And another refuting experiment for the formula E=hf as the definition of a' single photon' energy
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From: Igor on 11 Apr 2010 09:27 On Apr 10, 10:58 pm, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Apr 10, 6:31 pm, Igor <thoov...(a)excite.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Apr 10, 12:09 am, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > lets take a light torch that emits only monochromatic light with > > > frequency f1 > > > > take it on an airplane that will fly say 20 km above earth in a day > > > of very **dusty air **!! > > > 2 > > > send a beam from that torch towards earth > > > and detect its frequency > > > ***to remain f1 ***!! > > > > the TOTAL energy that was sent from the airplane * was* > > > E1 > > > so E1 =hf1 > > > ----- > > > > since it was through dusty air > > > > it is obvious that the TOTAL amount of energy that > > > was*** received on earth** > > > from the airplane > > > is E2 < E1 > > > > BUT THE ITS FREQUENCY REMAINS f1 !! > > > so what did we got here ?? (:-) > > > > E2 = hf1 > > > E1 =hf1 > > > > E2 =E1 =hf ????!!! > > > or may be > > > E2 > E1 ??? > > > > in short > > > > hf CANNOT BE THE DEFINITION OF A **SINGLE PHOTON *** ENERGY !!! > > > > please note the term ** A SINGLE PHOTON !!!** > > > > E=hf as the definition of a single photon energy - > > > IS REFUTED by experimental data !!! > > > > btw > > > that is not ***the only** refutation > > > by experimental data > > > of E=hf > > > as the definition of *a single photon energy * > > > it is just one example of it !! > > > > TIA > > > Y.Porat > > > copyright > > > 10 - 4-2010 > > > ------------------------------------ > > > Maybe you need to stop confusing total wave energy with photon > > energy. The total wave energy received at the surface would be less > > than emitted, but that's only because photons are absorbed along the > > way. For a monochromatic beam, all photons would still carry the same > > amount of energy. Hang it up, Borat. You'll never get it. > > --------------- > we will see who will never get it > > Igor as i understand your definition of a single photon > energy is > E=hf That's correct, but that's not necessarily the total energy of the wave, Borat. The wave may be made up of more than one photon. > ok i dont blame you you are a common parrot And you're a common bullshitter. > now please tell us > what t is the definition of > f from that hf ?? It's the frequency of the wave. But hf is only the energy of a single photon. Not necessarily the total energy of the wave. It's as simple as that. If you can't grasp that elementary notion, there's no further use of even trying to discuss this with you and your brain damage. ..
From: Y.Porat on 11 Apr 2010 10:27 On Apr 11, 3:27 pm, Igor <tho And you're a common bullshitter. > > > now please tell us > > what t is the definition of > > f from that hf ?? -------------------- it seems that you have some difficulty in defining f so i will help you a bit here is the quote from Vilkipedia: quote Frequency is the number of occurrences of a repeating event per unit time. It is also referred to as temporal frequency. The period is the duration of one cycle in a repeating event, so the period is the reciprocal of the frequency. end of quote: so f is Frequency is the number of occurrences of a repeating event per unit time. !!! so as far as i know the unit of time FOR ALL SYSTEMS IS A SECOND ! right ?? ------------ > It's the frequency of the wave. But hf is only the energy of a single > photon. ----------------- and that is exactly what we try to find out BTW i could ask you right now did anyone ever detected the energy of a single photon?? for me it is a rhetoric question so lets leave it as for now i promise you that we will get to it later !! ------------- now you say that actually we deal with a huge number of single photons did i ever said some thing else ??.... anyway the formal definition of a single photon as we saw just above is E=hf rigtht ?? and E=hf IS **ONE SECOND DEPENDENT** AND **TIME DEPENDENT AS WELL!!* right ? that is accepted by you at least theoretically as well right?? so let us keep you understanding of the single photon energy as defined by E=hf and let us go to the practical world ok ?? you say that actually we deal with a huge number of single photons i agree! you say that it is **waves* ok waives of EM are photons as well ...right ?? now did you ever hear that photon energy **even for a huge number (bunch ) of single photons ** is detected and measured-- during MUCH LESS THAN ONE SECOND ?!!!! TIA Y.Porat -------------------------
From: Inertial on 11 Apr 2010 08:07 "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:632304d8-38a6-4c5f-97ec-d564f6c2e5e0(a)30g2000yqi.googlegroups.com... > On Apr 10, 1:48 pm, "Inertial" <relativ. >> > >> >> >> > That is > correct, though you fo >> >> --------------------------- >> >> nasty pig!! >> >> we are not on the Josef Goebbels >> >> fish market!! >> >> we are dealing with exact figures!! >> >> not abstract hand waving >> >> >> 'HOW LONG IT TAKES IT TO BE DETECTED' >> >> ?? !!! >> >> THAT ANSWER IS NOT AN ANSWER OF AN HONEST PERSON !! >> >> ------------ >> > and i addition to the above >> > the nasty pig CROOK OBFUSCATOR >> >> That's you again >> >> > is diverting the issue >> >> Nope .. I'm addressing it >> >> > to how long i takes to CREATE a >> > SINGLE photon >> >> And destroy. That is important to know. Though seeing it is created in >> an >> instant and destroyed in an instant (or within a single quantum of time >> if >> time is quantized), it doesn't play much part in how long it take to >> detect > > ---------------------- > Nazi pig Who? You? > didi you forgot your definition of a single photon > energy You mean the what was found by Planck and experimentally verified.? > as hf ?? No .. why would I forget it? I'm not the one going senile. I've been telling you it for weeks and weeks.
