11:15:21 -0700, tony cooper >>> <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> said: >>> >>>> On Sat, 3 Jul 2010 10:33:40 -0700, "John Sisker" <jsisker(a)sprynet.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> "tony cooper" <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> wrote in message >>>>> news:e1it26tfmappu1pbekak902pn5cgcb9nje(a)4ax.com... >>>>>> On Fri, 2 Jul 2010 20:06:41 -0700, Savageduck >>>>>> <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 2010-07-02 19:47:41 -0700, tony cooper >>>>>>> <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> >>>>>>> said: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, 2 Jul 2010 19:38:20 -0700, "John Sisker" >>>>>>>> <jsisker(a)sprynet.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "Savageduck" <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>> news:2010070217590116807-savageduck1(a)REMOVESPAMmecom... >>>>>>>>>> For those who care, a 1948 Hudson Commodore, downtown this >>>>>>>>>> morning. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> < http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/DNC3644w.jpg > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Savageduck >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Interesting picture of the car itself, but the photo looks like >>>>>>>>> nothing >>>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>>> than my typical travel snapshots. A slightly different angle >>>>>>>>> would have >>>>>>>>> been >>>>>>>>> much better, plus some serious cropping for a better >>>>>>>>> composition, and >>>>>>>>> if you >>>>>>>>> actually intended that reflection, that could have been done much >>>>>>>>> better as >>>>>>>>> well. In this particular case, I would assume that you did have >>>>>>>>> amply >>>>>>>>> time >>>>>>>>> in taking the picture, even with the possibility of using >>>>>>>>> different >>>>>>>>> lenses >>>>>>>>> and/or special effects. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Interesting critique, John. Feel free to offer a critique on my >>>>>>>> recent photograph of an automobile. Note that there are no >>>>>>>> distracting reflections. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> No special effects were used. While I could have used my Bondo >>>>>>>> or my >>>>>>>> Turtle Wax filter, I didn't. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Other/Current-Favorite-Shot/2010-06-30-003/919446485_6YMQ7-XL.jpg >>>>>>>> > > I'm > > thankful > > you >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> took care of those annoying reflections there Tony. A fine >>>>>>> capture of American iron. >>>>>>> Thinking of a full restoration are you? >>>>>> >>>>>> Naw, the car I saw that day that I would like to restore was this >>>>>> one: >>>>>> http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Other/Current-Favorite-Shot/2010-06-30-002/919446464_RcCHu-XL.jpg >>>>>> > Being > > a >>>>>> >>>>>> Hoosier by birth, I've always had a soft spot for Studebakers. >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Since we're off the subject of photography itself and on to cars >>>>> instead, >>>>> for what it is worth, here is a photo of my favorate car. >>>>> >>>>> http://www.tinplatedesign.com/Cars.jpg >>>>> >>>> >>>> Yes, it figures you would like one with advertising on it. >>> >>> >>> Well it is just a short drive from Huntington Beach to Anaheim, and >>> all that Disney fun, and fine examples of classic vehicles John loves >>> >>> BTW, I was almost tempted to rework my original image in this post to >>> crop, remove reflection, and blur the background, and then I >>> remembered who prompted that thought bubble. >>> -- >>> Regards, Savageduck >> >> >> >> >> There's classic vehicles at Disneyland - where? > > Now that was sarcasm, but I quess you missed it. > >> It must have been a long time since you have been there, if you were >> ever there at all. > > Been there, done that. That was a long time ago, I didn't buy the > Tee-shirt, or the ears. That was only because an overseas visitor wanted > the experience. From my point of view, money wasted, a perfect example > of ugly American artificiality and corporate greed. I am not impressed > with, and I don't like what Disneyland/World is selling. The last time I was at Disneyland, there were many vehicles in the parking lot that are now considered classics. Back then though they were just "late model sedans". > Give me the National Parks, Yosemite, Zion, Sequoia-Kings Canyon, the > Redwoods, Adirondacks, Death Valley, or Big Sur for real "fun" and America. > ...but that is not you is it? > >> Actually, a trip to Disney would not hurt you, it is indeed fun, and >> fun is definitely something you seem to need. It appears that you are >> taking everything way too serious. >> >> John Sisker - Huntington Beach, California > > I gave up on serious 2 1/2 years ago. I have had my fill of serious > ...and I don't have to regress to some sort of 8 year old, or support an > organization like Disney to have fun. > >
From: Frank ess on 3 Jul 2010 17:38 Savageduck wrote: > > Been there, done that. That was a long time ago, I didn't buy the > Tee-shirt, or the ears. That was only because an overseas visitor > wanted the experience. From my point of view, money wasted, a > perfect example of ugly American artificiality and corporate greed. > I am not impressed with, and I don't like what Disneyland/World is > selling. Give me the National Parks, Yosemite, Zion, Sequoia-Kings > Canyon, the Redwoods, Adirondacks, Death Valley, or Big Sur for > real "fun" and America. > ...but that is not you is it? > >> Actually, a trip to Disney would not hurt you, it is indeed fun, >> and fun is definitely something you seem to need. It appears that >> you are taking everything way too serious. >> >> John Sisker - Huntington Beach, California > > I gave up on serious 2 1/2 years ago. I have had my fill of serious > ...and I don't have to regress to some sort of 8 year old, or > support an organization like Disney to have fun. Too bad. Disney is fun, not because of Disney, but because of what people who go there take in with them and rediscover while there. It's a good environment for not only enriching the "D" empire, but the lives of thousands who might never find the joy and sweet sentiments within. It's OK to be soft at times, to be other than savage. I was at Disneyland the day it opened, but the last of a dozen or visits was