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From: Allen on 4 Jul 2010 10:44 Peter wrote: > "John McWilliams" <jpmcw(a)comcast.net> wrote in message > news:i0or2n$r16$2(a)news.eternal-september.org... >> Peter wrote: >>> "Allen" <allent(a)austin.rr.com> wrote in message >>> news:RPydnUmwG-5LO7LRnZ2dnUVZ_g6dnZ2d(a)giganews.com... >>>> Savageduck wrote: >>>> <snip> >>>>> Been there, done that. That was a long time ago, I didn't buy the >>>>> Tee-shirt, or the ears. That was only because an overseas visitor >>>>> wanted the experience. From my point of view, money wasted, a >>>>> perfect example of ugly American artificiality and corporate greed. >>>>> I am not impressed with, and I don't like what Disneyland/World is >>>>> selling. >>>>> Give me the National Parks, Yosemite, Zion, Sequoia-Kings Canyon, >>>>> the Redwoods, Adirondacks, Death Valley, or Big Sur for real "fun" >>>>> and America. >>>>> ...but that is not you is it? >>>>> >>>> <snip> >>>> Sounds like my son. He went to Disneyland when he was seven years >>>> old. Looked around at a lot of things. When he left he said to his >>>> mother "Everything in there is plastic". That's the only thing he >>>> said about it. A few days later we went to Yosemite and then the >>>> Grand Canyon, both of which he talked about at length (very >>>> favorably). I share your sentiments. >>> >>> >>> As do my wife and I. the last time we went, my wife commented that >>> she would have liked to hear just one person say "F--- you." I will >>> not discuss going on Space Mountain stoned. >> >> My wife never liked to hear that. What a wonderful wife you have! > > Thank you. > Like me she grew up as a street from NYC and both of us call thigs > pretty much as we see them. She always had a sense of humor. (she once > shot a cop with a water pistol.) though the dumbest thing she ever did > as stick with me all these years. When we met she was just 15. this year > will be our 50th anniversy. We plan to go the the Panama Canal to > celebrate. > > > > Congratulations! Our 52nd is next month. Have a fun trip. Allen
From: Allen on 4 Jul 2010 10:51 tony cooper wrote: > On Sat, 3 Jul 2010 20:20:41 -0700, Savageduck > <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote: > >> That is probably true for most family groups with young children and >> grandchildren. An easy way to entertain the kids, and probably good >> value for that purpose. I can appreciate that. However, regardless of >> some of the value Disney provided through some of their great nature >> productions, they distort and simplify much of our history. > > Hell, Duck, the Texas school board is doing more to distort history > than Disney will ever do. Kansas legislators make Disney look like > pikers in this area. Kids grow out of believing in Disney > characterizations, but they are growing up in some states being taught > not to believe in evolution. > I have lived in Texas for all my 81 years, and I'm very sorry to say that you are correct. Incidentally, two of the worst on the Texas SBOE were defeated in their own Republican primary by less-conservative Republicans. That just means they are working fast and hard to do all the damage they can before the general election and they themselves are history. Allen
From: Peter on 4 Jul 2010 14:57 "Savageduck" <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in > That is probably true for most family groups with young children and > grandchildren. An easy way to entertain the kids, and probably good value > for that purpose. I can appreciate that. However, regardless of some of > the value Disney provided through some of their great nature productions, > they distort and simplify much of our history. It is a personal matter, > the corporate level of the operation and the artificiality of it all I > (and I know I am a minority here) believe there are better options than > that fantasy once those kids have a degree of individual thought to > generate. For all of us children there must come a time when we must realize Santa Clause is only an allegorical figure. > > Sure that happened throughout our country. Gold miners in Yellowstone, > timber in Sequoia, the Redwoods and Tsongas National Forest, Mormon > intrusion in Utah, extermination and relocation of native tribes > everywhere. We exploited everything, and would have left it all barren > wasteland, for wealth. > We had a few dedicated pioneers such as John Muir who fought to save that > wilderness for the nation. It took political will from individuals such as > Teddy Rooseveldt to truly protect them. > > Yes the railroad barons had their commercial interest in mind when they > accessed Yellowstone, Glacier, Grand Canyon, and Yosemite. but they > ultimately, whether intentionally, or not