From: Y.Porat on 12 Apr 2010 03:50 On Apr 11, 2:07 pm, "Inertial" <relativ...(a)rest.com> wrote: > "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > news:632304d8-38a6-4c5f-97ec-d564f6c2e5e0(a)30g2000yqi.googlegroups.com... > > > > > On Apr 10, 1:48 pm, "Inertial" <relativ. >> > >> >> >> > That is > > correct, though you fo > >> >> --------------------------- > >> >> nasty pig!! > >> >> we are not on the Josef Goebbels > >> >> fish market!! > >> >> we are dealing with exact figures!! > >> >> not abstract hand waving > > >> >> 'HOW LONG IT TAKES IT TO BE DETECTED' > >> >> ?? !!! > >> >> THAT ANSWER IS NOT AN ANSWER OF AN HONEST PERSON !! > >> >> ------------ > >> > and i addition to the above > >> > the nasty pig CROOK OBFUSCATOR > > >> That's you again > > >> > is diverting the issue > > >> Nope .. I'm addressing it > > >> > to how long i takes to CREATE a > >> > SINGLE photon > > >> And destroy. That is important to know. Though seeing it is created in > >> an > >> instant and destroyed in an instant (or within a single quantum of time > >> if > >> time is quantized), it doesn't play much part in how long it take to > >> detect > > > ---------------------- > > Nazi pig > > Who? You? > > > didi you forgot your definition of a single photon > > energy > > You mean the what was found by Planck and experimentally verified.? > > > as hf ?? > > No .. why would I forget it? I'm not the one going senile. I've been > telling you it for weeks and weeks. -------------------- Nazi psychopth lier pig go discuss with Josef Goebbels and let Igor to discuss physics (again **decent** physics !!) Y.P -------------------
From: Y.Porat on 12 Apr 2010 04:11
On Apr 12, 9:50 am, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Apr 11, 2:07 pm, "Inertial" <relativ...(a)rest.com> wrote: > > > > > "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > >news:632304d8-38a6-4c5f-97ec-d564f6c2e5e0(a)30g2000yqi.googlegroups.com... > > > > On Apr 10, 1:48 pm, "Inertial" <relativ. >> > >> >> >> > That is > > > correct, though you fo > > >> >> --------------------------- > > >> >> nasty pig!! > > >> >> we are not on the Josef Goebbels > > >> >> fish market!! > > >> >> we are dealing with exact figures!! > > >> >> not abstract hand waving > > > >> >> 'HOW LONG IT TAKES IT TO BE DETECTED' > > >> >> ?? !!! > > >> >> THAT ANSWER IS NOT AN ANSWER OF AN HONEST PERSON !! > > >> >> ------------ > > >> > and i addition to the above > > >> > the nasty pig CROOK OBFUSCATOR > > > >> That's you again > > > >> > is diverting the issue > > > >> Nope .. I'm addressing it > > > >> > to how long i takes to CREATE a > > >> > SINGLE photon > > > >> And destroy. That is important to know. Though seeing it is created in > > >> an > > >> instant and destroyed in an instant (or within a single quantum of time > > >> if > > >> time is quantized), it doesn't play much part in how long it take to > > >> detect > > > > ---------------------- > > > Nazi pig > > > Who? You? > > > > didi you forgot your definition of a single photon > > > energy > > > You mean the what was found by Planck and experimentally verified.? > > > > as hf ?? > > > No .. why would I forget it? I'm not the one going senile. I've been > > telling you it for weeks and weeks. > > -------------------- > Nazi psychopth lier pig > go discuss with Josef Goebbels > > and let Igor to discuss physics (again > **decent** physics !!) > Y.P > ------------------- andin addition the imbecile Nazi psyhopth idot does not understand that if E=hf is one second dependent and cant understand why f is a variableof time ( AGAIN = A VARIABLE FACTOR OF TIME - AFAIN - VARIABLE) sothe imbecilecan hold both definition 1 that eh E=hf as ther definition of A SINGLE PHOTION ENERGY and later gho one and try tostleal my suggestion that the real singl ephoton is much less than one second duration detected but much shorter time defined my led torch and photoelectric cell proves it clearly so it was me who fist time suggested the Plank time as the shoterst possible time duration for photon energy emission and it is all documented no fucken pig can say that 1 e = hf is the definition of as single photon and **on top of that ** say that it is ----- 2 E=hf ***times** plank time the money nazi has to decide if it is 1 or 2 (actually he cant decide because he is just a monkey thief and his confution and contradictions are recorded he relies on that thousands of readers are idiot that cannot follow his lies !! and his psychopath ness -------------------------- and still the shameless Nazi pig Goebbels does not understand untill now why it is not just the Plank time 'per se " even after all my spoon feedings that are recorded !! so a monkey thief can never be as the **original ** (and cheat the record ) so Nazi psychopath pig just stay away and let Igor to get in ------------------------- Y.P ------------------------ |