Aether Displacement Rebuttal
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From: Paul Stowe on 26 Dec 2009 17:00 On Dec 26, 1:57 pm, Paul Stowe <theaether...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Dec 26, 1:15 pm, glird <gl...(a)aol.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Dec 26, 2:23 pm, alex sullivan wrote: > > > > On Dec 26, 1:01 am, "Inertial" <relativ...(a)rest.com> wrote: > > > > > "glird" <gl...(a)aol.com> wrote in message > > > >news:ae0b54de-c667-4146-a4d6-e043ab7d72da(a)v25g2000yqk.googlegroups.com... > > > > > On Dec 25, 11:13 am, PaulStowewrote: > > > > >> We know that the dimensions of force is kg-m/sec^2 and that in SI F = qq/z4piR^2 > > > > > > > Force itself is a dimension. > > > > > Nope .. seehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimensional_analysis. > > > > > > Its units of measure are number and > > > > > grams, as in 10 grams. > > > > > Nope. A gram is a unit of mass, not force. > > > > > >> Now, what does this mean??? > > > > > > It means that a force is a net pressure in grams, independent of the area of its application. > > > > > Nope .. there is no such thing as 'pressure in grams' .. a gram is a unit of mass, not pressure. > > > > How do YOU state an amount of pressure, without using > > > grams or pounds? > > > Good question! How does ANYONE state an amount of pressure in units > > of measure other than grams or pounds? > > Indeed, since one discovers the "mass" of an object by weighing it, > > and since weight is given in grams, a gram is a unit of WEIGHT (which > > is the quantity of PRESSURE a body exerts against a restraining > > surface usc on Earth). Therefore a gram is a unit of pressure and > > weight and -- since the textbooks agree that weight is a force -- of > > force, none of which are quantities of matter. > > Accordingly, since "mass" denotes "a quantity of matter", and since > > the aetheric mode of matter has no weight, a gram is the WRONG unit of > > measure of mass. > > > glird Typo correction... > Wow, I think now understand what you were trying to get at. Your > writing style is a clear as mud to most. Mass is a measure of an > object inertia. Inertia being the magnitude of the resistance to any > change in the state of the medium. I have said for some time now that > rest mass is NOT fundamental. However, that does not change accepted > convention and mass can be used as a concept. Force and its cousin > pressure is that which is required to change the inertia state of what > we call a material object. Inertia is summed up in Newton's first > law, force his second, conservation of momentum his third. In the > basic aether model there exists no fundamental item known to us are > rest mass. However, there is fundamental quanta of momentum (p) which > can be expressed as mass times velocity mc. So, like the photon, > there can be a 'equivalent' mass as computed by p/c... > > If you wish to communicate to the general audience you will have to > learn how to express your ideas more clearly and how to translate them > into terms that are standard. > > Regards, > > PaulStowe
From: Androcles on 26 Dec 2009 17:18 "alex sullivan" <lnkprk114(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:bdcd2cbd-20bb-4ad4-af4e-07414c8e8e5f(a)o28g2000yqh.googlegroups.com... On Dec 26, 1:01 am, "Inertial" <relativ...(a)rest.com> wrote: > "glird" <gl...(a)aol.com> wrote in message > > news:ae0b54de-c667-4146-a4d6-e043ab7d72da(a)v25g2000yqk.googlegroups.com... > > > On Dec 25, 11:13 am, Paul Stowe wrote: > > >> We know that the dimensions of force is kg-m/sec^2 and that in SI F = > >> qq/z4piR^2 > > > > Force itself is a dimension. > > Nope .. seehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimensional_analysis. > > > Its units of measure are number and > > grams, as in 10 grams. > > Nope. A gram is a unit of mass, not force. > > >> Now, what does this mean??? > > > It means that a force is a net pressure in grams, independent of the > > area of its application. > > Nope .. there is no such thing as 'pressure in grams' .. a gram is a unit > of > mass, not pressure. How do YOU state an amount of pressure, without using grams or pounds? ============================================= How about the newton, which IS a unit of force? (Not that it is a dimension.)
From: mpc755 on 27 Dec 2009 22:03 On Dec 26, 2:23 pm, alex sullivan <lnkprk...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Dec 26, 1:01 am, "Inertial" <relativ...(a)rest.com> wrote: > > > > > "glird" <gl...(a)aol.com> wrote in message > > >news:ae0b54de-c667-4146-a4d6-e043ab7d72da(a)v25g2000yqk.googlegroups.com.... > > > > On Dec 25, 11:13 am, Paul Stowe wrote: > > > >> We know that the dimensions of force is kg-m/sec^2 and that in SI F = > > >> qq/z4piR^2 > > > > > Force itself is a dimension. > > > Nope .. seehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimensional_analysis. > > > > Its units of measure are number and > > > grams, as in 10 grams. > > > Nope. A gram is a unit of mass, not force. > > > >> Now, what does this mean??? > > > > It means that a force is a net pressure in grams, independent of the > > > area of its application. > > > Nope .. there is no such thing as 'pressure in grams' .. a gram is a unit of > > mass, not pressure. > > How do YOU state an amount of pressure, without using grams or > pounds? Since aether is displaced based on the mass of the matter doing the displacement, the aether pressure back towards the matter is equal to the amount of mass which is the matter.
