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From: Huang on 13 Dec 2009 20:21 On Dec 13, 6:41 pm, glird <gl...(a)aol.com> wrote: > On Dec 13, 7:19 pm, Huang wrote:> On Dec 13, 12:50 pm, mpc755 wrote: > > > Wave-Particle Duality is explained. The moving particle creates a displacement wave in the substance of space. > > >< So - why do interference patterns disappear after you ask "which way"?? > > What happened to the displacement wave ? Where did it go? > Asking "which way" seems to destroy the interference pattern, and > therefore the waves. Why would that happen? > I have an explanation, but I don't think that you read it. > > > Please post it; and do so under a new posting. (This one is getting > so long that it's a nuisance to wait for the "newer" bunches of 25 > each to get to the one(s) worth reading.) Posting an answer here, but also in a new thread titled "Aether Displacement Rebuttal" mpc755 tried to explain WP Duality in terms of aether waves, but cannot explain what happens to the wave when we ask "which way" and interference patterns diasppear. Where did the wave go ? The answer to this problem is that space is neither continuous nor discrete, but indeterminately either one or the other. It is indeterminate whether it is continuous or discrete. How can that be ? Consider 2 lengths A and B. A is existent, B is nonexistent. Let A be eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Let B be nnnnnnnnnn If you compose them into a single length, there is no way to know where the nnnnnnnnnn is located. It's position is indeterminate. You can rearrange things so that the composition of A and B is either continuous or discrete, and because nnnnnnnnnn is nonexistent the distinction between continuity and discreteness becomes trivial. We must assume that particles are composed of bent space - just like gravity in GR. Then, it becomes very obvious why the WP Duality is perfectly sensible. If one asks "which way" in a given context, then nature returns an answer in the format that you had requested - it is discretized. If you dont ask which way, then space will be forced to behave as if continuous and you will observe interference patterns. But the only way to make LENGTH behave that way is by composing the existent with the nonexistent. Length cannot be made to behave that way by any other means (that I am aware of).
From: NoEinstein on 13 Dec 2009 20:23 On Dec 10, 10:34 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Dear mpc755: You are free to push your own science theories. I'm contented to push my science FACTS. Varying ether flow and density explains gravity. Einstein didn't know that, nor do you. Let time and history prove who's right. Bantering with you accomplishes nothing. NoEinstein > > On Dec 10, 10:25 pm, NoEinstein <noeinst...(a)bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > On Dec 8, 7:05 pm, "Inertial" <relativ...(a)rest.com> wrote: > > > > >> > Gravity, indeed, relates to what > > > >> > happens with the ether > > > > So why, if there are two masses sitting in space, does the 'aether' make > > > them accelerate toward each other. But if there is one object, it just sits > > > there. if anything, the presence of one mass displacing aether would push > > > the other object away, not bring them closer. > > > Dear Inertial: Any two objects in space that are above absolute zero > > temperature will exchange radiant energy. That replaces the energy on > > the facing sides that is constantly being lost through radiation. But > > it doesn't replace the energy being lost on the opposing sides. > > Because the opposing sides are deficient in energy, the ether pressure > > pushes on the opposing sides more than on the facing sides causing the > > two objects to move closer together. Ether flow of this nature is > > closely analogous to weather systems of highs and lows. The most wind > > goes where the pressure is the lowest. The ether "wind" effectively > > pushes the objects together! NoEinstein > > Incorrect, but close. It is not the ether 'wind' which pushes the > objects together. It is the aether's state of displacement. > > 'Ether and the Theory of Relativity by Albert Einstein'http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Extras/Einstein_ether.html > > "the state of the [ether] is at every place determined by connections > with the matter and the state of the ether in neighbouring places" > > Since the matter exists in three dimensional space, the aether which > would otherwise exist where the matter is has been displaced. The > aether is not at rest when displaced and pushes back in an attempt to > return to a state of rest. This pressure the displaced aether exerts > back towards the matter is gravity. > > When Einstein discusses the state of the aether is determined by the > connections with matter and the state of the aether in neighboring > places, that is the aether's state of displacement.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
