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From: greysky on 14 Jun 2010 01:32
BP proved that oil is not a non renewable resource. The oil rig explosion
was caused when the drill head penetrated into a high pressure strata at
35,000 feet, something to be honest, BP was never expecting nor thought
could be possible. The estimated wellhead pressure is between 25,000 and
75,000 PSI. This is totally beyond any human measure to contain. A relief
well drilling into this strata will also fail because of this pressure.
There is nothing we have in our technological arsenal that will contain this
extensive pressure. In addition, the sea floor has fractured in other places
releasing secondary and tertiary oil plumes. The only way to stop this
disaster is to utilize a nuclear bomb to seal the drill hole, however, using
a nuclear bomb also has a good chance of further rupturing the high level
strata, and if this happens, it could literally change the makeup of the sea
water on a global scale. In addition, the VOC (volatile organic compounds)
levels of substances such as benzene, hydrogen sulfide, methalyne chloride,
etc. entering the atmosphere is even now hundreds of times larger than
maximum safe levels over the Gulf- for example, methalyne chloride levels
measured in the gulf is now 3,500 ppm when the safe level is between 0 and
35 ppm. And this is now. If they fracture the superdome and release all the
gulf oil not only will the oceans die, but slowly toxify the atmosphere. And
there is nothing we can do about it.

This is a disaster that is eventually going to be on the same level as the
Siberian Traps and will eventually cause mass extinctions of most of the
life on this planet... Today, the people of the Gulf states are being placed
in danger as they breath these poisons, tomorrow it will be all of us. But,
for the immediate effects, expect to see large regions of the ocean to die
as the oxygen levels in the water fall too low to support life. Next, the
airborne toxins drifting over the gulf states will poison millions of
people - expect the gulf and the states immediately surrounding it to become
a wasteland. Then when the levels of methane and other flammable gasses get
high enough over the gulf, the waters will literally catch on fire. This
poison fire will be carried on the currents until the entire eastern
seaboard is burning, destroying the states along the east coast. Then the
plumes will cross the Atlantic, and eventually toxify most of the water on
the planet. As the pressure in the superdome lowers, there will also be
earthquakes as the ocean floor caves in, squishing out more oil and VOC into
the environment.

I will leave it to you to guess how our world governments will deal with the
disaster... or how it will effect you. Recently, I watched the DVD, 'The
Road". It literally was the most depressing video I've seen in a long time.
Now, the film makers left the nature and cause of the societal collapse as a
mystery (although in the book it is alluded to peak oil), and I did wonder
what could possibly make our environment turn so depressingly, hopelessly,
hostile. Now, unfortunately, I am beginning to suspect I know the answer...

G-



From: bert on 14 Jun 2010 07:56
On Jun 14, 1:32 am, "greysky" <ftls...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
> BP proved that oil is not a non renewable resource. The oil  rig explosion
> was caused when the drill head penetrated into a high pressure strata  at
> 35,000 feet, something to be honest, BP was never expecting nor thought
> could be possible. The estimated wellhead pressure is between 25,000 and
> 75,000 PSI. This is totally beyond any human measure to contain. A relief
> well drilling into this strata will also fail because of this pressure.
> There is nothing we have in our technological arsenal that will contain this
> extensive pressure. In addition, the sea floor has fractured in other places
> releasing secondary and tertiary oil plumes. The only way to stop this
> disaster is to utilize a nuclear bomb to seal the drill hole, however, using
> a nuclear bomb also has a good chance of further rupturing the high level
> strata, and if this happens, it could literally change the makeup of the sea
> water on a global scale. In addition, the VOC (volatile organic compounds)
> levels of substances such as benzene, hydrogen sulfide, methalyne chloride,
> etc. entering the atmosphere is even now hundreds of times larger than
> maximum safe levels over the Gulf- for example, methalyne chloride levels
> measured in the gulf is now 3,500 ppm  when the safe level is between  0 and
> 35 ppm. And this is now. If they fracture the superdome and release all the
> gulf oil not only will the oceans die, but slowly toxify the atmosphere. And
> there is nothing we can do about it.
>
> This is a disaster that is eventually going to be on the same level as the
> Siberian Traps and will eventually cause mass extinctions of most of the
> life on this planet... Today, the people of the Gulf states are being placed
> in danger as they breath these poisons, tomorrow it will be all of us. But,
> for the immediate effects, expect to see large regions of the ocean to die
> as the oxygen levels in the water fall too low to support life. Next, the
> airborne toxins drifting over the gulf states will poison millions of
> people - expect the gulf and the states immediately surrounding it to become
> a wasteland. Then when the levels of methane and other flammable gasses get
> high enough  over the gulf, the waters will literally catch on fire. This
> poison fire will be carried on the currents until the entire eastern
> seaboard is burning, destroying the states along the east coast. Then the
> plumes will cross the Atlantic, and eventually toxify most of the water on
> the planet. As the pressure in the superdome lowers, there will also be
> earthquakes as the ocean floor caves in, squishing out more oil and VOC into
> the environment.
>
> I will leave it to you to guess how our world governments will deal with the
> disaster... or how it will effect you. Recently, I watched the DVD, 'The
> Road". It literally was the most depressing video I've seen in a long time.
> Now, the film makers left the nature and cause of the societal collapse as a
> mystery (although in the book it is alluded to peak oil), and I did wonder
> what could possibly make our environment turn so depressingly, hopelessly,
> hostile. Now, unfortunately, I am beginning to suspect I know the answer....
>
> G-

