From: eric gisse on
Raymond Yohros wrote:

> On Jul 5, 7:51 pm, eric gisse <jowr.pi.nos...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> Raymond Yohros wrote:
>> he level of detail is incomplete
>>
>> You are guessing.
>>
>> The WMAP survey is all-sky, just at a smaller range of frequencies than
>> Planck. It is not 'incomplete' in any meaningful sense of the word.
>>
>
> that smaller range makes a very big difference!

Not as big as you'd think. I imagine we'd get to see more detail about the
tail of the 3rd acoustic peak, but that'll just refine the theories that we
have.

> the planck explorer took a long time to build because
> of having this level of detail.

Have you read about WMAP yet? The last (and first) purpose-built satellite
without much for precision was COBE.

>
>> > and that gives alot of people
>> > chance to speculate about this matters "specialy about COLD dark
>> > matter"
>>
>> The 'speculation' is the 6 parameter fit to the acoustic peak spectrum.
>>
>
> please feel free to explain what you mean?

The guesses aren't wild, and the fits are to data.

>
>>
>> > there should be alot of dark matter but what types and
>> > how is truly spread out in spacetime is the issue!
>>
>> Not a question either WMAP or Planck can answer.
>>
>
> maybe not specifically but
> oh yeah, GENERALLY

No. All they can discern is possible imprinting on the CMB.

>
> tons of the most precious data will come
> out of this baby. this data will make a
> model that will destroy any theory that
> does not fit in reality
>
> from the bb, black holes
> quasars and all the way up to galactic clusters
>
> the CBR is like the signature of creation
> it is the sound of sounds
>
> r.y

From: Raymond Yohros on
On Jul 5, 10:04 pm, eric gisse <jowr.pi.nos...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Raymond Yohros wrote:
> > On Jul 5, 7:51 pm, eric gisse <jowr.pi.nos...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Raymond Yohros wrote:
> >> he level of detail is incomplete
>
> >> You are guessing.
>
> >> The WMAP survey is all-sky, just at a smaller range of frequencies than
> >> Planck. It is not 'incomplete' in any meaningful sense of the word.
>
> > that smaller range makes a very big difference!
>
> Not as big as you'd think. I imagine we'd get to see more detail about the
> tail of the 3rd acoustic peak, but that'll just refine the theories that we
> have.
>
> > the planck explorer took a long time to build because
> > of having this level of detail.
>
> Have you read about WMAP yet? The last (and first) purpose-built satellite
> without much for precision was COBE.
>

COBE was like an 8bit picture. very cute but its main
objective was not presition.

i didn't read anything on WMAP Jet!
i am very faithful for what the planck explorer its going to say.
its probably going to be very similar.

>
>
> >> > and that gives alot of people
> >> > chance to speculate about this matters "specialy about COLD dark
> >> > matter"
>
> >> The 'speculation' is the 6 parameter fit to the acoustic peak spectrum..
>
> > please feel free to explain what you mean?
>
> The guesses aren't wild, and the fits are to data.
>

still dont understand what you mean?

>
>
> >> > there should be alot of dark matter but what types and
> >> > how is truly spread out in spacetime is the issue!
>
> >> Not a question either WMAP or Planck can answer.
>
> > maybe not specifically but
> > oh yeah, GENERALLY
>
> No. All they can discern is possible imprinting on the CMB.
>

so, is not that significant?
just like a seed can make up a tree
spacetime began with the big bang

>
> > tons of the most precious data will come
> > out of this baby. this data will make a
> > model that will destroy any theory that
> > does not fit in reality
>
> > from the bb, black holes
> > quasars and all the way up to galactic clusters
>
> > the CBR is like the signature of creation
> > it is the sound of sounds
>
> > r.y

From: eric gisse on
Raymond Yohros wrote:

> On Jul 5, 10:04 pm, eric gisse <jowr.pi.nos...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> Raymond Yohros wrote:
>> > On Jul 5, 7:51 pm, eric gisse <jowr.pi.nos...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> Raymond Yohros wrote:
>> >> he level of detail is incomplete
>>
>> >> You are guessing.
>>
>> >> The WMAP survey is all-sky, just at a smaller range of frequencies
>> >> than Planck. It is not 'incomplete' in any meaningful sense of the
>> >> word.
>>
>> > that smaller range makes a very big difference!
>>
>> Not as big as you'd think. I imagine we'd get to see more detail about
>> the tail of the 3rd acoustic peak, but that'll just refine the theories
>> that we have.
>>
>> > the planck explorer took a long time to build because
>> > of having this level of detail.
>>
>> Have you read about WMAP yet? The last (and first) purpose-built
>> satellite without much for precision was COBE.
>>
>
> COBE was like an 8bit picture. very cute but its main
> objective was not presition.
>
> i didn't read anything on WMAP Jet!

Thus rendering your opinion on the subject completely irrelevant.

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From: Raymond Yohros on
On Jul 5, 9:56 pm, "J. Clarke" <jclarke.use...(a)cox.net> wrote:
> > well you will probably jump on me on this
> > one but i think that they can be BH
> > spinning out of existence?
>
> Why would they not be detected?  
> Hint--black holes have side effects.

yes that is what i think. side effects in spacetime.

r.y
From: Raymond Yohros on
On Jul 6, 12:34 am, eric gisse <jowr.pi.nos...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Raymond Yohros wrote:
> > On Jul 5, 10:04 pm, eric gisse <jowr.pi.nos...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Raymond Yohros wrote:
> >> > On Jul 5, 7:51 pm, eric gisse <jowr.pi.nos...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> Raymond Yohros wrote:
> >> >> he level of detail is incomplete
>
> >> >> You are guessing.
>
> >> >> The WMAP survey is all-sky, just at a smaller range of frequencies
> >> >> than Planck. It is not 'incomplete' in any meaningful sense of the
> >> >> word.
>
> >> > that smaller range makes a very big difference!
>
> >> Not as big as you'd think. I imagine we'd get to see more detail about
> >> the tail of the 3rd acoustic peak, but that'll just refine the theories
> >> that we have.
>
> >> > the planck explorer took a long time to build because
> >> > of having this level of detail.
>
> >> Have you read about WMAP yet? The last (and first) purpose-built
> >> satellite without much for precision was COBE.
>
> > COBE was like an 8bit picture. very cute but its main
> > objective was not presition.
>
> > i didn't read anything on WMAP Jet!
>
> Thus rendering your opinion on the subject completely irrelevant.
>

i told you i will prefere to wait for the planck explorer
that to spoil the fun by watching the preview of the WMAP.

you are very grompi

r.y