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From: Paul Stowe on 25 Dec 2009 11:13
On Dec 25, 2:07 am, "Autymn D. C." <lysde...(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> On Dec 23, 10:16 am, PaulStowe<theaether...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >   that there is a HUGE difference between mathematically correct
> > > equations and our interpretation of what the equations are saying
> > > about the things their symbols represent.
>
> > On that I will agree...  But for physics mathematically correct
> > equations must also resolve to the proper dimensional units and should
> > not contain fudge factors (like the Magnetic Moment Anomally).  If
> > there exists a discrepency between measuremnent and theory (as was the
> > case there) and the measurements is proven to be correct, then nature
> > is telling you something.  What! that is, is the interpretation
> > part...
>
> I thenk the Lamb shift is a outspring of entropy, as each level is
> equiparted in three dimensions by a series of two-dimensional
> orbitals; sometimes there are fewer polarizations which show up as a
> wider arm in one axis.
>
> > >   Btw, Paul, thank you for your attitude and your patience with me.
>
> > If only everyone could behave and show even a monocum of proper social
>
> modicum
>
> > Back to your statement F = ma, for example, m = {rho}V but can also be
> > resolved as [(dm/dt)/v]A where v is a velocity and A a cross-sectional
> > area.  Thus a force can be generated if there exists a dv/dx.  As for
>
> eh?
>
> -Aut

Yes,it is a forgotten historical fact that Maxwell's model in which he
derived the speed of light provided the dimensionality of charge. In
eq 132 in Pro XVI on page 22 of

http://www.vacuum-physics.com/Maxwell/maxwell_oplf.pdf

We see that his model defines c like any other medium, the product of
modulus (m) and density (z). Or,

c = Sqrt(m/z) Eq 132...

The modulus in turn is a measure of energy density (Q) and since Q =
zc^2, Q/z = c^2... The inverse of modulus is called the coefficient
of compressibility (u) such that m = 1/u. Therefore,

c = Sqrt(1/uz)

and this form of his equation is well known in SI where u is
permeability and z permitivitty. We need now only to assign the units
of Maxwell's model to the two terms,

u -> m-sec^2/kg
z = kg/m^3

Then we look at Coulomb's force equation,

F = Kqq/4piR^2

We know that the dimensions of force is kg-m/sec^2 and that in SI

F = qq/z4piR^2

and if we give permitivitty Maxwell's units then q becomes kg/sec or
dm/dt...

Now, what does this mean??? Can we find any other corrosions based
solely upon this interpretation? Well, the charge to mass ratio
becomes,

q/m -> 1/sec

or a frequency, nu. We simply put in the mass of the electron and we
get a frequency of 1.7588E+11 Hz. We then ask the question does this
frequency have any unique physical significance??? Well, what's the
black body temperature of this emission? It's 2.8K, that's what.
There of course, many other such amazing correlation simply based on
this interpretation such as the magnetic moment discussed earlier.
For me, given the known success of Maxwell's model overall, AND these
other correlations is sufficient to think his model is the correct
scientific one.

From: glird on 25 Dec 2009 11:42
On Dec 23, 1:16 pm, Paul Stowe <theaether...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 23, 8:05 am, glird <gl...(a)aol.com> wrote:
> > In the equations F = ma and e = mc^2, a denotes acceleration and c
> > denotes the speed of light in a vacuum. Define *the meaning* of each
> > of the things the other symbols denote.
>
> Also F = qE and E = qV where q is charge and E is potential and V
> voltage. Of course, V = E x d so we also have E = F x d. In fact, in
> the Maxwellian model E has dimensions of velocity (distance divided by
> time) and charge, dm/dt or the change in mass per change in time. The
> similarity then should becomes even more apparent. It is my opinion
> that the quation for all such physical manifestation must ALWAYS
> resolve to the very same underlying primitive process.
>
> Back to your statement F = ma, for example, m = {rho}V but can also be
> resolved as [(dm/dt)/v]A where v is a velocity and A a cross-sectional
> area. Thus a force can be generated if there exists a dv/dx. As for
> why there exists a difference between,
> E = [1/2m(2pi)^2][Sqrt(h^3 (Sqrt(z/3u) )] and,
> E = ghe/m8pi
> is that in Maxwell's model, quantization of charge did/does not
> exist. Measurement of its magnitude depends upon the prevailing
> conditions of the medium's state at the point of the measurement. It
> is an interesting fact that the anomalous part of the measured
> magnetic moment (0.001159653...) is, within the error band, the same
> as our solar system's speed wrt the CMBR. That is to say,
> (0.001159653)c = ~348 kps
> This suggest that the direct measure of electron's magnetic moment
> systematically daily might yield some interesting results. But, then
> again, maybe not. We won't know until we specifically look.