thirty years ago when we took our crew of fifteen delinquent kids who had never been north of Mission Valley. They were 100% non-delinquent within the park, and for a few weeks thereafter. They worked hard to get "matching funds" from the County so they could go. They earned admission and a decent pocketful of walking-around money by washing cars and yardwork. They had fun at the park. They treated each other and everyone else with respect while there and for a few weeks more. Definitely an enhancement to their lives, and ours, and the people around them. I do have some knowledge of the meanness underlying much of the Disney empire, but as in every feature of the world, there is a balance between cost and income, and for my part, the cost is much less than the payoff. And I'd guess your definition of "fun" is a bit different from many, or you wouln't feel driven to respond so aggressively to every post in your fiefdom. Too bad. Very respectfully, -- Frank ess
From: Savageduck on 3 Jul 2010 18:31 On 2010-07-03 14:38:46 -0700, "Frank ess" <frank(a)fshe2fs.com> said: > > > Savageduck wrote: > >> >> Been there, done that. That was a long time ago, I didn't buy the >> Tee-shirt, or the ears. That was only because an overseas visitor >> wanted the experience. From my point of view, money wasted, a >> perfect example of ugly American artificiality and corporate greed. >> I am not impressed with, and I don't like what Disneyland/World is >> selling. Give me the National Parks, Yosemite, Zion, Sequoia-Kings >> Canyon, the Redwoods, Adirondacks, Death Valley, or Big Sur for >> real "fun" and America. >> ...but that is not you is it? >> >>> Actually, a trip to Disney would not hurt you, it is indeed fun, >>> and fun is definitely something you seem to need. It appears that >>> you are taking everything way too serious. >>> >>> John Sisker - Huntington Beach, California >> >> I gave up on serious 2 1/2 years ago. I have had my fill of serious >> ...and I don't have to regress to some sort of 8 year old, or >> support an organization like Disney to have fun. > > Too bad. > > Disney is fun, not because of Disney, but because of what people who go > there take in with them and rediscover while there. It's a good > environment for not only enriching the "D" empire, but the lives of > thousands who might never find the joy and sweet sentiments within. > > It's OK to be soft at times, to be other than savage. I was at > Disneyland the day it opened, but the last of a dozen or visits was > thirty years ago when we took our crew of fifteen delinquent kids who > had never been north of Mission Valley. They were 100% non-delinquent > within the park, and for a few weeks thereafter. > > They worked hard to get "matching funds" from the County so they could > go. They earned admission and a decent pocketful of walking-around > money by washing cars and yardwork. They had fun at the park. They > treated each other and everyone else with respect while there and for a > few weeks more. Definitely an enhancement to their lives, and ours, and > the people around them. That is laudable of you, and I am sure a great escape for the kids who benefited > > I do have some knowledge of the meanness underlying much of the Disney > empire, but as in every feature of the world, there is a balance > between cost and income, and for my part, the cost is much less than > the payoff. Agreed, however once I out grew my comic book youth in the early 60's the Disney artificiality was no escape from my reality. If it thrill rides for the kids there are other options. If it is a different educational experience there are other options, if it is exposure to the overwhelming grandeur of the country there are options. A trip to Yosemite, or Sequoia would have opened the eyes of those kids to a different World to what they faced in the City or in the "Valley." After Dineyland all there is, is a return to what they escaped with nothing but fantasy to inspire them. There are other options. > > And I'd guess your definition of "fun" is a bit different from many, or > you wouln't feel driven to respond so aggressively to every post in > your fiefdom. > > Too bad. > > Very respectfully, My fiefdom? This is an open forum and I responded to John and his shallow promotional mindset. I am not going through some mid-life crisis searching for some lost childhood fantasy, I am quite content with reality. I enjoy traveling both in the US and overseas, and somehow I manage to have reality based fun. Care to do a little fishing sometime. Some think that can be fun. It is one of the things I do which bring a smile to my face from time to time. There are others, but a sweaty, 3-fingered Mickey isn't going to do it for me. -- Regards, Savageduck
From: tony cooper on 3 Jul 2010 20:37
On Sat, 3 Jul 2010 12:59:54 -0700, Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote: >Been there, done that. That was a long time ago, I didn't buy the >Tee-shirt, or the ears. That was only because an overseas visitor >wanted the experience. From my point of view, money wasted, a perfect >example of ugly American artificiality and corporate greed. I am not >impressed with, and I don't like what Disneyland/World is selling. >Give me the National Parks, Yosemite, Zion, Sequoia-Kings Canyon, the >Redwoods, Adirondacks, Death Valley, or Big Sur for real "fun" and >America. >...but that is not you is it? I have only been to Disney World (Orlando's park) with small children in tow. I didn't pay any attention to the plasticity or the artificialness of the place because I was watching the absolute, pure joy of the kids. What you call "corporate greed" is what I call an exchange of value for money. Every time I've been to Disney with the kids the value of the good time they had was more than the money I exchanged for the day. In most of the national parks you mention, corporate greed displaced the native peoples who originally inhabited that area. We have Yosemite because greedy gold miners discovered the area, the railroad barons opened up travel to that area, and California troops (the Mariposa Battalion) cleaned out the Miwoks, the Chowchillas, and the Ahwahneechee Indians. It was a Savage - James Savage - who led the Mariposa Battalion. He was a gold miner who wanted the Indians out because they bothered his greedy plans to take gold from the Merced River. -- Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida |