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From: NoEinstein on 13 Dec 2009 20:42 On Dec 10, 11:01 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Dear mpc755: Some of your quickly-scanned mumblings sound like a vain attempt to paraphrase what I myself have said, and to put your own spin on my new science TRUTHS. Some people might be flattered by such imitation. But when science is explained in its simplest and most easily understood form, no variant explanations are needed. NoEinstein > > Please don't go there. > > It makes no sense to say a C-60 molecule curves aether as it heads > towards the slits in a double slit experiment. The C-60 molecule > displaces aether as it heads towards the slits in a double slit > experiment. Does a moving boat curve the water in front of its bow or > does a moving boat displace the water in front of its bow. > > The density of matter can be variable because the nuclei of the atoms > that make up the matter can displace more aether. Again, if you have a > lead Jupiter and the real Jupiter, the nuclei of the lead Jupiter > occupy more three dimensional space per volume than the nuclei of the > atoms which make up the real Jupiter. > > There is less aether between the nuclei of the lead Jupiter than there > is between the nuclei of the real Jupiter. Aether exists where matter > does not. Yes, aether and matter are the same stuff, but I prefer the > definition of matter to be the nuclei of atoms and the three > dimensional space they occupy and the aether to be the stuff that > exists everywhere the nuclei of atoms do not (excluding a discussion > of neutron stars and black holes at this point). So, beside black > holes, there is matter (mostly consisting of the nuclei of atoms) and > aether (which fills the spaces between the nuclei of the atoms). > > So, the larger the nuclei of atoms and the closer they are together in > three dimensional space, the less aether there exists between the > nuclei of the atoms and the denser the matter is. The smaller the > nuclei of atoms are and the further apart from one another they are > the less dense the matter is and the more aether which exists between > the nuclei. > > Now, when light bends around the Sun, I prefer to consider the light > to be bending due to the displacement of the aether. The aether > closest to the surface of the Sun is displaced the most and the > neighboring aether is less displaced, and the neighboring aether to > that aether is less displaced, and so on. There does not need to be a > 'density' of the aether involved in terms of its ability to bend light > and to have increased gravitational effects. It just needs to be a > matter of the amount of displacement which becomes an amount of > pressure against the displacement. > > But, aether is compressed into matter. There is a difference between > the states of matter, the density of matter, and the density of the > aether. The density of matter is the amount of, or lack of, aether > which exists between the nuclei of the atoms which is the matter. > Matter can be compressed and uncompressed (aether). But, I would > prefer not to apply the property of density to aether.
From: mpc755 on 13 Dec 2009 20:45 On Dec 13, 8:23 pm, NoEinstein <noeinst...(a)bellsouth.net> wrote: > On Dec 10, 10:34 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Dear mpc755: You are free to push your own science theories. I'm > contented to push my science FACTS. Varying ether flow and density > explains gravity. Einstein didn't know that, nor do you. Let time > and history prove who's right. Bantering with you accomplishes > nothing. NoEinstein > Then start your own thread. 'Ether and the Theory of Relativity by Albert Einstein' http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Extras/Einstein_ether.html "the state of the [ether] is at every place determined by connections with the matter and the state of the ether in neighbouring places" The state of the aether is its state of displacement. > > > > On Dec 10, 10:25 pm, NoEinstein <noeinst...(a)bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > > On Dec 8, 7:05 pm, "Inertial" <relativ...(a)rest.com> wrote: > > > > > >> > Gravity, indeed, relates to what > > > > >> > happens with the ether > > > > > So why, if there are two masses sitting in space, does the 'aether' make > > > > them accelerate toward each other. But if there is one object, it just sits > > > > there. if anything, the presence of one mass displacing aether would push > > > > the other object away, not bring them closer. > > > > Dear Inertial: Any two objects in space that are above absolute zero > > > temperature will exchange radiant energy. That replaces the energy on > > > the facing sides that is constantly being lost through radiation. But > > > it doesn't replace the energy being lost on the opposing sides. > > > Because the opposing sides are deficient in energy, the ether pressure > > > pushes on the opposing sides more than on the facing sides causing the > > > two objects to move closer together. Ether flow of this nature is > > > closely analogous to weather systems of highs and lows. The most wind > > > goes where the pressure is the lowest. The ether "wind" effectively > > > pushes the objects together! NoEinstein > > > Incorrect, but close. It is not the ether 'wind' which pushes the > > objects together. It is the aether's state of displacement. > > > 'Ether and the Theory of Relativity by Albert Einstein'http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Extras/Einstein_ether.html > > > "the state of the [ether] is at every place determined by connections > > with the matter and the state of the ether in neighbouring places" > > > Since the matter exists in three dimensional space, the aether which > > would otherwise exist where the matter is has been displaced. The > > aether is not at rest when displaced and pushes back in an attempt to > > return to a state of rest. This pressure the displaced aether exerts > > back towards the matter is gravity. > > > When Einstein discusses the state of the aether is determined by the > > connections with matter and the state of the aether in neighboring > > places, that is the aether's state of displacement.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > >
From: NoEinstein on 13 Dec 2009 20:49 On Dec 11, 7:40 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Dear mpc755: There is a greater ether density next to objects including the clean edges of slits. The closer photons or charged particles come to the edge, the greater will be the drag by the ether thats there, which causes the photons or charged particles to deviate from their courses in inverse proportion to how close such come to the edge. NoEinstein > > It makes no sense to say a C-60 molecule curves aether as it heads > towards the slits in a double slit experiment. The C-60 molecule > displaces aether as it heads towards the slits in a double slit > experiment. Does a moving boat curve the water in front of its bow or > does a moving boat displace the water in front of its bow. > > The density of matter can be variable because the nuclei of the atoms > that make up the matter can displace more aether. Again, if you have a > lead Jupiter and the real Jupiter, the nuclei of the lead Jupiter > occupy more three dimensional space per volume than the nuclei of the > atoms which make up the real Jupiter. > > There is less aether between the nuclei of the lead Jupiter than there > is between the nuclei of the real Jupiter. Aether exists where matter > does not. Yes, aether and matter are the same stuff, but I prefer the > definition of matter to be the nuclei of atoms and the three > dimensional space they occupy and the aether to be the stuff that > exists everywhere the nuclei of atoms do not (excluding a discussion > of neutron stars and black holes at this point). So, beside black > holes, there is matter (mostly consisting of the nuclei of atoms) and > aether (which fills the spaces between the nuclei of the atoms). > > So, the larger the nuclei of atoms and the closer they are together in > three dimensional space, the less aether there exists between the > nuclei of the atoms and the denser the matter is. The smaller the > nuclei of atoms are and the further apart from one another they are > the less dense the matter is and the more aether which exists between > the nuclei. > > Now, when light bends around the Sun, I prefer to consider the light > to be bending due to the displacement of the aether. The aether > closest to the surface of the Sun is displaced the most and the > neighboring aether is less displaced, and the neighboring aether to > that aether is less displaced, and so on. There does not need to be a > 'density' of the aether involved in terms of its ability to bend light > and to have increased gravitational effects. It just needs to be a > matter of the amount of displacement which becomes an amount of > pressure against the displacement. > > But, aether is compressed into matter. There is a difference between > the states of matter, the density of matter, and the density of the > aether. The density of matter is the amount of, or lack of, aether > which exists between the nuclei of the atoms which is the matter. > Matter can be compressed and uncompressed (aether). But, I would > prefer not to apply the property of density to aether.
From: mpc755 on 13 Dec 2009 20:55 On Dec 13, 8:42 pm, NoEinstein <noeinst...(a)bellsouth.net> wrote: > On Dec 10, 11:01 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Dear mpc755: Some of your quickly-scanned mumblings sound like a vain > attempt to paraphrase what I myself have said, and to put your own > spin on my new science TRUTHS. Some people might be flattered by such > imitation. But when science is explained in its simplest and most > easily understood form, no variant explanations are needed. > NoEinstein > I first proposed the concept of Spacial Displacement some 20 years ago. I do not know why you are saying I am paraphrasing what you have said, because from the little I have seen of what you have said, you are saying gravity is related to ether flow. Matter displaces the aether and the aether is not at rest when displaced, it pushes back. The pressure the aether exerts back towards the matter is gravity. There is a connectedness between matter and the aether and the aether is entrained by the Earth, but this entrainment is not responsible for gravity. If you want to discuss your concept of gravity, please do so, on your own thread. > > > > Please don't go there. > > > It makes no sense to say a C-60 molecule curves aether as it heads > > towards the slits in a double slit experiment. The C-60 molecule > > displaces aether as it heads towards the slits in a double slit > > experiment. Does a moving boat curve the water in front of its bow or > > does a moving boat displace the water in front of its bow. > > > The density of matter can be variable because the nuclei of the atoms > > that make up the matter can displace more aether. Again, if you have a > > lead Jupiter and the real Jupiter, the nuclei of the lead Jupiter > > occupy more three dimensional space per volume than the nuclei of the > > atoms which make up the real Jupiter. > > > There is less aether between the nuclei of the lead Jupiter than there > > is between the nuclei of the real Jupiter. Aether exists where matter > > does not. Yes, aether and matter are the same stuff, but I prefer the > > definition of matter to be the nuclei of atoms and the three > > dimensional space they occupy and the aether to be the stuff that > > exists everywhere the nuclei of atoms do not (excluding a discussion > > of neutron stars and black holes at this point). So, beside black > > holes, there is matter (mostly consisting of the nuclei of atoms) and > > aether (which fills the spaces between the nuclei of the atoms). > > > So, the larger the nuclei of atoms and the closer they are together in > > three dimensional space, the less aether there exists between the > > nuclei of the atoms and the denser the matter is. The smaller the > > nuclei of atoms are and the further apart from one another they are > > the less dense the matter is and the more aether which exists between > > the nuclei. > > > Now, when light bends around the Sun, I prefer to consider the light > > to be bending due to the displacement of the aether. The aether > > closest to the surface of the Sun is displaced the most and the > > neighboring aether is less displaced, and the neighboring aether to > > that aether is less displaced, and so on. There does not need to be a > > 'density' of the aether involved in terms of its ability to bend light > > and to have increased gravitational effects. It just needs to be a > > matter of the amount of displacement which becomes an amount of > > pressure against the displacement. > > > But, aether is compressed into matter. There is a difference between > > the states of matter, the density of matter, and the density of the > > aether. The density of matter is the amount of, or lack of, aether > > which exists between the nuclei of the atoms which is the matter. > > Matter can be compressed and uncompressed (aether). But, I would > > prefer not to apply the property of density to aether. > >
From: BURT on 13 Dec 2009 20:59
On Dec 13, 5:32 pm, NoEinstein <noeinst...(a)bellsouth.net> wrote: > On Dec 10, 10:45 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Dec 10, 7:40 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Dec 10, 10:28 pm, NoEinstein <noeinst...(a)bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > > > On Dec 9, 12:22 pm, glird <gl...(a)aol.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Dec 8, 4:15 pm, mpc755 wrote: > > > > > On Dec 8, 1:49 pm, NoEinstein wrote:>< Dear glird: Your opening statement seems to say... > > > > > > "When ether is moved, it doesn't rest." (That's quite 'profound', > > > > > but probably not what you thought you were saying.) Gravity, indeed, > > > > > relates to what happens with the ether. {1} "Varying ether flow and > > > > > density", even within matter, is the MECHANISM of gravity. {2} Matter > > > > > doesn't displace ether {3}, it admits the ether in proportion to the > > > > > internal loss of ether from light or heat emissions. {4} Flowing ether > > > > > (gravity) is slowed in passing through matter in direct proportion to > > > > > the atomic weight of the matter. {5} > > > > > > 1. YES. > > > > > 2. No. > > > > > 3. Wrong! Even an atom displaces the background matter, > > > > > 4. Where did you get the idea that the emission of light or heat is > > > > > associated with the internal loss of ether in the source-body? Even > > > > > though that is correct!!! (see "the flower" - an equation for the > > > > > value of Planck's quantum of action, h) it has nothing to do with > > > > > ether flowing back. Indeed, if the amount of ether that flowed in was > > > > > equal to the amount that flowed out, then neither light nor heat nor > > > > > anything else would be emitted. > > > > > 5. Every part of that statement is false. > > > > > > mpc: The 'aether is not at rest when displaced' is my statement, not > > > > > glird's. glird and I have similar concepts about how aether (or if I > > > > > can interpret glird's preferred description of 'empty space', 'matter > > > > > in its base state') is displaced by matter. > > > > > When you say, 'Flowing ether (gravity) is slowed down in passing > > > > > through matter in direct proportion to the atomic weight of the > > > > > matter', that is Aether Displacement. > > > > > > > It is false regardless of how it is said. > > > > > Gravity is not an aether flow nor is it caused by aether flowing > > > > > through or past particles. Indeed, in the dilute vacuum of outer space > > > > > there is such an ENORMOUS number of atoms per square cm that there is > > > > > no place where even a small unit such as a molecule could displace > > > > > matter in its base (i.e. non-particulate) state. > > > > > (Actually, at subatomic levels of size there is no such thing as a > > > > > homogenous material. That's why Einstein was right in using deltax'/ > > > > > delta/x instead of dx'/dx. It's also why, however, there is no such > > > > > thing at any level of size as an inertially moving system! > > > > > And THAT - believe it or not - is why the "Restricted" theory of > > > > > relativity is and always was a figment of the imagination; while GR, > > > > > which maps the structure and rates of actions at ALL levels of size, > > > > > actually does fit physical reality. > > > > > > mpc: What happens to the aether in front of the C-60 molecule that is > > > > > being 'slowed down' by the C-60 molecule? It is being displaced by the > > > > > C-60 molecule. {1} > > > > > Think about what you are saying as to 'Flowing ether is slowed down > > > > > by passing through matter' and relate that to a boat and its bow wave. > > > > > {2} If the boat had tiny holes drilled throughout it where some of the > > > > > water was able to pass through the boat, the water which was 'slowed > > > > > down' > > > > > relative to the boat is the bow wave. {3} > > > > > The same thing occurs when a C-60 molecule is used in a double slit > > > > > experiment. Some small amount of aether may be flowing through the > > > > > C-60 molecule, but the great majority of aether is being displaced by > > > > > the moving C-60 molecule. {3a} > > > > > In Aether Displacement, the C-60 molecule is always detected exiting > > > > > a single slit because it always exits a single slit {4} and it is the > > > > > displacement wave (i.e. bow wave) the C-60 molecule creates in the > > > > > aether which enters and exits multiple slits. (5) > > > > > > 1. When a molecule moves it displaces the material filling he local > > > > > space. in the process of being displaced, the material flows around > > > > > the molecule or any other discrete moving object. > > > > > 2. Yes, that displaced material is analogous to a bow wave, but it had > > > > > speeded up rather than slowed down in the process of passing the > > > > > boat. > > > > > On the atomic scale of size, there are several other things that > > > > > happen as a consequence of that process. One is that the density > > > > > changes in the displaced matter and as that happens so does the > > > > > pressure. Another is that the direction of a vector representing the > > > > > pressure against the sides of a moving object has 2 components, one > > > > > perpendicular to the surface and the other aslant. Therefore the net > > > > > pressure against the surface of a displacing object will have dropped, > > > > > compared to the wider field, so matter will be pushed toward that > > > > > surface from BOTH sides, the outside and the inside. THAT is the > > > > > mechanism by which atoms form. > > > > > 3. A molecule has no holes. > > > > > It has a surface tension layer that is denser than that of the > > > > > material it surrounds and FAR denser than the outside material through > > > > > which it is able to move. > > > > > 3a. ALL of the surrounding ether is displaced. Even so, because all > > > > > matter is compressible, the amount of that displacement per unit > > > > > volume rapidly decreases as the distance from the displacing surface > > > > > increases. > > > > > 4. At best, the word "always" renders that entire sentence a > > > > > tautology. {At worst, if "the C-60 molecule is always detected > > > > > exiting a single slit because it always exits a single slit" then "In > > > > > Aether Displacement" is irrelevant.} > > > > > 5. Yes, but... > > > > > > glird > > > > > Nice try, fellow, but ether is what matter is made of and ether fills > > > > the spaces where the electrons fly! NE > > > > Yes, you, I, and glird are in agreement aether is matter and matter is > > > aether.- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > Aether isn't the only substance of the universe. > > > Mitch Raemsch- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > Burt: Ether is the mother energy of all that you call substances in > the Universe. NE - Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - That would be like chemistry. No. The energy and aether substances are together in immaterial space. All of these substances flow can flow. Mitch Raemsch |