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From: mpc755 on 5 Dec 2009 23:24 On Dec 5, 11:01 pm, Huang <huangxienc...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > Choosing to believe a moving C-60 molecule, 60 interconnected atoms, > > enters, travels through, and exits multiple slits simultaneously > > without requiring energy, releasing energy, or having a change in > > momentum, is a more correct physical description of the observed > > behaviors of C-60 molecules in a double slit experiment vs. the moving > > C-60 molecule creates a displacement wave in the aether is incorrect. > > C60 is neither wave nor particle. It is indeterminate whether it is > one or the other. > > If you ASK "which way" then nature will tell you, simply because you > modified the very nature of the experiment by asking such a question > in the first place. It behaves like a particle because that is the > FORMAT of the output required by the question "which way?" . > > If you do NOT ask which way, then it behaves like a wave. > > The experiments and the evidence has been repeated thousands of times > in labs all over the world. C60 is not a wave, and is not a particle. > It is indeterminately either one or the other. And if you ask a > certain way, you will get a corresponding output. > > The only way to model this sensibly is by using a composition of > existent magnitudes and nonexistent magnitudes. THAT makes sense where > nothing else can. Nonsense. The particle is on a deterministic path. The C-60 molecule creates a displacement wave in the aether. It is no different than a boat in the water passing through one of multiple slits. The bow wave the boat creates in the water enters and exits the slits ahead of the boat. The waves that exit the slits the boat does not travel through will pass out ahead of the path the boat is traveling and create interference with all of the waves that are exiting all of the slits ahead of the boat. This interference will alter the direction the boat travels. If you place buoys at the exits to all of the slits and the buoys turn the bow wave into chop and interference does not occur and the direction the boat travels is not altered, do you say the buoys represent ASKING 'which way' so the boat behaved like a particle? If you do not place any buoys at the exits to the slits and the bow wave exiting all of the slits creates interference and alters the direction the boat travels, do you say since there being no buoys represents not ASKING 'which way' so the boat behaves like a wave? Of course not, you realize the boat is creating a bow wave in the water. There is a boat and a wave. The double slit experiment performed with C-60 molecules is no different than a boat in the water. The C-60 molecule creates a displacement wave in the aether. There is a C-60 molecule and a wave.
From: Huang on 6 Dec 2009 00:02 On Dec 5, 10:24 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Dec 5, 11:01 pm, Huang <huangxienc...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > Choosing to believe a moving C-60 molecule, 60 interconnected atoms, > > > enters, travels through, and exits multiple slits simultaneously > > > without requiring energy, releasing energy, or having a change in > > > momentum, is a more correct physical description of the observed > > > behaviors of C-60 molecules in a double slit experiment vs. the moving > > > C-60 molecule creates a displacement wave in the aether is incorrect. > > > C60 is neither wave nor particle. It is indeterminate whether it is > > one or the other. > > > If you ASK "which way" then nature will tell you, simply because you > > modified the very nature of the experiment by asking such a question > > in the first place. It behaves like a particle because that is the > > FORMAT of the output required by the question "which way?" . > > > If you do NOT ask which way, then it behaves like a wave. > > > The experiments and the evidence has been repeated thousands of times > > in labs all over the world. C60 is not a wave, and is not a particle. > > It is indeterminately either one or the other. And if you ask a > > certain way, you will get a corresponding output. > > > The only way to model this sensibly is by using a composition of > > existent magnitudes and nonexistent magnitudes. THAT makes sense where > > nothing else can. > > Nonsense. The particle is on a deterministic path. The C-60 molecule > creates a displacement wave in the aether. > > It is no different than a boat in the water passing through one of > multiple slits. The bow wave the boat creates in the water enters and > exits the slits ahead of the boat. The waves that exit the slits the > boat does not travel through will pass out ahead of the path the boat > is traveling and create interference with all of the waves that are > exiting all of the slits ahead of the boat. This interference will > alter the direction the boat travels. > > If you place buoys at the exits to all of the slits and the buoys turn > the bow wave into chop and interference does not occur and the > direction the boat travels is not altered, do you say the buoys > represent ASKING 'which way' so the boat behaved like a particle? If > you do not place any buoys at the exits to the slits and the bow wave > exiting all of the slits creates interference and alters the direction > the boat travels, do you say since there being no buoys represents not > ASKING 'which way' so the boat behaves like a wave? Of course not, you > realize the boat is creating a bow wave in the water. There is a boat > and a wave. The double slit experiment performed with C-60 molecules > is no different than a boat in the water. The C-60 molecule creates a > displacement wave in the aether. There is a C-60 molecule and a wave.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - You dont have to post 10 times, you could just post IN ALL CAPS and get the same effect. Consider two magnitudes a and b, a exists and has magnitude 10, b does not exist and has magnitude 1. Now compose these magnitudes. You will notice a couple things right away : [1] It is indeterminate whether the combined magnitude is continuous or discrete. [2] It is indeterminate whether you multiplied or added these things a and b. [3] This situation is exactly analogous to a probabilistic problem from orthodox mathematics, just worded differently. [4] Provides a mechanism for modelling things like wave-particle duality. [5] Provides a mechanism for modelling dark matter, gravity, and all kinds of things. [6] Provides a way to say that determinacy is equivalent to indeterminacy. [7] Explains the fundamental essence of mathematics as a kind of absolute truth, nonexistence is absolute falsehood and is singular, and in the middle you have conjecture. Truth, falsehood, and conjecture in the middle. It all fits very nicely. [8] I could go on, and on, and on.... Look at it this way. I ask you to get a random quantity of rope from a bag, you cannot see inside the nag. You dont know if the pieces in the bag are discrete chunks, or a continuous spool. Now let it be indeterminate whether the rope is continuous or discrete. If I ASK how may pieces, then your answer MUST be discrete output and the rope behaved discretely. If I DO NOT ask how many pieces, then the output is forced to be continuous by default and you MUST produce a continuous random chunk of rope, the rope must behave as if continuous. Wave particle duality is no different. Quit beating yourself up - the problem is solved.
From: BURT on 6 Dec 2009 00:51 On Dec 5, 9:02 pm, Huang <huangxienc...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Dec 5, 10:24 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Dec 5, 11:01 pm, Huang <huangxienc...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > Choosing to believe a moving C-60 molecule, 60 interconnected atoms, > > > > enters, travels through, and exits multiple slits simultaneously > > > > without requiring energy, releasing energy, or having a change in > > > > momentum, is a more correct physical description of the observed > > > > behaviors of C-60 molecules in a double slit experiment vs. the moving > > > > C-60 molecule creates a displacement wave in the aether is incorrect. > > > > C60 is neither wave nor particle. It is indeterminate whether it is > > > one or the other. > > > > If you ASK "which way" then nature will tell you, simply because you > > > modified the very nature of the experiment by asking such a question > > > in the first place. It behaves like a particle because that is the > > > FORMAT of the output required by the question "which way?" . > > > > If you do NOT ask which way, then it behaves like a wave. > > > > The experiments and the evidence has been repeated thousands of times > > > in labs all over the world. C60 is not a wave, and is not a particle. > > > It is indeterminately either one or the other. And if you ask a > > > certain way, you will get a corresponding output. > > > > The only way to model this sensibly is by using a composition of > > > existent magnitudes and nonexistent magnitudes. THAT makes sense where > > > nothing else can. > > > Nonsense. The particle is on a deterministic path. The C-60 molecule > > creates a displacement wave in the aether. > > > It is no different than a boat in the water passing through one of > > multiple slits. The bow wave the boat creates in the water enters and > > exits the slits ahead of the boat. The waves that exit the slits the > > boat does not travel through will pass out ahead of the path the boat > > is traveling and create interference with all of the waves that are > > exiting all of the slits ahead of the boat. This interference will > > alter the direction the boat travels. > > > If you place buoys at the exits to all of the slits and the buoys turn > > the bow wave into chop and interference does not occur and the > > direction the boat travels is not altered, do you say the buoys > > represent ASKING 'which way' so the boat behaved like a particle? If > > you do not place any buoys at the exits to the slits and the bow wave > > exiting all of the slits creates interference and alters the direction > > the boat travels, do you say since there being no buoys represents not > > ASKING 'which way' so the boat behaves like a wave? Of course not, you > > realize the boat is creating a bow wave in the water. There is a boat > > and a wave. The double slit experiment performed with C-60 molecules > > is no different than a boat in the water. The C-60 molecule creates a > > displacement wave in the aether. There is a C-60 molecule and a wave.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > You dont have to post 10 times, you could just post IN ALL CAPS and > get the same effect. > > Consider two magnitudes a and b, a exists and has magnitude 10, b does > not exist and has magnitude 1. > > Now compose these magnitudes. You will notice a couple things right > away : > [1] It is indeterminate whether the combined magnitude is continuous > or discrete. > [2] It is indeterminate whether you multiplied or added these things a > and b. > [3] This situation is exactly analogous to a probabilistic problem > from orthodox mathematics, just worded differently. > [4] Provides a mechanism for modelling things like wave-particle > duality. > [5] Provides a mechanism for modelling dark matter, gravity, and all > kinds of things. > [6] Provides a way to say that determinacy is equivalent to > indeterminacy. > [7] Explains the fundamental essence of mathematics as a kind of > absolute truth, nonexistence is absolute falsehood and is singular, > and in the middle you have conjecture. Truth, falsehood, and > conjecture in the middle. It all fits very nicely. > [8] I could go on, and on, and on.... > > Look at it this way. I ask you to get a random quantity of rope from a > bag, you cannot see inside the nag. You dont know if the pieces in the > bag are discrete chunks, or a continuous spool. > > Now let it be indeterminate whether the rope is continuous or > discrete. > > If I ASK how may pieces, then your answer MUST be discrete output and > the rope behaved discretely. If I DO NOT ask how many pieces, then the > output is forced to be continuous by default and you MUST produce a > continuous random chunk of rope, the rope must behave as if > continuous. > > Wave particle duality is no different. Quit beating yourself up - the > problem is solved.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - The determinstic path of aether flow is over an energy particle. Mitch Raemsch
From: mpc755 on 6 Dec 2009 09:11 On Dec 6, 12:02 am, Huang <huangxienc...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Dec 5, 10:24 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Dec 5, 11:01 pm, Huang <huangxienc...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > Choosing to believe a moving C-60 molecule, 60 interconnected atoms, > > > > enters, travels through, and exits multiple slits simultaneously > > > > without requiring energy, releasing energy, or having a change in > > > > momentum, is a more correct physical description of the observed > > > > behaviors of C-60 molecules in a double slit experiment vs. the moving > > > > C-60 molecule creates a displacement wave in the aether is incorrect. > > > > C60 is neither wave nor particle. It is indeterminate whether it is > > > one or the other. > > > > If you ASK "which way" then nature will tell you, simply because you > > > modified the very nature of the experiment by asking such a question > > > in the first place. It behaves like a particle because that is the > > > FORMAT of the output required by the question "which way?" . > > > > If you do NOT ask which way, then it behaves like a wave. > > > > The experiments and the evidence has been repeated thousands of times > > > in labs all over the world. C60 is not a wave, and is not a particle. > > > It is indeterminately either one or the other. And if you ask a > > > certain way, you will get a corresponding output. > > > > The only way to model this sensibly is by using a composition of > > > existent magnitudes and nonexistent magnitudes. THAT makes sense where > > > nothing else can. > > > Nonsense. The particle is on a deterministic path. The C-60 molecule > > creates a displacement wave in the aether. > > > It is no different than a boat in the water passing through one of > > multiple slits. The bow wave the boat creates in the water enters and > > exits the slits ahead of the boat. The waves that exit the slits the > > boat does not travel through will pass out ahead of the path the boat > > is traveling and create interference with all of the waves that are > > exiting all of the slits ahead of the boat. This interference will > > alter the direction the boat travels. > > > If you place buoys at the exits to all of the slits and the buoys turn > > the bow wave into chop and interference does not occur and the > > direction the boat travels is not altered, do you say the buoys > > represent ASKING 'which way' so the boat behaved like a particle? If > > you do not place any buoys at the exits to the slits and the bow wave > > exiting all of the slits creates interference and alters the direction > > the boat travels, do you say since there being no buoys represents not > > ASKING 'which way' so the boat behaves like a wave? Of course not, you > > realize the boat is creating a bow wave in the water. There is a boat > > and a wave. The double slit experiment performed with C-60 molecules > > is no different than a boat in the water. The C-60 molecule creates a > > displacement wave in the aether. There is a C-60 molecule and a wave.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > You dont have to post 10 times, you could just post IN ALL CAPS and > get the same effect. > > Consider two magnitudes a and b, a exists and has magnitude 10, b does > not exist and has magnitude 1. > > Now compose these magnitudes. You will notice a couple things right > away : > [1] It is indeterminate whether the combined magnitude is continuous > or discrete. > [2] It is indeterminate whether you multiplied or added these things a > and b. > [3] This situation is exactly analogous to a probabilistic problem > from orthodox mathematics, just worded differently. > [4] Provides a mechanism for modelling things like wave-particle > duality. > [5] Provides a mechanism for modelling dark matter, gravity, and all > kinds of things. > [6] Provides a way to say that determinacy is equivalent to > indeterminacy. > [7] Explains the fundamental essence of mathematics as a kind of > absolute truth, nonexistence is absolute falsehood and is singular, > and in the middle you have conjecture. Truth, falsehood, and > conjecture in the middle. It all fits very nicely. > [8] I could go on, and on, and on.... > > Look at it this way. I ask you to get a random quantity of rope from a > bag, you cannot see inside the nag. You dont know if the pieces in the > bag are discrete chunks, or a continuous spool. > > Now let it be indeterminate whether the rope is continuous or > discrete. > > If I ASK how may pieces, then your answer MUST be discrete output and > the rope behaved discretely. If I DO NOT ask how many pieces, then the > output is forced to be continuous by default and you MUST produce a > continuous random chunk of rope, the rope must behave as if > continuous. > > Wave particle duality is no different. Quit beating yourself up - the > problem is solved. A double slit experiment is performed with a boat. All you know from the experiment is where the boat is launched from and when there are buoys placed at the exits to the slits the boat behaves the same as it does in a single slit experiment and when there aren't buoys at the exits to the slits and you perform the experiment over and over again, the boat creates an interference pattern on the shore. You are adamant all there is in the experiment is a boat, the slits, and the shore. You are unwilling or unable to understand water exists and the moving boat is creating a bow wave in the water. You conclude when detectors are placed at the exits to the slits you ASK 'which way' and the boat is a particle. You conclude when detectors are not placed at the exits to the slits you do not ASK 'which way' and the boat is a wave. Choosing to believe water does not exist doesn't make your conclusions any less incorrect. Wave particle duality: A moving object or particle has an associated aether wave.
From: mpc755 on 6 Dec 2009 09:17
On Dec 6, 12:02 am, Huang <huangxienc...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Dec 5, 10:24 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Dec 5, 11:01 pm, Huang <huangxienc...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > Choosing to believe a moving C-60 molecule, 60 interconnected atoms, > > > > enters, travels through, and exits multiple slits simultaneously > > > > without requiring energy, releasing energy, or having a change in > > > > momentum, is a more correct physical description of the observed > > > > behaviors of C-60 molecules in a double slit experiment vs. the moving > > > > C-60 molecule creates a displacement wave in the aether is incorrect. > > > > C60 is neither wave nor particle. It is indeterminate whether it is > > > one or the other. > > > > If you ASK "which way" then nature will tell you, simply because you > > > modified the very nature of the experiment by asking such a question > > > in the first place. It behaves like a particle because that is the > > > FORMAT of the output required by the question "which way?" . > > > > If you do NOT ask which way, then it behaves like a wave. > > > > The experiments and the evidence has been repeated thousands of times > > > in labs all over the world. C60 is not a wave, and is not a particle. > > > It is indeterminately either one or the other. And if you ask a > > > certain way, you will get a corresponding output. > > > > The only way to model this sensibly is by using a composition of > > > existent magnitudes and nonexistent magnitudes. THAT makes sense where > > > nothing else can. > > > Nonsense. The particle is on a deterministic path. The C-60 molecule > > creates a displacement wave in the aether. > > > It is no different than a boat in the water passing through one of > > multiple slits. The bow wave the boat creates in the water enters and > > exits the slits ahead of the boat. The waves that exit the slits the > > boat does not travel through will pass out ahead of the path the boat > > is traveling and create interference with all of the waves that are > > exiting all of the slits ahead of the boat. This interference will > > alter the direction the boat travels. > > > If you place buoys at the exits to all of the slits and the buoys turn > > the bow wave into chop and interference does not occur and the > > direction the boat travels is not altered, do you say the buoys > > represent ASKING 'which way' so the boat behaved like a particle? If > > you do not place any buoys at the exits to the slits and the bow wave > > exiting all of the slits creates interference and alters the direction > > the boat travels, do you say since there being no buoys represents not > > ASKING 'which way' so the boat behaves like a wave? Of course not, you > > realize the boat is creating a bow wave in the water. There is a boat > > and a wave. The double slit experiment performed with C-60 molecules > > is no different than a boat in the water. The C-60 molecule creates a > > displacement wave in the aether. There is a C-60 molecule and a wave.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > You dont have to post 10 times, you could just post IN ALL CAPS and > get the same effect. > > Consider two magnitudes a and b, a exists and has magnitude 10, b does > not exist and has magnitude 1. > > Now compose these magnitudes. You will notice a couple things right > away : > [1] It is indeterminate whether the combined magnitude is continuous > or discrete. > [2] It is indeterminate whether you multiplied or added these things a > and b. > [3] This situation is exactly analogous to a probabilistic problem > from orthodox mathematics, just worded differently. > [4] Provides a mechanism for modelling things like wave-particle > duality. > [5] Provides a mechanism for modelling dark matter, gravity, and all > kinds of things. > [6] Provides a way to say that determinacy is equivalent to > indeterminacy. > [7] Explains the fundamental essence of mathematics as a kind of > absolute truth, nonexistence is absolute falsehood and is singular, > and in the middle you have conjecture. Truth, falsehood, and > conjecture in the middle. It all fits very nicely. > [8] I could go on, and on, and on.... > > Look at it this way. I ask you to get a random quantity of rope from a > bag, you cannot see inside the nag. You dont know if the pieces in the > bag are discrete chunks, or a continuous spool. > > Now let it be indeterminate whether the rope is continuous or > discrete. > > If I ASK how may pieces, then your answer MUST be discrete output and > the rope behaved discretely. If I DO NOT ask how many pieces, then the > output is forced to be continuous by default and you MUST produce a > continuous random chunk of rope, the rope must behave as if > continuous. > > Wave particle duality is no different. Quit beating yourself up - the > problem is solved. A double slit experiment is performed with a boat. All you know from the experiment is where the boat is launched from and when there are buoys placed at the exits to the slits the boat behaves the same as it does in a single slit experiment and when there aren't buoys at the exits to the slits and you perform the experiment over and over again, the boat creates an interference pattern on the shore. You are adamant all there is in the experiment is a boat, the slits, and the shore. You are unwilling or unable to understand water exists and the moving boat is creating a bow wave in the water. You conclude when detectors are placed at the exits to the slits you ASK 'which way' and the boat is a particle. You conclude when detectors are not placed at the exits to the slits you do not ASK 'which way' and the boat is a wave. Choosing to believe water does not exist doesn't make your conclusions any less incorrect. Wave particle duality: A moving body creates an aether wave. |