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From: John McWilliams on 3 Jul 2010 22:42 Peter wrote: > "John McWilliams" <jpmcw(a)comcast.net> wrote in message > news:i0or2n$r16$2(a)news.eternal-september.org... >> Peter wrote: >>> "Allen" <allent(a)austin.rr.com> wrote in message >>> news:RPydnUmwG-5LO7LRnZ2dnUVZ_g6dnZ2d(a)giganews.com... >>>> Savageduck wrote: >>>> <snip> >>>>> Been there, done that. That was a long time ago, I didn't buy the >>>>> Tee-shirt, or the ears. That was only because an overseas visitor >>>>> wanted the experience. From my point of view, money wasted, a >>>>> perfect example of ugly American artificiality and corporate greed. >>>>> I am not impressed with, and I don't like what Disneyland/World is >>>>> selling. >>>>> Give me the National Parks, Yosemite, Zion, Sequoia-Kings Canyon, >>>>> the Redwoods, Adirondacks, Death Valley, or Big Sur for real "fun" >>>>> and America. >>>>> ...but that is not you is it? >>>>> >>>> <snip> >>>> Sounds like my son. He went to Disneyland when he was seven years >>>> old. Looked around at a lot of things. When he left he said to his >>>> mother "Everything in there is plastic". That's the only thing he >>>> said about it. A few days later we went to Yosemite and then the >>>> Grand Canyon, both of which he talked about at length (very >>>> favorably). I share your sentiments. >>> >>> >>> As do my wife and I. the last time we went, my wife commented that >>> she would have liked to hear just one person say "F--- you." I will >>> not discuss going on Space Mountain stoned. >> >> My wife never liked to hear that. What a wonderful wife you have! > > Thank you. > Like me she grew up as a street from NYC and both of us call thigs > pretty much as we see them. She always had a sense of humor. (she once > shot a cop with a water pistol.) though the dumbest thing she ever did > as stick with me all these years. When we met she was just 15. this year > will be our 50th anniversy. We plan to go the the Panama Canal to > celebrate. Good on ya'! Both! Hope your trip is great, and be sure to take a cell phone camera, a compact, a DSLR, and a large format film camera, but don't get weighed down..... -- John McWilliams
From: Peter on 3 Jul 2010 22:39 "John McWilliams" <jpmcw(a)comcast.net> wrote in message news:i0or72$r16$3(a)news.eternal-september.org... > Peter wrote: >> "tony cooper" <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> wrote in message >> news:gckv26hcpmdqpkcmjc21a8e6rg586ov0in(a)4ax.com... >>> On Sat, 3 Jul 2010 12:59:54 -0700, Savageduck >>> <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Been there, done that. That was a long time ago, I didn't buy the >>>> Tee-shirt, or the ears. That was only because an overseas visitor >>>> wanted the experience. From my point of view, money wasted, a perfect >>>> example of ugly American artificiality and corporate greed. I am not >>>> impressed with, and I don't like what Disneyland/World is selling. >>>> Give me the National Parks, Yosemite, Zion, Sequoia-Kings Canyon, the >>>> Redwoods, Adirondacks, Death Valley, or Big Sur for real "fun" and >>>> America. >>>> ...but that is not you is it? >>> >>> I have only been to Disney World (Orlando's park) with small children >>> in tow. I didn't pay any attention to the plasticity or the >>> artificialness of the place because I was watching the absolute, pure >>> joy of the kids. What you call "corporate greed" is what I call an >>> exchange of value for money. Every time I've been to Disney with the >>> kids the value of the good time they had was more than the money I >>> exchanged for the day. >>> >>> In most of the national parks you mention, corporate greed displaced >>> the native peoples who originally inhabited that area. We have >>> Yosemite because greedy gold miners discovered the area, the railroad >>> barons opened up travel to that area, and California troops (the >>> Mariposa Battalion) cleaned out the Miwoks, the Chowchillas, and the >>> Ahwahneechee Indians. >>> >>> It was a Savage - James Savage - who led the Mariposa Battalion. He >>> was a gold miner who wanted the Indians out because they bothered his >>> greedy plans to take gold from the Merced River. >>> >> >> >> We have treated the native American people in a disgustingly shameful >> manner. Technically there is a lot of land that has been stolen from >> them, in addition to those lands we forced them to cede at the point of a >> gun. Now many tribes are using land claims as a lever to extract gaming >> rights. How sad to see the rich culture of these people so reduced. > > Indeed. "Progress". I don't know of a single piece of land discovered by > any nation and then occupied by them where it was much different. There > must be some, somewhere, and I'd like to hear about them. > Me neither, but it doesn't make it right. Major problems arise we the ousted people come back to re-claim the land. Maybe I'm getting too idealistic as I get older. -- Peter
From: Peter on 3 Jul 2010 22:47 "John McWilliams" <jpmcw(a)comcast.net> wrote in message news:i0osdq$t5b$2(a)news.eternal-september.org... > Peter wrote: >> "John McWilliams" <jpmcw(a)comcast.net> wrote in message >> news:i0or2n$r16$2(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>> Peter wrote: >>>> "Allen" <allent(a)austin.rr.com> wrote in message >>>> news:RPydnUmwG-5LO7LRnZ2dnUVZ_g6dnZ2d(a)giganews.com... >>>>> Savageduck wrote: >>>>> <snip> >>>>>> Been there, done that. That was a long time ago, I didn't buy the >>>>>> Tee-shirt, or the ears. That was only because an overseas visitor >>>>>> wanted the experience. From my point of view, money wasted, a perfect >>>>>> example of ugly American artificiality and corporate greed. I am not >>>>>> impressed with, and I don't like what Disneyland/World is selling. >>>>>> Give me the National Parks, Yosemite, Zion, Sequoia-Kings Canyon, the >>>>>> Redwoods, Adirondacks, Death Valley, or Big Sur for real "fun" and >>>>>> America. >>>>>> ...but that is not you is it? >>>>>> >>>>> <snip> >>>>> Sounds like my son. He went to Disneyland when he was seven years old. >>>>> Looked around at a lot of things. When