From: BURT on
On Dec 6, 7:40 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Dec 6, 5:18 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Dec 6, 3:38 pm, Huang <huangxienc...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Dec 6, 2:14 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > My interpretation of modeling is mathematics. Mathematics is the judge
> > > > and jury as to the validity of a theory. But, mathematics is not
> > > > nature. I have not heard of magnitudes before but my guess as to what
> > > > you are implying is the 'magnitude' that something is a wave vs. the
> > > > 'magnitude' something is a particle. But I disagree completely with a
> > > > C-60 molecule being a wave at any magnitude.
>
> > > > Now, if you want to re-interpret magnitude to include aether, then you
> > > > might have something. 'Dimension' is a mathematical construct, not
> > > > nature. The aether is necessary. The aether is physical. The aether is
> > > > required in order to have a more correct physical description of
> > > > nature.
>
> > > > If a double slit experiment is performed with a boat and the boat
> > > > creates an interference pattern on the shore, is the boat a wave or
> > > > does water exist?
>
> > > > A double slit experiment performed with C-60 molecules is evidence of
> > > > the existence of aether.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > A magnitude is a very simple idea. 5 liters, 20 centimeters, 6 miles,
> > > 2,000 watts...etc . These are all magnitudes.
>
> > > What I was referring to above was magnitudes of length. Quantities of
> > > dimension measured as length. If you have 10 meters which exists, and
> > > one meter which does not exist, you can compose them to obtain an
> > > existentially indeterminate length of magnitude 11, which has expected
> > > length 10.
>
> > > Any probabilistic problem can be reworded in terms of existential
> > > indeterminacy and conservation of existential potential.
>
> > > Yes....all of these procedures are trivial. They have to be.
> > > Triviality is inherent to QM.
>
> > A sentence like "existentially indeterminate length of magnitude 11,
> > which has expected length 10" is nonsense. Same for one meter of
> > length which does not exist. This is all due to the nonsense required
> > in QM. QM requires all of this nonsense because it doesn't understand
> > a moving body has an associated aether wave. Once you understand
> > aether exists and is responsible for the wave portion of the observed
> > behaviors in the double slit experiment, the nonsense goes away. I
> > think QM is very, very, incorrect in how it describes nature. In
> > Aether Displacement all of the nonsense goes away. When a double slit
> > experiment is performed with a C-60 molecule, there is a moving C-60
> > molecule and the displacement wave it creates in the aether. There is
> > a particle AND a wave. The particle and the wave are separate entities
> > working as one.
>
> > Let's back up a minute.
>
> > Answer the following:
>
> > If a double slit experiment is performed with a boat and the boat
> > creates an interference pattern on the shore, is the boat a wave or
> > does water exist?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> I used to think that aether was the substance of the universe. I now
> think there are three substances. First is what everyone sees and
> models and that is energy flow and phenomenon. The second is aether
> which is the ordering element of the universe. It orders energy flow
> and it flows over and through matter and light. Then there is the
> substance of space or geometry wherein togetherness the aether and
> energy is.
>
> This is my Unified Theory. Ather and energy together are time. Time
> fills space. So Unification is ultimatly Two things together time and
> space but that togetherness is one substance and Einstein called that
> continuity. Einstein's first Unification is the last.
>
> Mitch Raemsch- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Also time is where flowing aether and energy is. Light and matter have
their own times. There are two times in the universe.

Mitch Raemsch
From: mpc755 on
On Dec 6, 10:40 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Dec 6, 5:18 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Dec 6, 3:38 pm, Huang <huangxienc...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Dec 6, 2:14 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > My interpretation of modeling is mathematics. Mathematics is the judge
> > > > and jury as to the validity of a theory. But, mathematics is not
> > > > nature. I have not heard of magnitudes before but my guess as to what
> > > > you are implying is the 'magnitude' that something is a wave vs. the
> > > > 'magnitude' something is a particle. But I disagree completely with a
> > > > C-60 molecule being a wave at any magnitude.
>
> > > > Now, if you want to re-interpret magnitude to include aether, then you
> > > > might have something. 'Dimension' is a mathematical construct, not
> > > > nature. The aether is necessary. The aether is physical. The aether is
> > > > required in order to have a more correct physical description of
> > > > nature.
>
> > > > If a double slit experiment is performed with a boat and the boat
> > > > creates an interference pattern on the shore, is the boat a wave or
> > > > does water exist?
>
> > > > A double slit experiment performed with C-60 molecules is evidence of
> > > > the existence of aether.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > A magnitude is a very simple idea. 5 liters, 20 centimeters, 6 miles,
> > > 2,000 watts...etc . These are all magnitudes.
>
> > > What I was referring to above was magnitudes of length. Quantities of
> > > dimension measured as length. If you have 10 meters which exists, and
> > > one meter which does not exist, you can compose them to obtain an
> > > existentially indeterminate length of magnitude 11, which has expected
> > > length 10.
>
> > > Any probabilistic problem can be reworded in terms of existential
> > > indeterminacy and conservation of existential potential.
>
> > > Yes....all of these procedures are trivial. They have to be.
> > > Triviality is inherent to QM.
>
> > A sentence like "existentially indeterminate length of magnitude 11,
> > which has expected length 10" is nonsense. Same for one meter of
> > length which does not exist. This is all due to the nonsense required
> > in QM. QM requires all of this nonsense because it doesn't understand
> > a moving body has an associated aether wave. Once you understand
> > aether exists and is responsible for the wave portion of the observed
> > behaviors in the double slit experiment, the nonsense goes away. I
> > think QM is very, very, incorrect in how it describes nature. In
> > Aether Displacement all of the nonsense goes away. When a double slit
> > experiment is performed with a C-60 molecule, there is a moving C-60
> > molecule and the displacement wave it creates in the aether. There is
> > a particle AND a wave. The particle and the wave are separate entities
> > working as one.
>
> > Let's back up a minute.
>
> > Answer the following:
>
> > If a double slit experiment is performed with a boat and the boat
> > creates an interference pattern on the shore, is the boat a wave or
> > does water exist?- Hide quoted text -
>
> This is my Unified Theory.

Great. Why don't you start your own thread and see what kind of
responses you get for your Unified Theory. This thread is titled
Aether Displacement.
From: mpc755 on
On Dec 6, 9:51 pm, Huang <huangxienc...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:

> > Choosing to believe a moving C-60 molecule, 60 interconnected atoms,
> > enters, travels through, and exits multiple slits simultaneously
> > without requiring energy, releasing energy, or having a change in
> > momentum, is a more correct physical description of the observed
> > behaviors of C-60 molecules in a double slit experiment vs. the moving
> > C-60 molecule creates a displacement wave in the aether is incorrect.

> It requires no energy because no chemical bonds are broken, nor are
> they reformed after passing through the slit. It is a quantum
> phenomena and is trivial.

Saying it is a 'quantum phenomena' is saying its magic.

> NON-TRIVIAL reactions may require or release energy - trivial ones DO
> NOT. But in any case, there is no chemical reaction.

> The molecule may be regarded as a wave. It may be regarded as a
> particle. It is indeterminate whether it is one or the other, until
> you pose a question in such a way that it FORCES THE ANSWER to be
> formatted as one or the other.

The molecule is not a wave. The molecule is a particle, always.

> it is all very obvious.

> If I tell you to "give me a random number", you dont have any idea
> whether I want discrete or continuous output. My question is
> ambiguous. If I change the question "give me a random integer" or
> "give me a random real", then I have modified the question
> signifigantly. That is what wave particle duality is all about. It is
> DIRT SIMPLE.

If a double slit experiment is performed with a boat and the boat
creates an interference pattern on the shore, is the boat a wave or
does water exist?
From: mpc755 on
On Dec 6, 10:40 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Dec 6, 5:18 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Dec 6, 3:38 pm, Huang <huangxienc...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Dec 6, 2:14 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > My interpretation of modeling is mathematics. Mathematics is the judge
> > > > and jury as to the validity of a theory. But, mathematics is not
> > > > nature. I have not heard of magnitudes before but my guess as to what
> > > > you are implying is the 'magnitude' that something is a wave vs. the
> > > > 'magnitude' something is a particle. But I disagree completely with a
> > > > C-60 molecule being a wave at any magnitude.
>
> > > > Now, if you want to re-interpret magnitude to include aether, then you
> > > > might have something. 'Dimension' is a mathematical construct, not
> > > > nature. The aether is necessary. The aether is physical. The aether is
> > > > required in order to have a more correct physical description of
> > > > nature.
>
> > > > If a double slit experiment is performed with a boat and the boat
> > > > creates an interference pattern on the shore, is the boat a wave or
> > > > does water exist?
>
> > > > A double slit experiment performed with C-60 molecules is evidence of
> > > > the existence of aether.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > A magnitude is a very simple idea. 5 liters, 20 centimeters, 6 miles,
> > > 2,000 watts...etc . These are all magnitudes.
>
> > > What I was referring to above was magnitudes of length. Quantities of
> > > dimension measured as length. If you have 10 meters which exists, and
> > > one meter which does not exist, you can compose them to obtain an
> > > existentially indeterminate length of magnitude 11, which has expected
> > > length 10.
>
> > > Any probabilistic problem can be reworded in terms of existential
> > > indeterminacy and conservation of existential potential.
>
> > > Yes....all of these procedures are trivial. They have to be.
> > > Triviality is inherent to QM.
>
> > A sentence like "existentially indeterminate length of magnitude 11,
> > which has expected length 10" is nonsense. Same for one meter of
> > length which does not exist. This is all due to the nonsense required
> > in QM. QM requires all of this nonsense because it doesn't understand
> > a moving body has an associated aether wave. Once you understand
> > aether exists and is responsible for the wave portion of the observed
> > behaviors in the double slit experiment, the nonsense goes away. I
> > think QM is very, very, incorrect in how it describes nature. In
> > Aether Displacement all of the nonsense goes away. When a double slit
> > experiment is performed with a C-60 molecule, there is a moving C-60
> > molecule and the displacement wave it creates in the aether. There is
> > a particle AND a wave. The particle and the wave are separate entities
> > working as one.
>
> > Let's back up a minute.
>
> > Answer the following:
>
> > If a double slit experiment is performed with a boat and the boat
> > creates an interference pattern on the shore, is the boat a wave or
> > does water exist?- Hide quoted text -
>

<snip>

> This is my Unified Theory.

Great. Why don't you start your own thread and see what kind of
responses you get for your Unified Theory. This thread is titled
Aether Displacement.
From: mpc755 on
On Dec 6, 9:51 pm, Huang <huangxienc...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:

> > Choosing to believe a moving C-60 molecule, 60 interconnected atoms,
> > enters, travels through, and exits multiple slits simultaneously
> > without requiring energy, releasing energy, or having a change in
> > momentum, is a more correct physical description of the observed
> > behaviors of C-60 molecules in a double slit experiment vs. the moving
> > C-60 molecule creates a displacement wave in the aether is incorrect.

> It requires no energy because no chemical bonds are broken, nor are
> they reformed after passing through the slit. It is a quantum
> phenomena and is trivial.

Saying it is a 'quantum phenomena' is saying its magic.

> NON-TRIVIAL reactions may require or release energy - trivial ones DO
> NOT. But in any case, there is no chemical reaction.

> The molecule may be regarded as a wave. It may be regarded as a
> particle. It is indeterminate whether it is one or the other, until
> you pose a question in such a way that it FORCES THE ANSWER to be
> formatted as one or the other.

The molecule is not a wave. The molecule is a particle, always.

> it is all very obvious.

> If I tell you to "give me a random number", you dont have any idea
> whether I want discrete or continuous output. My question is
> ambiguous. If I change the question "give me a random integer" or
> "give me a random real", then I have modified the question
> signifigantly. That is what wave particle duality is all about. It is
> DIRT SIMPLE.

If a double slit experiment is performed with a boat and the boat
creates an interference pattern on the shore, is the boat a wave or
does water exist?