Nice post Best to think the worse and hope for the best. Are you
right about its great pressure? WOW Than my final stopping the leak
would only create another "BLOW OUT" I posted that possibility.
Skiming very effectively is at this spacetime the only way to go.
Kevin Coster seems to have an invention that seperates water and oil.
Hmmm An explosion works for oil on fire. It would only make matters
worse. If those casings go down 35,000 feet I find that the worse
news so far. It has to have a lot of heat down there.and could be
causing the great pressure. I did post this as relating to a pressure
cooker. Still have the worry ocean floor might get covered with tar
balls if they get negative bouyancy. TreBert
From: Brad Guth on 14 Jun 2010 10:59
On Jun 13, 10:32 pm, "greysky" <ftls...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
> BP proved that oil is not a non renewable resource. The oil  rig explosion
> was caused when the drill head penetrated into a high pressure strata  at
> 35,000 feet, something to be honest, BP was never expecting nor thought
> could be possible. The estimated wellhead pressure is between 25,000 and
> 75,000 PSI. This is totally beyond any human measure to contain. A relief
> well drilling into this strata will also fail because of this pressure.
> There is nothing we have in our technological arsenal that will contain this
> extensive pressure. In addition, the sea floor has fractured in other places
> releasing secondary and tertiary oil plumes. The only way to stop this
> disaster is to utilize a nuclear bomb to seal the drill hole, however, using
> a nuclear bomb also has a good chance of further rupturing the high level
> strata, and if this happens, it could literally change the makeup of the sea
> water on a global scale. In addition, the VOC (volatile organic compounds)
> levels of substances such as benzene, hydrogen sulfide, methalyne chloride,
> etc. entering the atmosphere is even now hundreds of times larger than
> maximum safe levels over the Gulf- for example, methalyne chloride levels
> measured in the gulf is now 3,500 ppm  when the safe level is between  0 and
> 35 ppm. And this is now. If they fracture the superdome and release all the
> gulf oil not only will the oceans die, but slowly toxify the atmosphere. And
> there is nothing we can do about it.
>
> This is a disaster that is eventually going to be on the same level as the
> Siberian Traps and will eventually cause mass extinctions of most of the
> life on this planet... Today, the people of the Gulf states are being placed
> in danger as they breath these poisons, tomorrow it will be all of us. But,
> for the immediate effects, expect to see large regions of the ocean to die
> as the oxygen levels in the water fall too low to support life. Next, the
> airborne toxins drifting over the gulf states will poison millions of
> people - expect the gulf and the states immediately surrounding it to become
> a wasteland. Then when the levels of methane and other flammable gasses get
> high enough  over the gulf, the waters will literally catch on fire. This
> poison fire will be carried on the currents until the entire eastern
> seaboard is burning, destroying the states along the east coast. Then the
> plumes will cross the Atlantic, and eventually toxify most of the water on
> the planet. As the pressure in the superdome lowers, there will also be
> earthquakes as the ocean floor caves in, squishing out more oil and VOC into
> the environment.
>
> I will leave it to you to guess how our world governments will deal with the
> disaster... or how it will effect you. Recently, I watched the DVD, 'The
> Road". It literally was the most depressing video I've seen in a long time.
> Now, the film makers left the nature and cause of the societal collapse as a
> mystery (although in the book it is alluded to peak oil), and I did wonder
> what could possibly make our environment turn so depressingly, hopelessly,
> hostile. Now, unfortunately, I am beginning to suspect I know the answer....
>
> G-

There is a great deal of pressure, although at a closed-off wellhead
BOP it's not likely much over 8600 psi (plus there's 2200 psi worth of
ocean pressure) to contend with. Worse case, that's less than 11,000
psi differential, and by some BP accounts the open BOP wellhead is
running at less than 4000 psi at the base.