From: mpc755 on 27 Dec 2009 22:22 On Dec 26, 4:57 pm, Paul Stowe <theaether...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Dec 26, 1:15 pm, glird <gl...(a)aol.com> wrote: > > > > > On Dec 26, 2:23 pm, alex sullivan wrote: > > > > On Dec 26, 1:01 am, "Inertial" <relativ...(a)rest.com> wrote: > > > > > "glird" <gl...(a)aol.com> wrote in message > > > >news:ae0b54de-c667-4146-a4d6-e043ab7d72da(a)v25g2000yqk.googlegroups.com... > > > > > On Dec 25, 11:13 am, PaulStowewrote: > > > > >> We know that the dimensions of force is kg-m/sec^2 and that in SI F = qq/z4piR^2 > > > > > > > Force itself is a dimension. > > > > > Nope .. seehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimensional_analysis. > > > > > > Its units of measure are number and > > > > > grams, as in 10 grams. > > > > > Nope. A gram is a unit of mass, not force. > > > > > >> Now, what does this mean??? > > > > > > It means that a force is a net pressure in grams, independent of the area of its application. > > > > > Nope .. there is no such thing as 'pressure in grams' .. a gram is a unit of mass, not pressure. > > > > How do YOU state an amount of pressure, without using > > > grams or pounds? > > > Good question! How does ANYONE state an amount of pressure in units > > of measure other than grams or pounds? > > Indeed, since one discovers the "mass" of an object by weighing it, > > and since weight is given in grams, a gram is a unit of WEIGHT (which > > is the quantity of PRESSURE a body exerts against a restraining > > surface usc on Earth). Therefore a gram is a unit of pressure and > > weight and -- since the textbooks agree that weight is a force -- of > > force, none of which are quantities of matter. > > Accordingly, since "mass" denotes "a quantity of matter", and since > > the aetheric mode of matter has no weight, a gram is the WRONG unit of > > measure of mass. > > > glird > > Wow, I think now understand what you were trying to get at. Your > writing style is a clear as mud to most. Mass is a measure of an > object inertia. Inertia being the magnitude of the resistance to any > change in the state of the medium. I have said for some time now that > rest mass is a fundamental. However, that does not change accepted > convention and mass can be used as a concept. Force and its cousin > pressure is that which is required to change the inertia state of what > we call a material object. Inertia is summed up in Newton's first > law, force his second, conservation of momentum his third. In the > basic aether model there exists no fundamental item known to us are > rest mass. However, there is fundamental quanta of momentum (p) which > can be expressed as mass times velocity mc. So, like the photon, > there can be a 'equivalent' mass as computed by p/c... > > If you wish to communicate to the general audience you will have to > learn how to express your ideas more clearly and how to translate them > into terms that are standard. > > Regards, > > Paul Stowe Mass is a measure of the amount of aether displaced by matter at rest with respect to the aether and the matter not under the effects of the displaced aether of other matter. Inertia being the magnitude of the resistance to any change in the state of the displaced aether.
From: glird on 30 Dec 2009 12:28
On Dec 26, 4:57 pm, Paul Stowe wrote: > On Dec 26, 1:15 pm, glird <gl...(a)aol.com> wrote: > >< How does ANYONE state an amount of pressure in units of measure other than grams or pounds? Indeed, since one discovers the "mass" of an object by weighing it, and since weight is given in grams, a gram is a unit of WEIGHT (which is the quantity of PRESSURE a body exerts against a restraining surface usc on Earth). Therefore a gram is a unit of pressure and weight and -- since the textbooks agree that weight is a force -- of force, none of which are quantities of matter. Accordingly, since "mass" denotes "a quantity of matter", and since the aetheric mode of matter has no weight, a gram is the WRONG unit of measure of mass. > > >< Wow, I think now understand what you were trying to get at. Your writing style is as clear as mud to most. > i told my daughter what you said and asked her if it was true. To my surprise, she said YES. When I asked her why, she said, "Because your sentences are so long and convoluted that few people can understand them. You ought to write short ones. Maybe three words long. AND not take side trips in or with your logic." >< [snip] If you wish to communicate to the general audience you will have to learn how to express your ideas more clearly and how to translate them into terms that are standard. > I try to always define any of my words that might otherwise be misleading. As to using standard terms, such as matter, mass, force, pressure, time, empty space, particle, dimension, etc, they are so ill- defined in present physics that almost nobody understands what they mean. Therefore, equations in which they appear are misunderstood. Indeed, the words NEVER appear in equations. Symbols do. Such as m, F, p, t. And v, and c. Worst of all: In calculus, NObody understands that "in the limit" is forbidden. Why? Because the limit is a point. A point has no length. Since a differential equation gives a relation between, say, length and time -- as in v = delta l/delta t -- if either length or time is taken to the limit, it ALWAYS equals zero. Oppenheimer found that out. But didn't know why. glird |