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From: Brad Guth on 15 Jun 2010 09:56 On Jun 15, 6:27 am, bert <herbertglazie...(a)msn.com> wrote: > On Jun 14, 7:56 am, bert <herbertglazie...(a)msn.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jun 14, 1:32 am, "greysky" <ftls...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > BP proved that oil is not a non renewable resource. The oil rig explosion > > > was caused when the drill head penetrated into a high pressure strata at > > > 35,000 feet, something to be honest, BP was never expecting nor thought > > > could be possible. The estimated wellhead pressure is between 25,000 and > > > 75,000 PSI. This is totally beyond any human measure to contain. A relief > > > well drilling into this strata will also fail because of this pressure. > > > There is nothing we have in our technological arsenal that will contain this > > > extensive pressure. In addition, the sea floor has fractured in other places > > > releasing secondary and tertiary oil plumes. The only way to stop this > > > disaster is to utilize a nuclear bomb to seal the drill hole, however, using > > > a nuclear bomb also has a good chance of further rupturing the high level > > > strata, and if this happens, it could literally change the makeup of the sea > > > water on a global scale. In addition, the VOC (volatile organic compounds) > > > levels of substances such as benzene, hydrogen sulfide, methalyne chloride, > > > etc. entering the atmosphere is even now hundreds of times larger than > > > maximum safe levels over the Gulf- for example, methalyne chloride levels > > > measured in the gulf is now 3,500 ppm when the safe level is between 0 and > > > 35 ppm. And this is now. If they fracture the superdome and release all the > > > gulf oil not only will the oceans die, but slowly toxify the atmosphere. And > > > there is nothing we can do about it. > > > > This is a disaster that is eventually going to be on the same level as the > > > Siberian Traps and will eventually cause mass extinctions of most of the > > > life on this planet... Today, the people of the Gulf states are being placed > > > in danger as they breath these poisons, tomorrow it will be all of us.. But, > > > for the immediate effects, expect to see large regions of the ocean to die > > > as the oxygen levels in the water fall too low to support life. Next, the > > > airborne toxins drifting over the gulf states will poison millions of > > > people - expect the gulf and the states immediately surrounding it to become > > > a wasteland. Then when the levels of methane and other flammable gasses get > > > high enough over the gulf, the waters will literally catch on fire.. This > > > poison fire will be carried on the currents until the entire eastern > > > seaboard is burning, destroying the states along the east coast. Then the > > > plumes will cross the Atlantic, and eventually toxify most of the water on > > > the planet. As the pressure in the superdome lowers, there will also be > > > earthquakes as the ocean floor caves in, squishing out more oil and VOC into > > > the environment. > > > > I will leave it to you to guess how our world governments will deal with the > > > disaster... or how it will effect you. Recently, I watched the DVD, 'The > > > Road". It literally was the most depressing video I've seen in a long time. > > > Now, the film makers left the nature and cause of the societal collapse as a > > > mystery (although in the book it is alluded to peak oil), and I did wonder > > > what could possibly make our environment turn so depressingly, hopelessly, > > > hostile. Now, unfortunately, I am beginning to suspect I know the answer... > > > > G- > > > Nice post Best to think the worse and hope for the best. Are you > > right about its great pressure? WOW Than my final stopping the leak > > would only create another "BLOW OUT" I posted that possibility. > > Skiming very effectively is at this spacetime the only way to go. > > Kevin Coster seems to have an invention that seperates water and oil. > > Hmmm An explosion works for oil on fire. It would only make matters > > worse. If those casings go down 35,000 feet I find that the worse > > news so far. It has to have a lot of heat down there.and could be > > causing the great pressure. I did post this as relating to a pressure > > cooker. Still have the worry ocean floor might get covered with tar > > balls if they get negative bouyancy. TreBert- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > TV shows them throwing "sand" on oil Hmmm That could give tar balls > negative bouyancy. Get the picture. Skimming most effectively only > way to go untill other pipes drilled to releave the great pressure. > TreBert Would like to know if drilling is going through hard rock > and the time it will take to drill down 32,000 feet ?? TreBert At 100 foot per day, that's only 320 days. Where the hell did that 32,000 feet come from? ~ BG
From: bert on 15 Jun 2010 12:39 On Jun 15, 9:56 am, Brad Guth <bradg...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Jun 15, 6:27 am, bert <herbertglazie...(a)msn.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jun 14, 7:56 am, bert <herbertglazie...(a)msn.com> wrote: > > > > On Jun 14, 1:32 am, "greysky" <ftls...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > BP proved that oil is not a non renewable resource. The oil rig explosion > > > > was caused when the drill head penetrated into a high pressure strata at > > > > 35,000 feet, something to be honest, BP was never expecting nor thought > > > > could be possible. The estimated wellhead pressure is between 25,000 and > > > > 75,000 PSI. This is totally beyond any human measure to contain. A relief > > > > well drilling into this strata will also fail because of this pressure. > > > > There is nothing we have in our technological arsenal that will contain this > > > > extensive pressure. In addition, the sea floor has fractured in other places > > > > releasing secondary and tertiary oil plumes. The only way to stop this > > > > disaster is to utilize a nuclear bomb to seal the drill hole, however, using > > > > a nuclear bomb also has a good chance of further rupturing the high level > > > > strata, and if this happens, it could literally change the makeup of the sea > > > > water on a global scale. In addition, the VOC (volatile organic compounds) > > > > levels of substances such as benzene, hydrogen sulfide, methalyne chloride, > > > > etc. entering the atmosphere is even now hundreds of times larger than > > > > maximum safe levels over the Gulf- for example, methalyne chloride levels > > > > measured in the gulf is now 3,500 ppm when the safe level is between 0 and > > > > 35 ppm. And this is now. If they fracture the superdome and release all the > > > > gulf oil not only will the oceans die, but slowly toxify the atmosphere. And > > > > there is nothing we can do about it. > > > > > This is a disaster that is eventually going to be on the same level as the > > > > Siberian Traps and will eventually cause mass extinctions of most of the > > > > life on this planet... Today, the people of the Gulf states are being placed > > > > in danger as they breath these poisons, tomorrow it will be all of us. But, > > > > for the immediate effects, expect to see large regions of the ocean to die > > > > as the oxygen levels in the water fall too low to support life. Next, the > > > > airborne toxins drifting over the gulf states will poison millions of > > > > people - expect the gulf and the states immediately surrounding it to become > > > > a wasteland. Then when the levels of methane and other flammable gasses get > > > > high enough over the gulf, the waters will literally catch on fire. This > > > > poison fire will be carried on the currents until the entire eastern > > > > seaboard is burning, destroying the states along the east coast. Then the > > > > plumes will cross the Atlantic, and eventually toxify most of the water on > > > > the planet. As the pressure in the superdome lowers, there will also be > > > > earthquakes as the ocean floor caves in, squishing out more oil and VOC into > > > > the environment. > > > > > I will leave it to you to guess how our world governments will deal with the > > > > disaster... or how it will effect you. Recently, I watched the DVD, 'The > > > > Road". It literally was the most depressing video I've seen in a long time. > > > > Now, the film makers left the nature and cause of the societal collapse as a > > > > mystery (although in the book it is alluded to peak oil), and I did wonder > > > > what could possibly make our environment turn so depressingly, hopelessly, > > > > hostile. Now, unfortunately, I am beginning to suspect I know the answer... > > > > > G- > > > > Nice post Best to think the worse and hope for the best. Are you > > > right about its great pressure? WOW Than my final stopping the leak > > > would only create another "BLOW OUT" I posted that possibility. > > > Skiming very effectively is at this spacetime the only way to go. > > > Kevin Coster seems to have an invention that seperates water and oil. > > > Hmmm An explosion works for oil on fire. It would only make matters > > > worse. If those casings go down 35,000 feet I find that the worse > > > news so far. It has to have a lot of heat down there.and could be > > > causing the great pressure. I did post this as relating to a pressure > > > cooker. Still have the worry ocean floor might get covered with tar > > > balls if they get negative bouyancy. TreBert- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > TV shows them throwing "sand" on oil Hmmm That could give tar balls > > negative bouyancy. Get the picture. Skimming most effectively only > > way to go untill other pipes drilled to releave the great pressure. > > TreBert Would like to know if drilling is going through hard rock > > and the time it will take to drill down 32,000 feet ?? TreBert > > At 100 foot per day, that's only 320 days. > > Where the hell did that 32,000 feet come from? > > ~ BG- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Read they drilled down 32,000 feet. But if BP is the source of this informatiom ??? TreBert Also saw on tv oil floating at 40 feet under. Hmmmm
From: Brad Guth on 15 Jun 2010 13:27 On Jun 13, 10:32 pm, "greysky" <ftls...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > BP proved that oil is not a non renewable resource. The oil rig explosion > was caused when the drill head penetrated into a high pressure strata at > 35,000 feet, something to be honest, BP was never expecting nor thought > could be possible. The estimated wellhead pressure is between 25,000 and > 75,000 PSI. This is totally beyond any human measure to contain. A relief > well drilling into this strata will also fail because of this pressure. > There is nothing we have in our technological arsenal that will contain this > extensive pressure. In addition, the sea floor has fractured in other places > releasing secondary and tertiary oil plumes. The only way to stop this > disaster is to utilize a nuclear bomb to seal the drill hole, however, using > a nuclear bomb also has a good chance of further rupturing the high level > strata, and if this happens, it could literally change the makeup of the sea > water on a global scale. In addition, the VOC (volatile organic compounds) > levels of substances such as benzene, hydrogen sulfide, methalyne chloride, > etc. entering the atmosphere is even now hundreds of times larger than > maximum safe levels over the Gulf- for example, methalyne chloride levels > measured in the gulf is now 3,500 ppm when the safe level is between 0 and > 35 ppm. And this is now. If they fracture the superdome and release all the > gulf oil not only will the oceans die, but slowly toxify the atmosphere. And > there is nothing we can do about it. > > This is a disaster that is eventually going to be on the same level as the > Siberian Traps and will eventually cause mass extinctions of most of the > life on this planet... Today, the people of the Gulf states are being placed > in danger as they breath these poisons, tomorrow it will be all of us. But, > for the immediate effects, expect to see large regions of the ocean to die > as the oxygen levels in the water fall too low to support life. Next, the > airborne toxins drifting over the gulf states will poison millions of > people - expect the gulf and the states immediately surrounding it to become > a wasteland. Then when the levels of methane and other flammable gasses get > high enough over the gulf, the waters will literally catch on fire. This > poison fire will be carried on the currents until the entire eastern > seaboard is burning, destroying the states along the east coast. Then the > plumes will cross the Atlantic, and eventually toxify most of the water on > the planet. As the pressure in the superdome lowers, there will also be > earthquakes as the ocean floor caves in, squishing out more oil and VOC into > the environment. > > I will leave it to you to guess how our world governments will deal with the > disaster... or how it will effect you. Recently, I watched the DVD, 'The > Road". It literally was the most depressing video I've seen in a long time. > Now, the film makers left the nature and cause of the societal collapse as a > mystery (although in the book it is alluded to peak oil), and I did wonder > what could possibly make our environment turn so depressingly, hopelessly, > hostile. Now, unfortunately, I am beginning to suspect I know the answer... > > G- Those relief wells are actually intercepting the primary 35,000 foot well (I believe that includes 5000' of ocean depth), so their length and depth are not likely to go half as deep or long, and probably not as large of diameter. I'd doubt any technology can do 1000'/day. I'd be impressed with 10'/ hr (240'/day) If the relief/cutoff wells are going a distance of 20,000 feet at 45 degrees down through tough basalt, at 10'/hr = 2000 hours, or 84 days from start to finish if nothing wears out or goes wrong (such as another BOP blowout). Storms will obviously interfere and cause delays, so perhaps >90 days is still the best they can manage. In the mean time, there are viable options that'll collect more and or entirely seal off that dysfunctional BOP leakage. There is a great deal of well pressure (guesstimate numbers are all over the place), although at a closed-off wellhead BOP it's not likely much over 8700 psi (there's also 2200 psi worth of surrounding ocean pressure) to contend with. Perhaps worse case, that's less than 11,000 psi differential, and by some BP accounts the open wellhead is currently running at something less than 4500 psi that's available at the base or within their dysfunctional BOP. Technically this unfortunate escapement can be halted and even subsequently managed as a hydrocarbon and oily sulfur resource that's badly needed. Like other bailout fiascoes, we the public should have full ownership of this one by the time this environmental impact tragedy is over (a decade from now). http://www.horizonedocs.com/artform.php I suggested using an inflatable lead enema on a stout pipe, that could be easily forced down past those dysfunctional 18.75" BOP spool/ gate valves, and obviously the substantial (schedule 80<120) insertion pipe of <12" for placing this inflatable lead enema below those BOP valves could then be safely used to extract oil and gas. This heavy duty 12" pipe should be configured with ROV manual operated spool/gate valves, thus 100% cutting-off the leak and still giving safe access to all of that gas and oily sulfur. Optional hydraulic motor driven valve operators could be applied later. - According to William Mook, that highly experienced platform maker and their BOP manufacture have their own solutions, that have not been accessed as far as the public and our government knows. I'm certain that none of their solutions would have been cheap or with any 100% insurance of working, but none the less we should have at least heard their suggestions. "I said BP and Hyundai Heavy Industries if they wanted could have ended the spill hours after it started" "Hyundai, builder of Deepwater Horizon isn't mentioned at all." I'm not sure about any quick-fix within hours, but as of days or at least a couple of weeks should have been sufficient if a competent team effort were applied, instead of finger pointing and all the usual corporate and political PR damage-control. Obviously BP wasn't prepared for anything but another profitable turn- key well, and the sooner the better. ~ BG
From: HVAC on 15 Jun 2010 14:07 "bert" <herbertglazier79(a)msn.com> wrote in message news:eb71f1a5-1ef6-4998-8ded-ca22e950fdfc(a)r27g2000yqb.googlegroups.com... Other leaks is one of my worries. Pressure is my biggest problem,for I know how to stop leak almost imeaditly ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This is how Bert learned to use the phonics system of spelling. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QG1z-hJQ0Dg
From: Brad Guth on 16 Jun 2010 01:19
On Jun 15, 10:27 am, Brad Guth <bradg...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Jun 13, 10:32 pm, "greysky" <ftls...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > BP proved that oil is not a non renewable resource. The oil rig explosion > > was caused when the drill head penetrated into a high pressure strata at > > 35,000 feet, something to be honest, BP was never expecting nor thought > > could be possible. The estimated wellhead pressure is between 25,000 and > > 75,000 PSI. This is totally beyond any human measure to contain. A relief > > well drilling into this strata will also fail because of this pressure. > > There is nothing we have in our technological arsenal that will contain this > > extensive pressure. In addition, the sea floor has fractured in other places > > releasing secondary and tertiary oil plumes. The only way to stop this > > disaster is to utilize a nuclear bomb to seal the drill hole, however, using > > a nuclear bomb also has a good chance of further rupturing the high level > > strata, and if this happens, it could literally change the makeup of the sea > > water on a global scale. In addition, the VOC (volatile organic compounds) > > levels of substances such as benzene, hydrogen sulfide, methalyne chloride, > > etc. entering the atmosphere is even now hundreds of times larger than > > maximum safe levels over the Gulf- for example, methalyne chloride levels > > measured in the gulf is now 3,500 ppm when the safe level is between 0 and > > 35 ppm. And this is now. If they fracture the superdome and release all the > > gulf oil not only will the oceans die, but slowly toxify the atmosphere.. And > > there is nothing we can do about it. > > > This is a disaster that is eventually going to be on the same level as the > > Siberian Traps and will eventually cause mass extinctions of most of the > > life on this planet... Today, the people of the Gulf states are being placed > > in danger as they breath these poisons, tomorrow it will be all of us. But, > > for the immediate effects, expect to see large regions of the ocean to die > > as the oxygen levels in the water fall too low to support life. Next, the > > airborne toxins drifting over the gulf states will poison millions of > > people - expect the gulf and the states immediately surrounding it to become > > a wasteland. Then when the levels of methane and other flammable gasses get > > high enough over the gulf, the waters will literally catch on fire. This > > poison fire will be carried on the currents until the entire eastern > > seaboard is burning, destroying the states along the east coast. Then the > > plumes will cross the Atlantic, and eventually toxify most of the water on > > the planet. As the pressure in the superdome lowers, there will also be > > earthquakes as the ocean floor caves in, squishing out more oil and VOC into > > the environment. > > > I will leave it to you to guess how our world governments will deal with the > > disaster... or how it will effect you. Recently, I watched the DVD, 'The > > Road". It literally was the most depressing video I've seen in a long time. > > Now, the film makers left the nature and cause of the societal collapse as a > > mystery (although in the book it is alluded to peak oil), and I did wonder > > what could possibly make our environment turn so depressingly, hopelessly, > > hostile. Now, unfortunately, I am beginning to suspect I know the answer... > > > G- > > Those relief wells are actually intercepting the primary 35,000 foot > well (I believe that includes 5000' of ocean depth), so their length > and depth are not likely to go half as deep or long, and probably not > as large of diameter. > > I'd doubt any technology can do 1000'/day. I'd be impressed with 10'/ > hr (240'/day) > > If the relief/cutoff wells are going a distance of 20,000 feet at 45 > degrees down through tough basalt, at 10'/hr = 2000 hours, or 84 days > from start to finish if nothing wears out or goes wrong (such as > another BOP blowout). Storms will obviously interfere and cause > delays, so perhaps >90 days is still the best they can manage. > > In the mean time, there are viable options that'll collect more and or > entirely seal off that dysfunctional BOP leakage. > > There is a great deal of well pressure (guesstimate numbers are all > over the place), although at a closed-off wellhead BOP it's not likely > much over 8700 psi (there's also 2200 psi worth of surrounding ocean > pressure) to contend with. Perhaps worse case, that's less than > 11,000 psi differential, and by some BP accounts the open wellhead is > currently running at something less than 4500 psi that's available at > the base or within their dysfunctional BOP. > > Technically this unfortunate escapement can be halted and even > subsequently managed as a hydrocarbon and oily sulfur resource that's > badly needed. Like other bailout fiascoes, we the public should have > full ownership of this one by the time this environmental impact > tragedy is over (a decade from now). > > http://www.horizonedocs.com/artform.php > I suggested using an inflatable lead enema on a stout pipe, that > could be easily forced down past those dysfunctional 18.75" BOP spool/ > gate valves, and obviously the substantial (schedule 80<120) insertion > pipe of <12" for placing this inflatable lead enema below those BOP > valves could then be safely used to extract oil and gas. > > This heavy duty 12" pipe should be configured with ROV manual operated > spool/gate valves, thus 100% cutting-off the leak and still giving > safe access to all of that gas and oily sulfur. Optional hydraulic > motor driven valve operators could be applied later. > > - > > According to William Mook, that highly experienced platform maker and > their BOP manufacture have their own solutions, that have not been > accessed as far as the public and our government knows. I'm certain > that none of their solutions would have been cheap or with any 100% > insurance of working, but none the less we should have at least heard > their suggestions. > > "I said BP and Hyundai Heavy Industries if they wanted could have > ended the spill hours after it started" > > "Hyundai, builder of Deepwater Horizon isn't mentioned at all." > > I'm not sure about any quick-fix within hours, but as of days or at > least a couple of weeks should have been sufficient if a competent > team effort were applied, instead of finger pointing and all the usual > corporate and political PR damage-control. > > Obviously BP wasn't prepared for anything but another profitable turn- > key well, and the sooner the better. > > ~ BG It looks like there's a new Cameron BOP going down. Not sure if it's to replace the dysfunctional one or if it's for one of the relief/ cutoff wells. http://www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_internet/globalbp/globalbp_uk_english/incident_response/STAGING/local_assets/html/Boa_Deep_C_ROV_1.html ~ BP |