From: NoEinstein on 13 Dec 2009 20:30 On Dec 10, 10:40 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > Dear Burt: Matter is simply a tangle of ether which resists (but doesn't stop) the flow of more ether through it. The latter is the gravity mechanism. IOTAs are the smallest energy unit within the ether, and such can't produce any new ether forms. You are confusing String Theory nonsense with my new science FACTS. NoEinstein > > On Dec 10, 7:28 pm, NoEinstein <noeinst...(a)bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > On Dec 9, 12:22 pm, glird <gl...(a)aol.com> wrote: > > > > On Dec 8, 4:15 pm, mpc755 wrote: > > > On Dec 8, 1:49 pm, NoEinstein wrote:>< Dear glird: Your opening statement seems to say... > > > > "When ether is moved, it doesn't rest." (That's quite 'profound', > > > but probably not what you thought you were saying.) Gravity, indeed, > > > relates to what happens with the ether. {1} "Varying ether flow and > > > density", even within matter, is the MECHANISM of gravity. {2} Matter > > > doesn't displace ether {3}, it admits the ether in proportion to the > > > internal loss of ether from light or heat emissions. {4} Flowing ether > > > (gravity) is slowed in passing through matter in direct proportion to > > > the atomic weight of the matter. {5} > > > > 1. YES. > > > 2. No. > > > 3. Wrong! Even an atom displaces the background matter, > > > 4. Where did you get the idea that the emission of light or heat is > > > associated with the internal loss of ether in the source-body? Even > > > though that is correct!!! (see "the flower" - an equation for the > > > value of Planck's quantum of action, h) it has nothing to do with > > > ether flowing back. Indeed, if the amount of ether that flowed in was > > > equal to the amount that flowed out, then neither light nor heat nor > > > anything else would be emitted. > > > 5. Every part of that statement is false. > > > > mpc: The 'aether is not at rest when displaced' is my statement, not > > > glird's. glird and I have similar concepts about how aether (or if I > > > can interpret glird's preferred description of 'empty space', 'matter > > > in its base state') is displaced by matter. > > > When you say, 'Flowing ether (gravity) is slowed down in passing > > > through matter in direct proportion to the atomic weight of the > > > matter', that is Aether Displacement. > > > > > It is false regardless of how it is said. > > > Gravity is not an aether flow nor is it caused by aether flowing > > > through or past particles. Indeed, in the dilute vacuum of outer space > > > there is such an ENORMOUS number of atoms per square cm that there is > > > no place where even a small unit such as a molecule could displace > > > matter in its base (i.e. non-particulate) state. > > > (Actually, at subatomic levels of size there is no such thing as a > > > homogenous material. That's why Einstein was right in using deltax'/ > > > delta/x instead of dx'/dx. It's also why, however, there is no such > > > thing at any level of size as an inertially moving system! > > > And THAT - believe it or not - is why the "Restricted" theory of > > > relativity is and always was a figment of the imagination; while GR, > > > which maps the structure and rates of actions at ALL levels of size, > > > actually does fit physical reality. > > > > mpc: What happens to the aether in front of the C-60 molecule that is > > > being 'slowed down' by the C-60 molecule? It is being displaced by the > > > C-60 molecule. {1} > > > Think about what you are saying as to 'Flowing ether is slowed down > > > by passing through matter' and relate that to a boat and its bow wave.. > > > {2} If the boat had tiny holes drilled throughout it where some of the > > > water was able to pass through the boat, the water which was 'slowed > > > down' > > > relative to the boat is the bow wave. {3} > > > The same thing occurs when a C-60 molecule is used in a double slit > > > experiment. Some small amount of aether may be flowing through the > > > C-60 molecule, but the great majority of aether is being displaced by > > > the moving C-60 molecule. {3a} > > > In Aether Displacement, the C-60 molecule is always detected exiting > > > a single slit because it always exits a single slit {4} and it is the > > > displacement wave (i.e. bow wave) the C-60 molecule creates in the > > > aether which enters and exits multiple slits. (5) > > > > 1. When a molecule moves it displaces the material filling he local > > > space. in the process of being displaced, the material flows around > > > the molecule or any other discrete moving object. > > > 2. Yes, that displaced material is analogous to a bow wave, but it had > > > speeded up rather than slowed down in the process of passing the > > > boat. > > > On the atomic scale of size, there are several other things that > > > happen as a consequence of that process. One is that the density > > > changes in the displaced matter and as that happens so does the > > > pressure. Another is that the direction of a vector representing the > > > pressure against the sides of a moving object has 2 components, one > > > perpendicular to the surface and the other aslant. Therefore the net > > > pressure against the surface of a displacing object will have dropped, > > > compared to the wider field, so matter will be pushed toward that > > > surface from BOTH sides, the outside and the inside. THAT is the > > > mechanism by which atoms form. > > > 3. A molecule has no holes. > > > It has a surface tension layer that is denser than that of the > > > material it surrounds and FAR denser than the outside material through > > > which it is able to move. > > > 3a. ALL of the surrounding ether is displaced. Even so, because all > > > matter is compressible, the amount of that displacement per unit > > > volume rapidly decreases as the distance from the displacing surface > > > increases. > > > 4. At best, the word "always" renders that entire sentence a > > > tautology. {At worst, if "the C-60 molecule is always detected > > > exiting a single slit because it always exits a single slit" then "In > > > Aether Displacement" is irrelevant.} > > > 5. Yes, but... > > > > glird > > > Nice try, fellow, but ether is what matter is made of and ether fills > > the spaces where the electrons fly! NE - Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > Everything has its own aether. There are even aethers that produce > other aethers. > > Mitch Raemsch- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
From: NoEinstein on 13 Dec 2009 20:30 On Dec 10, 10:40 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Dec 10, 10:28 pm, NoEinstein <noeinst...(a)bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > > > > > On Dec 9, 12:22 pm, glird <gl...(a)aol.com> wrote: > > > > On Dec 8, 4:15 pm, mpc755 wrote: > > > On Dec 8, 1:49 pm, NoEinstein wrote:>< Dear glird: Your opening statement seems to say... > > > > "When ether is moved, it doesn't rest." (That's quite 'profound', > > > but probably not what you thought you were saying.) Gravity, indeed, > > > relates to what happens with the ether. {1} "Varying ether flow and > > > density", even within matter, is the MECHANISM of gravity. {2} Matter > > > doesn't displace ether {3}, it admits the ether in proportion to the > > > internal loss of ether from light or heat emissions. {4} Flowing ether > > > (gravity) is slowed in passing through matter in direct proportion to > > > the atomic weight of the matter. {5} > > > > 1. YES. > > > 2. No. > > > 3. Wrong! Even an atom displaces the background matter, > > > 4. Where did you get the idea that the emission of light or heat is > > > associated with the internal loss of ether in the source-body? Even > > > though that is correct!!! (see "the flower" - an equation for the > > > value of Planck's quantum of action, h) it has nothing to do with > > > ether flowing back. Indeed, if the amount of ether that flowed in was > > > equal to the amount that flowed out, then neither light nor heat nor > > > anything else would be emitted. > > > 5. Every part of that statement is false. > > > > mpc: The 'aether is not at rest when displaced' is my statement, not > > > glird's. glird and I have similar concepts about how aether (or if I > > > can interpret glird's preferred description of 'empty space', 'matter > > > in its base state') is displaced by matter. > > > When you say, 'Flowing ether (gravity) is slowed down in passing > > > through matter in direct proportion to the atomic weight of the > > > matter', that is Aether Displacement. > > > > > It is false regardless of how it is said. > > > Gravity is not an aether flow nor is it caused by aether flowing > > > through or past particles. Indeed, in the dilute vacuum of outer space > > > there is such an ENORMOUS number of atoms per square cm that there is > > > no place where even a small unit such as a molecule could displace > > > matter in its base (i.e. non-particulate) state. > > > (Actually, at subatomic levels of size there is no such thing as a > > > homogenous material. That's why Einstein was right in using deltax'/ > > > delta/x instead of dx'/dx. It's also why, however, there is no such > > > thing at any level of size as an inertially moving system! > > > And THAT - believe it or not - is why the "Restricted" theory of > > > relativity is and always was a figment of the imagination; while GR, > > > which maps the structure and rates of actions at ALL levels of size, > > > actually does fit physical reality. > > > > mpc: What happens to the aether in front of the C-60 molecule that is > > > being 'slowed down' by the C-60 molecule? It is being displaced by the > > > C-60 molecule. {1} > > > Think about what you are saying as to 'Flowing ether is slowed down > > > by passing through matter' and relate that to a boat and its bow wave.. > > > {2} If the boat had tiny holes drilled throughout it where some of the > > > water was able to pass through the boat, the water which was 'slowed > > > down' > > > relative to the boat is the bow wave. {3} > > > The same thing occurs when a C-60 molecule is used in a double slit > > > experiment. Some small amount of aether may be flowing through the > > > C-60 molecule, but the great majority of aether is being displaced by > > > the moving C-60 molecule. {3a} > > > In Aether Displacement, the C-60 molecule is always detected exiting > > > a single slit because it always exits a single slit {4} and it is the > > > displacement wave (i.e. bow wave) the C-60 molecule creates in the > > > aether which enters and exits multiple slits. (5) > > > > 1. When a molecule moves it displaces the material filling he local > > > space. in the process of being displaced, the material flows around > > > the molecule or any other discrete moving object. > > > 2. Yes, that displaced material is analogous to a bow wave, but it had > > > speeded up rather than slowed down in the process of passing the > > > boat. > > > On the atomic scale of size, there are several other things that > > > happen as a consequence of that process. One is that the density > > > changes in the displaced matter and as that happens so does the > > > pressure. Another is that the direction of a vector representing the > > > pressure against the sides of a moving object has 2 components, one > > > perpendicular to the surface and the other aslant. Therefore the net > > > pressure against the surface of a displacing object will have dropped, > > > compared to the wider field, so matter will be pushed toward that > > > surface from BOTH sides, the outside and the inside. THAT is the > > > mechanism by which atoms form. > > > 3. A molecule has no holes. > > > It has a surface tension layer that is denser than that of the > > > material it surrounds and FAR denser than the outside material through > > > which it is able to move. > > > 3a. ALL of the surrounding ether is displaced. Even so, because all > > > matter is compressible, the amount of that displacement per unit > > > volume rapidly decreases as the distance from the displacing surface > > > increases. > > > 4. At best, the word "always" renders that entire sentence a > > > tautology. {At worst, if "the C-60 molecule is always detected > > > exiting a single slit because it always exits a single slit" then "In > > > Aether Displacement" is irrelevant.} > > > 5. Yes, but... > > > > glird > > > Nice try, fellow, but ether is what matter is made of and ether fills > > the spaces where the electrons fly! NE > > Yes, you, I, and glird are in agreement aether is matter and matter is > aether.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Fine! NE
From: NoEinstein on 13 Dec 2009 20:32
On Dec 10, 10:45 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Dec 10, 7:40 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Dec 10, 10:28 pm, NoEinstein <noeinst...(a)bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > > On Dec 9, 12:22 pm, glird <gl...(a)aol.com> wrote: > > > > > On Dec 8, 4:15 pm, mpc755 wrote: > > > > On Dec 8, 1:49 pm, NoEinstein wrote:>< Dear glird: Your opening statement seems to say... > > > > > "When ether is moved, it doesn't rest." (That's quite 'profound', > > > > but probably not what you thought you were saying.) Gravity, indeed, > > > > relates to what happens with the ether. {1} "Varying ether flow and > > > > density", even within matter, is the MECHANISM of gravity. {2} Matter > > > > doesn't displace ether {3}, it admits the ether in proportion to the > > > > internal loss of ether from light or heat emissions. {4} Flowing ether > > > > (gravity) is slowed in passing through matter in direct proportion to > > > > the atomic weight of the matter. {5} > > > > > 1. YES. > > > > 2. No. > > > > 3. Wrong! Even an atom displaces the background matter, > > > > 4. Where did you get the idea that the emission of light or heat is > > > > associated with the internal loss of ether in the source-body? Even > > > > though that is correct!!! (see "the flower" - an equation for the > > > > value of Planck's quantum of action, h) it has nothing to do with > > > > ether flowing back. Indeed, if the amount of ether that flowed in was > > > > equal to the amount that flowed out, then neither light nor heat nor > > > > anything else would be emitted. > > > > 5. Every part of that statement is false. > > > > > mpc: The 'aether is not at rest when displaced' is my statement, not > > > > glird's. glird and I have similar concepts about how aether (or if I > > > > can interpret glird's preferred description of 'empty space', 'matter > > > > in its base state') is displaced by matter. > > > > When you say, 'Flowing ether (gravity) is slowed down in passing > > > > through matter in direct proportion to the atomic weight of the > > > > matter', that is Aether Displacement. > > > > > > It is false regardless of how it is said. > > > > Gravity is not an aether flow nor is it caused by aether flowing > > > > through or past particles. Indeed, in the dilute vacuum of outer space > > > > there is such an ENORMOUS number of atoms per square cm that there is > > > > no place where even a small unit such as a molecule could displace > > > > matter in its base (i.e. non-particulate) state. > > > > (Actually, at subatomic levels of size there is no such thing as a > > > > homogenous material. That's why Einstein was right in using deltax'/ > > > > delta/x instead of dx'/dx. It's also why, however, there is no such > > > > thing at any level of size as an inertially moving system! > > > > And THAT - believe it or not - is why the "Restricted" theory of > > > > relativity is and always was a figment of the imagination; while GR, > > > > which maps the structure and rates of actions at ALL levels of size, > > > > actually does fit physical reality. > > > > > mpc: What happens to the aether in front of the C-60 molecule that is > > > > being 'slowed down' by the C-60 molecule? It is being displaced by the > > > > C-60 molecule. {1} > > > > Think about what you are saying as to 'Flowing ether is slowed down > > > > by passing through matter' and relate that to a boat and its bow wave. > > > > {2} If the boat had tiny holes drilled throughout it where some of the > > > > water was able to pass through the boat, the water which was 'slowed > > > > down' > > > > relative to the boat is the bow wave. {3} > > > > The same thing occurs when a C-60 molecule is used in a double slit > > > > experiment. Some small amount of aether may be flowing through the > > > > C-60 molecule, but the great majority of aether is being displaced by > > > > the moving C-60 molecule. {3a} > > > > In Aether Displacement, the C-60 molecule is always detected exiting > > > > a single slit because it always exits a single slit {4} and it is the > > > > displacement wave (i.e. bow wave) the C-60 molecule creates in the > > > > aether which enters and exits multiple slits. (5) > > > > > 1. When a molecule moves it displaces the material filling he local > > > > space. in the process of being displaced, the material flows around > > > > the molecule or any other discrete moving object. > > > > 2. Yes, that displaced material is analogous to a bow wave, but it had > > > > speeded up rather than slowed down in the process of passing the > > > > boat. > > > > On the atomic scale of size, there are several other things that > > > > happen as a consequence of that process. One is that the density > > > > changes in the displaced matter and as that happens so does the > > > > pressure. Another is that the direction of a vector representing the > > > > pressure against the sides of a moving object has 2 components, one > > > > perpendicular to the surface and the other aslant. Therefore the net > > > > pressure against the surface of a displacing object will have dropped, > > > > compared to the wider field, so matter will be pushed toward that > > > > surface from BOTH sides, the outside and the inside. THAT is the > > > > mechanism by which atoms form. > > > > 3. A molecule has no holes. > > > > It has a surface tension layer that is denser than that of the > > > > material it surrounds and FAR denser than the outside material through > > > > which it is able to move. > > > > 3a. ALL of the surrounding ether is displaced. Even so, because all > > > > matter is compressible, the amount of that displacement per unit > > > > volume rapidly decreases as the distance from the displacing surface > > > > increases. > > > > 4. At best, the word "always" renders that entire sentence a > > > > tautology. {At worst, if "the C-60 molecule is always detected > > > > exiting a single slit because it always exits a single slit" then "In > > > > Aether Displacement" is irrelevant.} > > > > 5. Yes, but... > > > > > glird > > > > Nice try, fellow, but ether is what matter is made of and ether fills > > > the spaces where the electrons fly! NE > > > Yes, you, I, and glird are in agreement aether is matter and matter is > > aether.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > Aether isn't the only substance of the universe. > > Mitch Raemsch- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Burt: Ether is the mother energy of all that you call substances in the Universe. NE |