Thanks again, Paul, for NOT replying there to my request in sentence
two
of my prior statement, "In the equations F = ma and e = mc^2, a
denotes acceleration and c denotes the speed of light in a vacuum.
Define *the meaning* of each of the things the other symbols denote."

On contemplating the answers you and mpc might make, I woke at 7
a.m. this morning with a sudden realization that mpc's "aether" means
something entirely different TO HIM than it meant to me. Until now I
had lumped "aether" and "ether" together, in my definition that "the
ether (aether) denotes the continuity aspect of space-filling matter,
whether or not particles are in it." Although his definition and use
of the word "aether" is not the same as my new one, he ws right in
distinguishing between aether and ether.
If you are interested, Paul -- and I'm sure that you are -- look at
my new definition of "aether" on the thread called Merry Christmas.
(The first 3 messages in that thread are identical ones by me. That's
because the first two times I clicked <send> an error message came up
from Google groups saying that my time had expired. Knowing that if
you re-click the send button the message will be sent, that's what I'd
done the first two times and then, when the same error message
appeared, I clicked on <google info. -- or something like that --
which followed a sentence saying If you think this info is incorrect
please contact > .)

Anyway, Paul (etc) for the fourth or {preferwably} fifth time,


MERRY CHRISTMAS


glird

From: mpc755 on 25 Dec 2009 12:43
On Dec 25, 11:42 am, glird <gl...(a)aol.com> wrote:
> On Dec 23, 1:16 pm, Paul Stowe <theaether...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Dec 23, 8:05 am, glird <gl...(a)aol.com> wrote:
> > >  In the equations F = ma and e = mc^2, a denotes acceleration and c
> > > denotes the speed of light in a vacuum. Define *the meaning* of each
> > > of the things the other symbols denote.
>
> > Also F = qE and E = qV where q is charge and E is potential and V
> > voltage.  Of course, V = E x d so we also have E = F x d.  In fact, in
> > the Maxwellian model E has dimensions of velocity (distance divided by
> > time) and charge, dm/dt or the change in mass per change in time.  The
> > similarity then should becomes even more apparent.  It is my opinion
> > that the quation for all such physical manifestation must ALWAYS
> > resolve to the very same underlying primitive process.
>
> > Back to your statement F = ma, for example, m = {rho}V but can also be
> > resolved as [(dm/dt)/v]A where v is a velocity and A a cross-sectional
> > area.  Thus a force can be generated if there exists a dv/dx.  As for
> > why there exists a difference between,
> > E = [1/2m(2pi)^2][Sqrt(h^3 (Sqrt(z/3u) )]    and,
> > E = ghe/m8pi
> > is that in Maxwell's model, quantization of charge did/does not
> > exist.  Measurement of its magnitude depends upon the prevailing
> > conditions of the medium's state at the point of the measurement.  It
> > is an interesting fact that the anomalous part of the measured
> > magnetic moment (0.001159653...) is, within the error band, the same
> > as our solar system's speed wrt the CMBR.  That is to say,
> > (0.001159653)c = ~348 kps
> > This suggest that the direct measure of electron's magnetic moment
> > systematically daily might yield some interesting results.  But, then
> > again, maybe not.  We won't know until we specifically look.
>
>   Thanks again, Paul, for NOT replying there to my request in sentence
> two
>  of my prior statement, "In the equations F = ma and e = mc^2, a
> denotes acceleration and c denotes the speed of light in a vacuum.
> Define *the meaning* of each of the things the other symbols denote."
>
>   On contemplating the answers you and mpc might make, I woke at 7
> a.m. this morning with a sudden realization that mpc's "aether" means
> something entirely different TO HIM than it meant to me. Until now I
> had lumped "aether" and "ether" together, in my definition that "the
> ether (aether) denotes the continuity aspect of space-filling matter,
> whether or not particles are in it."  Although his definition and use
> of the word "aether" is not the same as my new one, he ws right in
> distinguishing between aether and ether.
>   If you are interested, Paul -- and I'm sure that you are -- look at
> my new definition of "aether" on the thread called Merry Christmas.
> (The first 3 messages in that thread are identical ones by me.  That's
> because the first two times I clicked <send> an error message came up
> from Google groups saying that my time had expired.  Knowing that if
> you re-click the send button the message will be sent, that's what I'd
> done the first two times and then, when the same error message
> appeared, I clicked on <google info. -- or something like that --
> which followed a sentence saying If you think this info is incorrect
> please contact > .)
>
>   Anyway, Paul (etc)  for the fourth or {preferwably} fifth time,
>
>                 MERRY CHRISTMAS
>
>    glird

Aether and ether are the same thing.
From: glird on 25 Dec 2009 13:37
On Dec 25, 11:13 am, Paul Stowe wrote:
>
> We know that the dimensions of force is kg-m/sec^2 and that in SI F = qq/z4piR^2 >

Force itself is a dimension. Its units of measure are number ans
grams, as in 10 grams.