Technically this unfortunate escapement can be halted and even
subsequently managed as a hydrocarbon and oily sulfur resource that's
badly needed. Like other bailout fiascoes, we the public should have
full ownership of this one by the time this environmental impact
tragedy is over (a decade from now).

http://www.horizonedocs.com/artform.php
I suggested using an inflatable lead enema on a stout pipe, that
could be easily forced down past those dysfunctional 18.75" BOP spool/
gate valves, and obviously the substantial (schedule 80<120) insertion
pipe of <12" for placing this inflatable lead enema below those BOP
valves could then be safely used to extract oil and gas.

This heavy duty 12" pipe should be configured with ROV manual operated
spool/gate valves, thus 100% cutting-off the leak and still giving
safe access to all of that gas and oily sulfur. Optional hydraulic
motor driven valve operators could be applied later.

~ BG
From: Brad Guth on 14 Jun 2010 11:12
On Jun 14, 4:56 am, bert <herbertglazie...(a)msn.com> wrote:
> On Jun 14, 1:32 am, "greysky" <ftls...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > BP proved that oil is not a non renewable resource. The oil  rig explosion
> > was caused when the drill head penetrated into a high pressure strata  at
> > 35,000 feet, something to be honest, BP was never expecting nor thought
> > could be possible. The estimated wellhead pressure is between 25,000 and
> > 75,000 PSI. This is totally beyond any human measure to contain. A relief
> > well drilling into this strata will also fail because of this pressure.
> > There is nothing we have in our technological arsenal that will contain this
> > extensive pressure. In addition, the sea floor has fractured in other places
> > releasing secondary and tertiary oil plumes. The only way to stop this
> > disaster is to utilize a nuclear bomb to seal the drill hole, however, using
> > a nuclear bomb also has a good chance of further rupturing the high level
> > strata, and if this happens, it could literally change the makeup of the sea
> > water on a global scale. In addition, the VOC (volatile organic compounds)
> > levels of substances such as benzene, hydrogen sulfide, methalyne chloride,
> > etc. entering the atmosphere is even now hundreds of times larger than
> > maximum safe levels over the Gulf- for example, methalyne chloride levels
> > measured in the gulf is now 3,500 ppm  when the safe level is between  0 and
> > 35 ppm. And this is now. If they fracture the superdome and release all the
> > gulf oil not only will the oceans die, but slowly toxify the atmosphere.. And
> > there is nothing we can do about it.
>
> > This is a disaster that is eventually going to be on the same level as the
> > Siberian Traps and will eventually cause mass extinctions of most of the
> > life on this planet... Today, the people of the Gulf states are being placed
> > in danger as they breath these poisons, tomorrow it will be all of us. But,
> > for the immediate effects, expect to see large regions of the ocean to die
> > as the oxygen levels in the water fall too low to support life. Next, the
> > airborne toxins drifting over the gulf states will poison millions of
> > people - expect the gulf and the states immediately surrounding it to become
> > a wasteland. Then when the levels of methane and other flammable gasses get
> > high enough  over the gulf, the waters will literally catch on fire. This
> > poison fire will be carried on the currents until the entire eastern
> > seaboard is burning, destroying the states along the east coast. Then the
> > plumes will cross the Atlantic, and eventually toxify most of the water on
> > the planet. As the pressure in the superdome lowers, there will also be
> > earthquakes as the ocean floor caves in, squishing out more oil and VOC into
> > the environment.
>
> > I will leave it to you to guess how our world governments will deal with the
> > disaster... or how it will effect you. Recently, I watched the DVD, 'The
> > Road". It literally was the most depressing video I've seen in a long time.
> > Now, the film makers left the nature and cause of the societal collapse as a
> > mystery (although in the book it is alluded to peak oil), and I did wonder
> > what could possibly make our environment turn so depressingly, hopelessly,
> > hostile. Now, unfortunately, I am beginning to suspect I know the answer...
>
> > G-
>
> Nice post  Best to think the worse and hope for the best.  Are you
> right about its great pressure? WOW  Than my final stopping the leak
> would only create another "BLOW OUT" I posted that possibility.
> Skiming very effectively is at this spacetime the only way to go.
> Kevin Coster seems to have an invention that seperates water and oil.
> Hmmm    An explosion works for oil on fire. It would only make matters
> worse.  If those casings go down 35,000 feet I find that the worse
> news so far. It has to have a lot of heat down there.and could be
> causing the great pressure. I did post this as relating to a pressure
> cooker.  Still have the worry ocean floor might get covered with tar
> balls if they get negative bouyancy. TreBert

Only the most sulfur saturated tar is going to sink. We could
artificially add lead to what's spewing out, but that wouldn't stay
put long enough to do any good. The molecular mass of hydrocarbons
will eventually float, no matters what.

Why aren't we as worried or more so about all of that raw natural gas?
(only a minor part of which is methane)

Isn't polluting the sea and atmosphere with those volumes of toxic
vapor elements worth anything to cry over?

Isn't that open BOP venting those raw natural and mostly toxic gasses
of <50e6 m3/day?

I bet most folks don't even care to honestly know what's in that raw
gas, and BP sure as hell isn't going to tell.

~ BG
From: bert on 15 Jun 2010 09:27
On Jun 14, 7:56 am, bert <herbertglazie...(a)msn.com> wrote:
> On Jun 14, 1:32 am, "greysky" <ftls...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > BP proved that oil is not a non renewable resource. The oil  rig explosion
> > was caused when the drill head penetrated into a high pressure strata  at
> > 35,000 feet, something to be honest, BP was never expecting nor thought
> > could be possible. The estimated wellhead pressure is between 25,000 and
> > 75,000 PSI. This is totally beyond any human measure to contain. A relief
> > well drilling into this strata will also fail because of this pressure.
> > There is nothing we have in our technological arsenal that will contain this
> > extensive pressure. In addition, the sea floor has fractured in other places
> > releasing secondary and tertiary oil plumes. The only way to stop this
> > disaster is to utilize a nuclear bomb to seal the drill hole, however, using
> > a nuclear bomb also has a good chance of further rupturing the high level
> > strata, and if this happens, it could literally change the makeup of the sea
> > water on a global scale. In addition, the VOC (volatile organic compounds)
> > levels of substances such as benzene, hydrogen sulfide, methalyne chloride,
> > etc. entering the atmosphere is even now hundreds of times larger than
> > maximum safe levels over the Gulf- for example, methalyne chloride levels
> > measured in the gulf is now 3,500 ppm  when the safe level is between  0 and
> > 35 ppm. And this is now. If they fracture the superdome and release all the
> > gulf oil not only will the oceans die, but slowly toxify the atmosphere.. And
> > there is nothing we can do about it.
>
> > This is a disaster that is eventually going to be on the same level as the
> > Siberian Traps and will eventually cause mass extinctions of most of the
> > life on this planet... Today, the people of the Gulf states are being placed
> > in danger as they breath these poisons, tomorrow it will be all of us. But,
> > for the immediate effects, expect to see large regions of the ocean to die
> > as the oxygen levels in the water fall too low to support life. Next, the
> > airborne toxins drifting over the gulf states will poison millions of
> > people - expect the gulf and the states immediately surrounding it to become
> > a wasteland. Then when the levels of methane and other flammable gasses get
> > high enough  over the gulf, the waters will literally catch on fire. This
> > poison fire will be carried on the currents until the entire eastern
> > seaboard is burning, destroying the states along the east coast. Then the
> > plumes will cross the Atlantic, and eventually toxify most of the water on
> > the planet. As the pressure in the superdome lowers, there will also be
> > earthquakes as the ocean floor caves in, squishing out more oil and VOC into
> > the environment.
>
> > I will leave it to you to guess how our world governments will deal with the
> > disaster... or how it will effect you. Recently, I watched the DVD, 'The
> > Road". It literally was the most depressing video I've seen in a long time.
> > Now, the film makers left the nature and cause of the societal collapse as a
> > mystery (although in the book it is alluded to peak oil), and I did wonder
> > what could possibly make our environment turn so depressingly, hopelessly,
> > hostile. Now, unfortunately, I am beginning to suspect I know the answer...
>
> > G-
>
> Nice post  Best to think the worse and hope for the best.  Are you
> right about its great pressure? WOW  Than my final stopping the leak
> would only create another "BLOW OUT" I posted that possibility.
> Skiming very effectively is at this spacetime the only way to go.
> Kevin Coster seems to have an invention that seperates water and oil.
> Hmmm    An explosion works for oil on fire. It would only make matters
> worse.  If those casings go down 35,000 feet I find that the worse
> news so far. It has to have a lot of heat down there.and could be
> causing the great pressure. I did post this as relating to a pressure
> cooker.  Still have the worry ocean floor might get covered with tar
> balls if they get negative bouyancy. TreBert- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

TV shows them throwing "sand" on oil Hmmm That could give tar balls
negative bouyancy. Get the picture. Skimming most effectively only
way to go untill other pipes drilled to releave the great pressure.
TreBert Would like to know if drilling is going through hard rock
and the time it will take to drill down 32,000 feet ?? TreBert
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