provided access to the parks for > the average U.S. citizen. > > Even today these National Parks, Forests, National Monuments, and Civil > War Battle fields are lusted after by commercial interests. Just think of > the proposed Gettysburg Disney theme park. I shudder at the thought. I can > see the Disney Yosemite, Halfdome elevator ride, and El Cap thrill dive. > Please just keep them contained in Anaheim and Orlando. Fortunately, the concept of a Gettyburgh theme park was rejected. > > The likes of the politicians such as Cheney and Palin would sell out to > those corporate entities to strip the forests, and mine and drill until > all that we had was scarred rubble. > > Excuse me my bias is showing. I need to relax. > No if you relax those greedy bastards will make our fears become reality. As well it should. there are ignorant people who buy into their BS. These are the same who deny there is global warming. And rely on Faux for their dose of fair and balanced reporting. -- Peter Just don't put those windmills where I can see them
From: Peter on 4 Jul 2010 15:03 "tony cooper" <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> wrote in message news:fevv2617m6dc47fu810lamt8nob957ef04(a)4ax.com... > On Sat, 3 Jul 2010 22:39:13 -0400, "Peter" > <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote: > > >>>> We have treated the native American people in a disgustingly shameful >>>> manner. Technically there is a lot of land that has been stolen from >>>> them, in addition to those lands we forced them to cede at the point of >>>> a >>>> gun. Now many tribes are using land claims as a lever to extract gaming >>>> rights. How sad to see the rich culture of these people so reduced. >>> >>> Indeed. "Progress". I don't know of a single piece of land discovered by >>> any nation and then occupied by them where it was much different. There >>> must be some, somewhere, and I'd like to hear about them. >>> >>Me neither, but it doesn't make it right. Major problems arise we the >>ousted >>people come back to re-claim the land. Maybe I'm getting too idealistic as >>I >>get older. > > Where you live was probably, at one time, wrested away from a native > American. Going to give it back? > Actually where I live was purchased in a legitimate trade, not at the point of a gun. I researched this issue before we moved to the area in 1970. But as to you question, I don't really pretend to know the answer. Morally those who live on Indian territory have a right to recover from their immediate seller. And so on down the daisy chain. If you purchase stolen goods do you have a right to keep them. -- Peter
From: Peter on 4 Jul 2010 15:07
"Allen" <allent(a)austin.rr.com> wrote in message news:49qdnZIHsZ7HA63RnZ2dnUVZ_gmdnZ2d(a)giganews.com... > Peter wrote: >> "John McWilliams" <jpmcw(a)comcast.net> wrote in message >> news:i0or2n$r16$2(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>> Peter wrote: >>>> "Allen" <allent(a)austin.rr.com> wrote in message >>>> news:RPydnUmwG-5LO7LRnZ2dnUVZ_g6dnZ2d(a)giganews.com... >>>>> Savageduck wrote: >>>>> <snip> >>>>>> Been there, done that. That was a long time ago, I didn't buy the >>>>>> Tee-shirt, or the ears. That was only because an overseas visitor >>>>>> wanted the experience. From my point of view, money wasted, a perfect >>>>>> example of ugly American artificiality and corporate greed. I am not >>>>>> impressed with, and I don't like what Disneyland/World is selling. >>>>>> Give me the National Parks, Yosemite, Zion, Sequoia-Kings Canyon, the >>>>>> Redwoods, Adirondacks, Death Valley, or Big Sur for real "fun" and >>>>>> America. >>>>>> ...but that is not you is it? >>>>>> >>>>> <snip> >>>>> Sounds like my son. He went to Disneyland when he was seven years old. >>>>> Looked around at a lot of things. When he left he said to his mother >>>>> "Everything in there is plastic". That's the only thing he said about >>>>> it. A few days later we went to Yosemite and then the Grand Canyon, >>>>> both of which he talked about at length (very favorably). I share your >>>>> sentiments. >>>> >>>> >>>> As do my wife and I. the last time we went, my wife commented that she >>>> would have liked to hear just one person say "F--- you." I will not >>>> discuss going on Space Mountain stoned. >>> >>> My wife never liked to hear that. What a wonderful wife you have! >> >> Thank you. >> Like me she grew up as a street from NYC and both of us call thigs pretty >> much as we see them. She always had a sense of humor. (she once shot a >> cop with a water pistol.) though the dumbest thing she ever did as stick >> with me all these years. When we met she was just 15. this year will be >> our 50th anniversy. We plan to go the the Panama Canal to celebrate. >> >> >> thanks. -- Peter |