he left he said to his mother >>>>> "Everything in there is plastic". That's the only thing he said about >>>>> it. A few days later we went to Yosemite and then the Grand Canyon, >>>>> both of which he talked about at length (very favorably). I share your >>>>> sentiments. >>>> >>>> >>>> As do my wife and I. the last time we went, my wife commented that she >>>> would have liked to hear just one person say "F--- you." I will not >>>> discuss going on Space Mountain stoned. >>> >>> My wife never liked to hear that. What a wonderful wife you have! >> >> Thank you. >> Like me she grew up as a street from NYC and both of us call thigs pretty >> much as we see them. She always had a sense of humor. (she once shot a >> cop with a water pistol.) though the dumbest thing she ever did as stick >> with me all these years. When we met she was just 15. this year will be >> our 50th anniversy. We plan to go the the Panama Canal to celebrate. > > Good on ya'! Both! > Hope your trip is great, and be sure to take a cell phone camera, a > compact, a DSLR, and a large format film camera, but don't get weighed > down..... Won't be until January. We will take two DSLRs and three lenses. I learned from our Alaska trip last year, that these trips are not about photography. -- Peter
From: Savageduck on 3 Jul 2010 23:20 On 2010-07-03 17:37:32 -0700, tony cooper <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> said: > On Sat, 3 Jul 2010 12:59:54 -0700, Savageduck > <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote: > >> Been there, done that. That was a long time ago, I didn't buy the >> Tee-shirt, or the ears. That was only because an overseas visitor >> wanted the experience. From my point of view, money wasted, a perfect >> example of ugly American artificiality and corporate greed. I am not >> impressed with, and I don't like what Disneyland/World is selling. >> Give me the National Parks, Yosemite, Zion, Sequoia-Kings Canyon, the >> Redwoods, Adirondacks, Death Valley, or Big Sur for real "fun" and >> America. >> ...but that is not you is it? > > I have only been to Disney World (Orlando's park) with small children > in tow. I didn't pay any attention to the plasticity or the > artificialness of the place because I was watching the absolute, pure > joy of the kids. I cannot deny the appeal of Disneyland/World for young children, and that is certainly a wonderful thing. > What you call "corporate greed" is what I call an > exchange of value for money. Every time I've been to Disney with the > kids the value of the good time they had was more than the money I > exchanged for the day. That is probably true for most family groups with young children and grandchildren. An easy way to entertain the kids, and probably good value for that purpose. I can appreciate that. However, regardless of some of the value Disney provided through some of their great nature productions, they distort and simplify much of our history. It is a personal matter, the corporate level of the operation and the artificiality of it all I (and I know I am a minority here) believe there are better options than that fantasy once those kids have a degree of individual thought to generate. > > In most of the national parks you mention, corporate greed displaced > the native peoples who originally inhabited that area. We have > Yosemite because greedy gold miners discovered the area, the railroad > barons opened up travel to that area, and California troops (the > Mariposa Battalion) cleaned out the Miwoks, the Chowchillas, and the > Ahwahneechee Indians. > > It was a Savage - James Savage - who led the Mariposa Battalion. He > was a gold miner who wanted the Indians out because they bothered his > greedy plans to take gold from the Merced River. Sure that happened throughout our country. Gold miners in Yellowstone, timber in Sequoia, the Redwoods and Tsongas National Forest, Mormon intrusion in Utah, extermination and relocation of native tribes everywhere. We exploited everything, and would have left it all barren wasteland, for wealth. We had a few dedicated pioneers such as John Muir who fought to save that wilderness for the nation. It took political will from individuals such as Teddy Rooseveldt to truly protect them. Yes the railroad barons had their commercial interest in mind when they accessed Yellowstone, Glacier, Grand Canyon, and Yosemite. but they ultimately, whether intentionally, or not provided access to the parks for the average U.S. citizen. Even today these National Parks, Forests, National Monuments, and Civil War Battle fields are lusted after by commercial interests. Just think of the proposed Gettysburg Disney theme park. I shudder at the thought. I can see the Disney Yosemite, Halfdome elevator ride, and El Cap thrill dive. Please just keep them contained in Anaheim and Orlando. The likes of the politicians such as Cheney and Palin would sell out to those corporate entities to strip the forests, and mine and drill until all that we had was scarred rubble. Excuse me my bias is showing. I need to relax. -- Regards, Savageduck
From: tony cooper on 3 Jul 2010 23:20
On Sat, 3 Jul 2010 22:39:13 -0400, "Peter" <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote: >>> We have treated the native American people in a disgustingly shameful >>> manner. Technically there is a lot of land that has been stolen from >>> them, in addition to those lands we forced them to cede at the point of a >>> gun. Now many tribes are using land claims as a lever to extract gaming >>> rights. How sad to see the rich culture of these people so reduced. >> >> Indeed. "Progress". I don't know of a single piece of land discovered by >> any nation and then occupied by them where it was much different. There >> must be some, somewhere, and I'd like to hear about them. >> >Me neither, but it doesn't make it right. Major problems arise we the ousted >people come back to re-claim the land. Maybe I'm getting too idealistic as I >get older. Where you live was probably, at one time, wrested away from a native American. Going to give it back? -- Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida |