From: mpc755 on
On Dec 5, 11:01 pm, Huang <huangxienc...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Choosing to believe a moving C-60 molecule, 60 interconnected atoms,
> > enters, travels through, and exits multiple slits simultaneously
> > without requiring energy, releasing energy, or having a change in
> > momentum, is a more correct physical description of the observed
> > behaviors of C-60 molecules in a double slit experiment vs. the moving
> > C-60 molecule creates a displacement wave in the aether is incorrect.
>
> C60 is neither wave nor particle. It is indeterminate whether it is
> one or the other.
>
> If you ASK "which way" then nature will tell you, simply because you
> modified the very nature of the experiment by asking such a question
> in the first place. It behaves like a particle because that is the
> FORMAT of the output required by the question "which way?" .
>
> If you do NOT ask which way, then it behaves like a wave.
>
> The experiments and the evidence has been repeated thousands of times
> in labs all over the world. C60 is not a wave, and is not a particle.
> It is indeterminately either one or the other. And if you ask a
> certain way, you will get a corresponding output.
>
> The only way to model this sensibly is by using a composition of
> existent magnitudes and nonexistent magnitudes. THAT makes sense where
> nothing else can.

Nonsense. The particle is on a deterministic path. The C-60 molecule
creates a displacement wave in the aether.

It is no different than a boat in the water passing through one of
multiple slits. The bow wave the boat creates in the water enters and
exits the slits ahead of the boat. The waves that exit the slits the
boat does not travel through will pass out ahead of the path the boat
is traveling and create interference with all of the waves that are
exiting all of the slits ahead of the boat. This interference will
alter the direction the boat travels.

If you place buoys at the exits to all of the slits and the buoys turn
the bow wave into chop and interference does not occur and the
direction the boat travels is not altered, do you say the buoys
represent ASKING 'which way' so the boat behaved like a particle? If
you do not place any buoys at the exits to the slits and the bow wave
exiting all of the slits creates interference and alters the direction
the boat travels, do you say since there being no buoys represents not
ASKING 'which way' so the boat behaves like a wave? Of course not, you
realize the boat is creating a bow wave in the water. There is a boat
and a wave. The double slit experiment performed with C-60 molecules
is no different than a boat in the water. The C-60 molecule creates a
displacement wave in the aether. There is a C-60 molecule and a wave.
From: Huang on
On Dec 5, 10:24 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 5, 11:01 pm, Huang <huangxienc...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > > Choosing to believe a moving C-60 molecule, 60 interconnected atoms,
> > > enters, travels through, and exits multiple slits simultaneously
> > > without requiring energy, releasing energy, or having a change in
> > > momentum, is a more correct physical description of the observed
> > > behaviors of C-60 molecules in a double slit experiment vs. the moving
> > > C-60 molecule creates a displacement wave in the aether is incorrect.
>
> > C60 is neither wave nor particle. It is indeterminate whether it is
> > one or the other.
>
> > If you ASK "which way" then nature will tell you, simply because you
> > modified the very nature of the experiment by asking such a question
> > in the first place. It behaves like a particle because that is the
> > FORMAT of the output required by the question "which way?" .
>
> > If you do NOT ask which way, then it behaves like a wave.
>
> > The experiments and the evidence has been repeated thousands of times
> > in labs all over the world. C60 is not a wave, and is not a particle.
> > It is indeterminately either one or the other. And if you ask a
> > certain way, you will get a corresponding output.
>
> > The only way to model this sensibly is by using a composition of
> > existent magnitudes and nonexistent magnitudes. THAT makes sense where
> > nothing else can.
>
> Nonsense. The particle is on a deterministic path. The C-60 molecule
> creates a displacement wave in the aether.
>
> It is no different than a boat in the water passing through one of
> multiple slits. The bow wave the boat creates in the water enters and
> exits the slits ahead of the boat. The waves that exit the slits the
> boat does not travel through will pass out ahead of the path the boat
> is traveling and create interference with all of the waves that are
> exiting all of the slits ahead of the boat. This interference will
> alter the direction the boat travels.
>
> If you place buoys at the exits to all of the slits and the buoys turn
> the bow wave into chop and interference does not occur and the
> direction the boat travels is not altered, do you say the buoys
> represent ASKING 'which way' so the boat behaved like a particle? If
> you do not place any buoys at the exits to the slits and the bow wave
> exiting all of the slits creates interference and alters the direction
> the boat travels, do you say since there being no buoys represents not
> ASKING 'which way' so the boat behaves like a wave? Of course not, you
> realize the boat is creating a bow wave in the water. There is a boat
> and a wave. The double slit experiment performed with C-60 molecules
> is no different than a boat in the water. The C-60 molecule creates a
> displacement wave in the aether. There is a C-60 molecule and a wave.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -



You dont have to post 10 times, you could just post IN ALL CAPS and
get the same effect.

Consider two magnitudes a and b, a exists and has magnitude 10, b does
not exist and has magnitude 1.

Now compose these magnitudes. You will notice a couple things right
away :
[1] It is indeterminate whether the combined magnitude is continuous
or discrete.
[2] It is indeterminate whether you multiplied or added these things a
and b.
[3] This situation is exactly analogous to a probabilistic problem
from orthodox mathematics, just worded differently.
[4] Provides a mechanism for modelling things like wave-particle
duality.
[5] Provides a mechanism for modelling dark matter, gravity, and all
kinds of things.
[6] Provides a way to say that determinacy is equivalent to
indeterminacy.
[7] Explains the fundamental essence of mathematics as a kind of
absolute truth, nonexistence is absolute falsehood and is singular,
and in the middle you have conjecture. Truth, falsehood, and
conjecture in the middle. It all fits very nicely.
[8] I could go on, and on, and on....


Look at it this way. I ask you to get a random quantity of rope from a
bag, you cannot see inside the nag. You dont know if the pieces in the
bag are discrete chunks, or a continuous spool.

Now let it be indeterminate whether the rope is continuous or
discrete.

If I ASK how may pieces, then your answer MUST be discrete output and
the rope behaved discretely. If I DO NOT ask how many pieces, then the
output is forced to be continuous by default and you MUST produce a
continuous random chunk of rope, the rope must behave as if
continuous.

Wave particle duality is no different. Quit beating yourself up - the
problem is solved.











From: BURT on
On Dec 5, 9:02 pm, Huang <huangxienc...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Dec 5, 10:24 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Dec 5, 11:01 pm, Huang <huangxienc...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Choosing to believe a moving C-60 molecule, 60 interconnected atoms,
> > > > enters, travels through, and exits multiple slits simultaneously
> > > > without requiring energy, releasing energy, or having a change in
> > > > momentum, is a more correct physical description of the observed
> > > > behaviors of C-60 molecules in a double slit experiment vs. the moving
> > > > C-60 molecule creates a displacement wave in the aether is incorrect.
>
> > > C60 is neither wave nor particle. It is indeterminate whether it is
> > > one or the other.
>
> > > If you ASK "which way" then nature will tell you, simply because you
> > > modified the very nature of the experiment by asking such a question
> > > in the first place. It behaves like a particle because that is the
> > > FORMAT of the output required by the question "which way?" .
>
> > > If you do NOT ask which way, then it behaves like a wave.
>
> > > The experiments and the evidence has been repeated thousands of times
> > > in labs all over the world. C60 is not a wave, and is not a particle.
> > > It is indeterminately either one or the other. And if you ask a
> > > certain way, you will get a corresponding output.
>
> > > The only way to model this sensibly is by using a composition of
> > > existent magnitudes and nonexistent magnitudes. THAT makes sense where
> > > nothing else can.
>
> > Nonsense. The particle is on a deterministic path. The C-60 molecule
> > creates a displacement wave in the aether.
>
> > It is no different than a boat in the water passing through one of
> > multiple slits. The bow wave the boat creates in the water enters and
> > exits the slits ahead of the boat. The waves that exit the slits the
> > boat does not travel through will pass out ahead of the path the boat
> > is traveling and create interference with all of the waves that are
> > exiting all of the slits ahead of the boat. This interference will
> > alter the direction the boat travels.
>
> > If you place buoys at the exits to all of the slits and the buoys turn
> > the bow wave into chop and interference does not occur and the
> > direction the boat travels is not altered, do you say the buoys
> > represent ASKING 'which way' so the boat behaved like a particle? If
> > you do not place any buoys at the exits to the slits and the bow wave
> > exiting all of the slits creates interference and alters the direction
> > the boat travels, do you say since there being no buoys represents not
> > ASKING 'which way' so the boat behaves like a wave? Of course not, you
> > realize the boat is creating a bow wave in the water. There is a boat
> > and a wave. The double slit experiment performed with C-60 molecules
> > is no different than a boat in the water. The C-60 molecule creates a
> > displacement wave in the aether. There is a C-60 molecule and a wave.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> You dont have to post 10 times, you could just post IN ALL CAPS and
> get the same effect.
>
> Consider two magnitudes a and b, a exists and has magnitude 10, b does
> not exist and has magnitude 1.
>
> Now compose these magnitudes. You will notice a couple things right
> away :
> [1] It is indeterminate whether the combined magnitude is continuous
> or discrete.
> [2] It is indeterminate whether you multiplied or added these things a
> and b.
> [3] This situation is exactly analogous to a probabilistic problem
> from orthodox mathematics, just worded differently.
> [4] Provides a mechanism for modelling things like wave-particle
> duality.
> [5] Provides a mechanism for modelling dark matter, gravity, and all
> kinds of things.
> [6] Provides a way to say that determinacy is equivalent to
> indeterminacy.
> [7] Explains the fundamental essence of mathematics as a kind of
> absolute truth, nonexistence is absolute falsehood and is singular,
> and in the middle you have conjecture. Truth, falsehood, and
> conjecture in the middle. It all fits very nicely.
> [8] I could go on, and on, and on....
>
> Look at it this way. I ask you to get a random quantity of rope from a
> bag, you cannot see inside the nag. You dont know if the pieces in the
> bag are discrete chunks, or a continuous spool.
>
> Now let it be indeterminate whether the rope is continuous or
> discrete.
>
> If I ASK how may pieces, then your answer MUST be discrete output and
> the rope behaved discretely. If I DO NOT ask how many pieces, then the
> output is forced to be continuous by default and you MUST produce a
> continuous random chunk of rope, the rope must behave as if
> continuous.
>
> Wave particle duality is no different. Quit beating yourself up - the
> problem is solved.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

The determinstic path of aether flow is over an energy particle.

Mitch Raemsch
From: mpc755 on
On Dec 6, 12:02 am, Huang <huangxienc...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Dec 5, 10:24 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Dec 5, 11:01 pm, Huang <huangxienc...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Choosing to believe a moving C-60 molecule, 60 interconnected atoms,
> > > > enters, travels through, and exits multiple slits simultaneously
> > > > without requiring energy, releasing energy, or having a change in
> > > > momentum, is a more correct physical description of the observed
> > > > behaviors of C-60 molecules in a double slit experiment vs. the moving
> > > > C-60 molecule creates a displacement wave in the aether is incorrect.
>
> > > C60 is neither wave nor particle. It is indeterminate whether it is
> > > one or the other.
>
> > > If you ASK "which way" then nature will tell you, simply because you
> > > modified the very nature of the experiment by asking such a question
> > > in the first place. It behaves like a particle because that is the
> > > FORMAT of the output required by the question "which way?" .
>
> > > If you do NOT ask which way, then it behaves like a wave.
>
> > > The experiments and the evidence has been repeated thousands of times
> > > in labs all over the world. C60 is not a wave, and is not a particle.
> > > It is indeterminately either one or the other. And if you ask a
> > > certain way, you will get a corresponding output.
>
> > > The only way to model this sensibly is by using a composition of
> > > existent magnitudes and nonexistent magnitudes. THAT makes sense where
> > > nothing else can.
>
> > Nonsense. The particle is on a deterministic path. The C-60 molecule
> > creates a displacement wave in the aether.
>
> > It is no different than a boat in the water passing through one of
> > multiple slits. The bow wave the boat creates in the water enters and
> > exits the slits ahead of the boat. The waves that exit the slits the
> > boat does not travel through will pass out ahead of the path the boat
> > is traveling and create interference with all of the waves that are
> > exiting all of the slits ahead of the boat. This interference will
> > alter the direction the boat travels.
>
> > If you place buoys at the exits to all of the slits and the buoys turn
> > the bow wave into chop and interference does not occur and the
> > direction the boat travels is not altered, do you say the buoys
> > represent ASKING 'which way' so the boat behaved like a particle? If
> > you do not place any buoys at the exits to the slits and the bow wave
> > exiting all of the slits creates interference and alters the direction
> > the boat travels, do you say since there being no buoys represents not
> > ASKING 'which way' so the boat behaves like a wave? Of course not, you
> > realize the boat is creating a bow wave in the water. There is a boat
> > and a wave. The double slit experiment performed with C-60 molecules
> > is no different than a boat in the water. The C-60 molecule creates a
> > displacement wave in the aether. There is a C-60 molecule and a wave.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> You dont have to post 10 times, you could just post IN ALL CAPS and
> get the same effect.
>
> Consider two magnitudes a and b, a exists and has magnitude 10, b does
> not exist and has magnitude 1.
>
> Now compose these magnitudes. You will notice a couple things right
> away :
> [1] It is indeterminate whether the combined magnitude is continuous
> or discrete.
> [2] It is indeterminate whether you multiplied or added these things a
> and b.
> [3] This situation is exactly analogous to a probabilistic problem
> from orthodox mathematics, just worded differently.
> [4] Provides a mechanism for modelling things like wave-particle
> duality.
> [5] Provides a mechanism for modelling dark matter, gravity, and all
> kinds of things.
> [6] Provides a way to say that determinacy is equivalent to
> indeterminacy.
> [7] Explains the fundamental essence of mathematics as a kind of
> absolute truth, nonexistence is absolute falsehood and is singular,
> and in the middle you have conjecture. Truth, falsehood, and
> conjecture in the middle. It all fits very nicely.
> [8] I could go on, and on, and on....
>
> Look at it this way. I ask you to get a random quantity of rope from a
> bag, you cannot see inside the nag. You dont know if the pieces in the
> bag are discrete chunks, or a continuous spool.
>
> Now let it be indeterminate whether the rope is continuous or
> discrete.
>
> If I ASK how may pieces, then your answer MUST be discrete output and
> the rope behaved discretely. If I DO NOT ask how many pieces, then the
> output is forced to be continuous by default and you MUST produce a
> continuous random chunk of rope, the rope must behave as if
> continuous.
>
> Wave particle duality is no different. Quit beating yourself up - the
> problem is solved.

A double slit experiment is performed with a boat. All you know from
the experiment is where the boat is launched from and when there are
buoys placed at the exits to the slits the boat behaves the same as it
does in a single slit experiment and when there aren't buoys at the
exits to the slits and you perform the experiment over and over again,
the boat creates an interference pattern on the shore.

You are adamant all there is in the experiment is a boat, the slits,
and the shore. You are unwilling or unable to understand water exists
and the moving boat is creating a bow wave in the water.

You conclude when detectors are placed at the exits to the slits you
ASK 'which way' and the boat is a particle.

You conclude when detectors are not placed at the exits to the slits
you do not ASK 'which way' and the boat is a wave.

Choosing to believe water does not exist doesn't make your conclusions
any less incorrect.

Wave particle duality: A moving object or particle has an associated
aether wave.
From: mpc755 on
On Dec 6, 12:02 am, Huang <huangxienc...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Dec 5, 10:24 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Dec 5, 11:01 pm, Huang <huangxienc...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Choosing to believe a moving C-60 molecule, 60 interconnected atoms,
> > > > enters, travels through, and exits multiple slits simultaneously
> > > > without requiring energy, releasing energy, or having a change in
> > > > momentum, is a more correct physical description of the observed
> > > > behaviors of C-60 molecules in a double slit experiment vs. the moving
> > > > C-60 molecule creates a displacement wave in the aether is incorrect.
>
> > > C60 is neither wave nor particle. It is indeterminate whether it is
> > > one or the other.
>
> > > If you ASK "which way" then nature will tell you, simply because you
> > > modified the very nature of the experiment by asking such a question
> > > in the first place. It behaves like a particle because that is the
> > > FORMAT of the output required by the question "which way?" .
>
> > > If you do NOT ask which way, then it behaves like a wave.
>
> > > The experiments and the evidence has been repeated thousands of times
> > > in labs all over the world. C60 is not a wave, and is not a particle.
> > > It is indeterminately either one or the other. And if you ask a
> > > certain way, you will get a corresponding output.
>
> > > The only way to model this sensibly is by using a composition of
> > > existent magnitudes and nonexistent magnitudes. THAT makes sense where
> > > nothing else can.
>
> > Nonsense. The particle is on a deterministic path. The C-60 molecule
> > creates a displacement wave in the aether.
>
> > It is no different than a boat in the water passing through one of
> > multiple slits. The bow wave the boat creates in the water enters and
> > exits the slits ahead of the boat. The waves that exit the slits the
> > boat does not travel through will pass out ahead of the path the boat
> > is traveling and create interference with all of the waves that are
> > exiting all of the slits ahead of the boat. This interference will
> > alter the direction the boat travels.
>
> > If you place buoys at the exits to all of the slits and the buoys turn
> > the bow wave into chop and interference does not occur and the
> > direction the boat travels is not altered, do you say the buoys
> > represent ASKING 'which way' so the boat behaved like a particle? If
> > you do not place any buoys at the exits to the slits and the bow wave
> > exiting all of the slits creates interference and alters the direction
> > the boat travels, do you say since there being no buoys represents not
> > ASKING 'which way' so the boat behaves like a wave? Of course not, you
> > realize the boat is creating a bow wave in the water. There is a boat
> > and a wave. The double slit experiment performed with C-60 molecules
> > is no different than a boat in the water. The C-60 molecule creates a
> > displacement wave in the aether. There is a C-60 molecule and a wave.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> You dont have to post 10 times, you could just post IN ALL CAPS and
> get the same effect.
>
> Consider two magnitudes a and b, a exists and has magnitude 10, b does
> not exist and has magnitude 1.
>
> Now compose these magnitudes. You will notice a couple things right
> away :
> [1] It is indeterminate whether the combined magnitude is continuous
> or discrete.
> [2] It is indeterminate whether you multiplied or added these things a
> and b.
> [3] This situation is exactly analogous to a probabilistic problem
> from orthodox mathematics, just worded differently.
> [4] Provides a mechanism for modelling things like wave-particle
> duality.
> [5] Provides a mechanism for modelling dark matter, gravity, and all
> kinds of things.
> [6] Provides a way to say that determinacy is equivalent to
> indeterminacy.
> [7] Explains the fundamental essence of mathematics as a kind of
> absolute truth, nonexistence is absolute falsehood and is singular,
> and in the middle you have conjecture. Truth, falsehood, and
> conjecture in the middle. It all fits very nicely.
> [8] I could go on, and on, and on....
>
> Look at it this way. I ask you to get a random quantity of rope from a
> bag, you cannot see inside the nag. You dont know if the pieces in the
> bag are discrete chunks, or a continuous spool.
>
> Now let it be indeterminate whether the rope is continuous or
> discrete.
>
> If I ASK how may pieces, then your answer MUST be discrete output and
> the rope behaved discretely. If I DO NOT ask how many pieces, then the
> output is forced to be continuous by default and you MUST produce a
> continuous random chunk of rope, the rope must behave as if
> continuous.
>
> Wave particle duality is no different. Quit beating yourself up - the
> problem is solved.

A double slit experiment is performed with a boat. All you know from
the experiment is where the boat is launched from and when there are
buoys placed at the exits to the slits the boat behaves the same as it
does in a single slit experiment and when there aren't buoys at the
exits to the slits and you perform the experiment over and over again,
the boat creates an interference pattern on the shore.

You are adamant all there is in the experiment is a boat, the slits,
and the shore. You are unwilling or unable to understand water exists
and the moving boat is creating a bow wave in the water.

You conclude when detectors are placed at the exits to the slits you
ASK 'which way' and the boat is a particle.

You conclude when detectors are not placed at the exits to the slits
you do not ASK 'which way' and the boat is a wave.

Choosing to believe water does not exist doesn't make your conclusions
any less incorrect.

Wave particle duality: A moving body creates an aether wave.