> Now, what does this mean???  

It means that a force is a net pressure in grams, independent of the
area of its application.

g;ird
From: Paul Stowe on 25 Dec 2009 21:39
On Dec 25, 8:42 am, glird <gl...(a)aol.com> wrote:
> On Dec 23, 1:16 pm, PaulStowe<theaether...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Dec 23, 8:05 am, glird <gl...(a)aol.com> wrote:
> > >  In the equations F = ma and e = mc^2, a denotes acceleration and c
> > > denotes the speed of light in a vacuum. Define *the meaning* of each
> > > of the things the other symbols denote.
>
> > Also F = qE and E = qV where q is charge and E is potential and V
> > voltage.  Of course, V = E x d so we also have E = F x d.  In fact, in
> > the Maxwellian model E has dimensions of velocity (distance divided by
> > time) and charge, dm/dt or the change in mass per change in time.  The
> > similarity then should becomes even more apparent.  It is my opinion
> > that the quation for all such physical manifestation must ALWAYS
> > resolve to the very same underlying primitive process.
>
> > Back to your statement F = ma, for example, m = {rho}V but can also be
> > resolved as [(dm/dt)/v]A where v is a velocity and A a cross-sectional
> > area.  Thus a force can be generated if there exists a dv/dx.  As for
> > why there exists a difference between,
> > E = [1/2m(2pi)^2][Sqrt(h^3 (Sqrt(z/3u) )]    and,
> > E = ghe/m8pi
> > is that in Maxwell's model, quantization of charge did/does not
> > exist.  Measurement of its magnitude depends upon the prevailing
> > conditions of the medium's state at the point of the measurement.  It
> > is an interesting fact that the anomalous part of the measured
> > magnetic moment (0.001159653...) is, within the error band, the same
> > as our solar system's speed wrt the CMBR.  That is to say,
> > (0.001159653)c = ~348 kps
> > This suggest that the direct measure of electron's magnetic moment
> > systematically daily might yield some interesting results.  But, then
> > again, maybe not.  We won't know until we specifically look.
>
>   Thanks again, Paul, for NOT replying there to my request in sentence
> two
>  of my prior statement, "In the equations F = ma and e = mc^2, a
> denotes acceleration and c denotes the speed of light in a vacuum.
> Define *the meaning* of each of the things the other symbols denote."

It is the 'accepted' convention that our descriptions of physical
science has certain definitions which all learn and understand are to
be used. These are,

Mass, Length, Time are the primitive physical dimensions. Length in
turn can be defined as components along three orthogonal axis x, y, z
as the situation dictates. In turn, these three axes are known as
geometric dimensions. In modern theories time is converted into a
pseudo length constituting a forth geometric dimension. These in turn
are incorporated into physical unitary systems where the most common
are the MKSC or SI system, the cgs system, natural units, or English
engineering system. However, all of these are mostly different
scaling of the dimensions given above. The electric/magnetic elements
take different routes in the metric systems of SI and cgs mainly
because the nature and physical dimensions of charge remain unknown
and are arbitrarily chosen for each differently. In SI permitivitty
and permeability are defined and charge is defined relative to these.
In the cgs charge is defined solely by Coulomb's force equation
assuming that there is no scaling factor which is assumed to be unity
and dimensionless.

I'm really not sure what you wanted me to say in a reply that is not
already well defined by standard convention in this sense?

>   On contemplating the answers you and mpc might make, I woke at 7
> a.m. this morning with a sudden realization that mpc's "aether" means
> something entirely different TO HIM than it meant to me. Until now I
> had lumped "aether" and "ether" together, in my definition that "the
> ether (aether) denotes the continuity aspect of space-filling matter,
> whether or not particles are in it."  Although his definition and use
> of the word "aether" is not the same as my new one, he ws right in
> distinguishing between aether and ether.
>   If you are interested, Paul -- and I'm sure that you are -- look at
> my new definition of "aether" on the thread called Merry Christmas.
> (The first 3 messages in that thread are identical ones by me.  That's
> because the first two times I clicked <send> an error message came up
> from Google groups saying that my time had expired.  Knowing that if
> you re-click the send button the message will be sent, that's what I'd
> done the first two times and then, when the same error message
> appeared, I clicked on <google info. -- or something like that --
> which followed a sentence saying If you think this info is incorrect
> please contact > .)
>
>   Anyway, Paul (etc)  for the fourth or {preferwably} fifth time,
>
>                 MERRY CHRISTMAS
>
>    glird

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