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From: Brad Guth on 16 Jun 2010 01:24 On Jun 14, 4:56 am, bert <herbertglazie...(a)msn.com> wrote: > On Jun 14, 1:32 am, "greysky" <ftls...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > BP proved that oil is not a non renewable resource. The oil rig explosion > > was caused when the drill head penetrated into a high pressure strata at > > 35,000 feet, something to be honest, BP was never expecting nor thought > > could be possible. The estimated wellhead pressure is between 25,000 and > > 75,000 PSI. This is totally beyond any human measure to contain. A relief > > well drilling into this strata will also fail because of this pressure. > > There is nothing we have in our technological arsenal that will contain this > > extensive pressure. In addition, the sea floor has fractured in other places > > releasing secondary and tertiary oil plumes. The only way to stop this > > disaster is to utilize a nuclear bomb to seal the drill hole, however, using > > a nuclear bomb also has a good chance of further rupturing the high level > > strata, and if this happens, it could literally change the makeup of the sea > > water on a global scale. In addition, the VOC (volatile organic compounds) > > levels of substances such as benzene, hydrogen sulfide, methalyne chloride, > > etc. entering the atmosphere is even now hundreds of times larger than > > maximum safe levels over the Gulf- for example, methalyne chloride levels > > measured in the gulf is now 3,500 ppm when the safe level is between 0 and > > 35 ppm. And this is now. If they fracture the superdome and release all the > > gulf oil not only will the oceans die, but slowly toxify the atmosphere.. And > > there is nothing we can do about it. > > > This is a disaster that is eventually going to be on the same level as the > > Siberian Traps and will eventually cause mass extinctions of most of the > > life on this planet... Today, the people of the Gulf states are being placed > > in danger as they breath these poisons, tomorrow it will be all of us. But, > > for the immediate effects, expect to see large regions of the ocean to die > > as the oxygen levels in the water fall too low to support life. Next, the > > airborne toxins drifting over the gulf states will poison millions of > > people - expect the gulf and the states immediately surrounding it to become > > a wasteland. Then when the levels of methane and other flammable gasses get > > high enough over the gulf, the waters will literally catch on fire. This > > poison fire will be carried on the currents until the entire eastern > > seaboard is burning, destroying the states along the east coast. Then the > > plumes will cross the Atlantic, and eventually toxify most of the water on > > the planet. As the pressure in the superdome lowers, there will also be > > earthquakes as the ocean floor caves in, squishing out more oil and VOC into > > the environment. > > > I will leave it to you to guess how our world governments will deal with the > > disaster... or how it will effect you. Recently, I watched the DVD, 'The > > Road". It literally was the most depressing video I've seen in a long time. > > Now, the film makers left the nature and cause of the societal collapse as a > > mystery (although in the book it is alluded to peak oil), and I did wonder > > what could possibly make our environment turn so depressingly, hopelessly, > > hostile. Now, unfortunately, I am beginning to suspect I know the answer... > > > G- > > Nice post Best to think the worse and hope for the best. Are you > right about its great pressure? WOW Than my final stopping the leak > would only create another "BLOW OUT" I posted that possibility. > Skiming very effectively is at this spacetime the only way to go. > Kevin Coster seems to have an invention that seperates water and oil. > Hmmm An explosion works for oil on fire. It would only make matters > worse. If those casings go down 35,000 feet I find that the worse > news so far. It has to have a lot of heat down there.and could be > causing the great pressure. I did post this as relating to a pressure > cooker. Still have the worry ocean floor might get covered with tar > balls if they get negative bouyancy. TreBert Crimping off the main wellhead riser seems easier. Using my lead enema on a pipe seems perfectly doable. Replacing the BOP would be ideal. It looks like there's a new Cameron BOP going down. Not sure if it's to replace the dysfunctional one or if it's for one of the relief/ cutoff wells. http://www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_internet/globalbp/globalbp_uk_english/incident_response/STAGING/local_assets/html/Boa_Deep_C_ROV_1.html ~ BP
From: John Polasek on 16 Jun 2010 11:25 On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 22:32:21 -0700, "greysky" <ftlsite(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >BP proved that oil is not a non renewable resource. The oil rig explosion >was caused when the drill head penetrated into a high pressure strata at >35,000 feet, something to be honest, BP was never expecting nor thought >could be possible. The estimated wellhead pressure is between 25,000 and >75,000 PSI. This is totally beyond any human measure to contain. A relief >well drilling into this strata will also fail because of this pressure. The way I see the oil belching out of a pipe of unknown diameter, say 10 inches, I would estimate the pressure *differential* as no more than 100 psi or at least not 25,000 psi. Tragically, there is no information about the size of the exit hole or its shape. Even the idea of putting a topcap of, say 6 feet (?) in diameter, (3900 sq in) is poorly thought out as it would require a weight in excess of 194 tons to hold back 100 psi. Again, it is tragic that figures are not forthcoming so that engineers could make specific suggestions. As it is, this efflux is probably destined to run on for months. It is little comfort that our Obama has promised that every speck will be cleaned up and paid for by British Petroleum. John Polasek >
From: Brad Guth on 16 Jun 2010 15:41 On Jun 15, 9:39 am, bert <herbertglazie...(a)msn.com> wrote: > On Jun 15, 9:56 am, Brad Guth <bradg...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jun 15, 6:27 am, bert <herbertglazie...(a)msn.com> wrote: > > > > On Jun 14, 7:56 am, bert <herbertglazie...(a)msn.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jun 14, 1:32 am, "greysky" <ftls...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > BP proved that oil is not a non renewable resource. The oil rig explosion > > > > > was caused when the drill head penetrated into a high pressure strata at > > > > > 35,000 feet, something to be honest, BP was never expecting nor thought > > > > > could be possible. The estimated wellhead pressure is between 25,000 and > > > > > 75,000 PSI. This is totally beyond any human measure to contain. A relief > > > > > well drilling into this strata will also fail because of this pressure. > > > > > There is nothing we have in our technological arsenal that will contain this > > > > > extensive pressure. In addition, the sea floor has fractured in other places > > > > > releasing secondary and tertiary oil plumes. The only way to stop this > > > > > disaster is to utilize a nuclear bomb to seal the drill hole, however, using > > > > > a nuclear bomb also has a good chance of further rupturing the high level > > > > > strata, and if this happens, it could literally change the makeup of the sea > > > > > water on a global scale. In addition, the VOC (volatile organic compounds) > > > > > levels of substances such as benzene, hydrogen sulfide, methalyne chloride, > > > > > etc. entering the atmosphere is even now hundreds of times larger than > > > > > maximum safe levels over the Gulf- for example, methalyne chloride levels > > > > > measured in the gulf is now 3,500 ppm when the safe level is between 0 and > > > > > 35 ppm. And this is now. If they fracture the superdome and release all the > > > > > gulf oil not only will the oceans die, but slowly toxify the atmosphere. And > > > > > there is nothing we can do about it. > > > > > > This is a disaster that is eventually going to be on the same level as the > > > > > Siberian Traps and will eventually cause mass extinctions of most of the > > > > > life on this planet... Today, the people of the Gulf states are being placed > > > > > in danger as they breath these poisons, tomorrow it will be all of us. But, > > > > > for the immediate effects, expect to see large regions of the ocean to die > > > > > as the oxygen levels in the water fall too low to support life. Next, the > > > > > airborne toxins drifting over the gulf states will poison millions of > > > > > people - expect the gulf and the states immediately surrounding it to become > > > > > a wasteland. Then when the levels of methane and other flammable gasses get > > > > > high enough over the gulf, the waters will literally catch on fire. This > > > > > poison fire will be carried on the currents until the entire eastern > > > > > seaboard is burning, destroying the states along the east coast. Then the > > > > > plumes will cross the Atlantic, and eventually toxify most of the water on > > > > > the planet. As the pressure in the superdome lowers, there will also be > > > > > earthquakes as the ocean floor caves in, squishing out more oil and VOC into > > > > > the environment. > > > > > > I will leave it to you to guess how our world governments will deal with the > > > > > disaster... or how it will effect you. Recently, I watched the DVD, 'The > > > > > Road". It literally was the most depressing video I've seen in a long time. > > > > > Now, the film makers left the nature and cause of the societal collapse as a > > > > > mystery (although in the book it is alluded to peak oil), and I did wonder > > > > > what could possibly make our environment turn so depressingly, hopelessly, > > > > > hostile. Now, unfortunately, I am beginning to suspect I know the answer... > > > > > > G- > > > > > Nice post Best to think the worse and hope for the best. Are you > > > > right about its great pressure? WOW Than my final stopping the leak > > > > would only create another "BLOW OUT" I posted that possibility. > > > > Skiming very effectively is at this spacetime the only way to go. > > > > Kevin Coster seems to have an invention that seperates water and oil. > > > > Hmmm An explosion works for oil on fire. It would only make matters > > > > worse. If those casings go down 35,000 feet I find that the worse > > > > news so far. It has to have a lot of heat down there.and could be > > > > causing the great pressure. I did post this as relating to a pressure > > > > cooker. Still have the worry ocean floor might get covered with tar > > > > balls if they get negative bouyancy. TreBert- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > TV shows them throwing "sand" on oil Hmmm That could give tar balls > > > negative bouyancy. Get the picture. Skimming most effectively only > > > way to go untill other pipes drilled to releave the great pressure. > > > TreBert Would like to know if drilling is going through hard rock > > > and the time it will take to drill down 32,000 feet ?? TreBert > > > At 100 foot per day, that's only 320 days. > > > Where the hell did that 32,000 feet come from? > > > ~ BG- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > Read they drilled down 32,000 feet. But if BP is the source of this > informatiom ??? TreBert Also saw on tv oil floating at 40 feet > under. Hmmmm BPs need-to-know information is simply not reliable, although it's all too little to late anyway. They could have been deeper and this operating well out of spec. ~ BG
From: bert on 20 Jun 2010 19:24 On Jun 15, 2:07 pm, "HVAC" <mr.h...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > "bert" <herbertglazie...(a)msn.com> wrote in message > > news:eb71f1a5-1ef6-4998-8ded-ca22e950fdfc(a)r27g2000yqb.googlegroups.com... > Other leaks is one of my worries. Pressure is my biggest problem,for I > know how to stop leak almost imeaditly > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > This is how Bert learned to use the phonics system of spelling. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QG1z-hJQ0Dg Bad spelling and grammar does not mean I'm bad in the sciences. Also very good at word meanings. Even add my oun meanings and they fit. Use the rest of this post telling that more and more Florida beaches have tar balls. I predict Tampa,Clearwater,and Bradenton beaches will be hit by August 15th Just in time to be hit by first hurricane. TreBert
From: Brad Guth on 20 Jun 2010 21:34
On Jun 20, 4:24 pm, bert <herbertglazie...(a)msn.com> wrote: > On Jun 15, 2:07 pm, "HVAC" <mr.h...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > "bert" <herbertglazie...(a)msn.com> wrote in message > > >news:eb71f1a5-1ef6-4998-8ded-ca22e950fdfc(a)r27g2000yqb.googlegroups.com.... > > Other leaks is one of my worries. Pressure is my biggest problem,for I > > know how to stop leak almost imeaditly > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > This is how Bert learned to use the phonics system of spelling. > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QG1z-hJQ0Dg > > Bad spelling and grammar does not mean I'm bad in the sciences. Also > very good at word meanings. Even add my oun meanings and they fit. > Use the rest of this post telling that more and more Florida beaches > have tar balls. I predict Tampa,Clearwater,and Bradenton beaches will > be hit by August 15th Just in time to be hit by first hurricane. > TreBert And those pesky lightening strikes just to make everything a little more interesting. Gee whiz, what could possibly go wrong? ~ BG |