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From: xxein on 27 Nov 2009 19:19 On Nov 26, 11:33 pm, Darwin123 <drosen0...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Nov 26, 1:30 pm, funkenstein <luke.s...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > >http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/49288/title/Signature_of_a... > > > anybody have any clue what's going on here? Thanks :) > > Probably electron-positron pair production due to electrons hitting > ions and other electrons at high speed. The electric field in the > lightening bolt would produse enough acceleration to produce at least > some electron-positron pairs. > It take at least 511 KeV to produce an electron. It takes at > least 1022 KeV to produce an electron hole pair. A typical lightening > bolt starts out with a potential difference of a few million volts. > One electron, if it accelerated down the entire potential without > collision, could easily gain a kinetic energy of a few million > electron volts. > I doubt the electron could accelerate without collision in a > ground to cloud bolt. However, cluds reach pretty high. I suspect way > up there, where the air pressure is very low, an electron really could > accelerate to 1022 KeV. It then hits an oygen atom, which takes some > of the linear momentum out of the electron. And an electron-positron > pair is made. > Such an electron hole pair could be detected by gamma ray > emission. A positron goes into orbit around an electron, forming a > positronium. The positronium decays, producing a gamma ray. The > spectrum of the gamma rays would be very narrow at 511 KeV, producing > an unmistakable signature. > The problem with detecting such a thing is that gamma rays don't > move very far in the atmosphere. But I suspect there are ways around > the problem. > Could proton-antiproton pairs be made? Probably. Seems unlikely, > but anything is possible. You would need really high voltages in the > clouds. xxein: Non-informative speculation without reproducible results.
From: BURT on 27 Nov 2009 19:37 On Nov 27, 4:19 pm, xxein <xx...(a)comcast.net> wrote: > On Nov 26, 11:33 pm, Darwin123 <drosen0...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Nov 26, 1:30 pm, funkenstein <luke.s...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > >http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/49288/title/Signature_of_a.... > > > > anybody have any clue what's going on here? Thanks :) > > > Probably electron-positron pair production due to electrons hitting > > ions and other electrons at high speed. The electric field in the > > lightening bolt would produse enough acceleration to produce at least > > some electron-positron pairs. > > It take at least 511 KeV to produce an electron. It takes at > > least 1022 KeV to produce an electron hole pair. A typical lightening > > bolt starts out with a potential difference of a few million volts. > > One electron, if it accelerated down the entire potential without > > collision, could easily gain a kinetic energy of a few million > > electron volts. > > I doubt the electron could accelerate without collision in a > > ground to cloud bolt. However, cluds reach pretty high. I suspect way > > up there, where the air pressure is very low, an electron really could > > accelerate to 1022 KeV. It then hits an oygen atom, which takes some > > of the linear momentum out of the electron. And an electron-positron > > pair is made. > > Such an electron hole pair could be detected by gamma ray > > emission. A positron goes into orbit around an electron, forming a > > positronium. The positronium decays, producing a gamma ray. The > > spectrum of the gamma rays would be very narrow at 511 KeV, producing > > an unmistakable signature. > > The problem with detecting such a thing is that gamma rays don't > > move very far in the atmosphere. But I suspect there are ways around > > the problem. > > Could proton-antiproton pairs be made? Probably. Seems unlikely, > > but anything is possible. You would need really high voltages in the > > clouds. > > xxein: Non-informative speculation without reproducible results.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Anti protons cannot make it through the atmosphere. Mitch Raemsch
From: Enes on 29 Nov 2009 17:08 On 27 Lis, 05:33, Darwin123 <drosen0...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Nov 26, 1:30 pm, funkenstein <luke.s...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > >http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/49288/title/Signature_of_a... > > > anybody have any clue what's going on here? Thanks :) > > Probably electron-positron pair production due to electrons hitting > ions and other electrons at high speed. The electric field in the > lightening bolt would produse enough acceleration to produce at least > some electron-positron pairs. > It take at least 511 KeV to produce an electron. It takes at > least 1022 KeV to produce an electron hole pair. A typical lightening > bolt starts out with a potential difference of a few million volts. > One electron, if it accelerated down the entire potential without > collision, could easily gain a kinetic energy of a few million > electron volts. > I doubt the electron could accelerate without collision in a > ground to cloud bolt. However, cluds reach pretty high. I suspect way > up there, where the air pressure is very low, an electron really could > accelerate to 1022 KeV. It then hits an oygen atom, which takes some > of the linear momentum out of the electron. And an electron-positron > pair is made. > Such an electron hole pair could be detected by gamma ray > emission. A positron goes into orbit around an electron, forming a > positronium. The positronium decays, producing a gamma ray. The > spectrum of the gamma rays would be very narrow at 511 KeV, producing > an unmistakable signature. > The problem with detecting such a thing is that gamma rays don't > move very far in the atmosphere. But I suspect there are ways around > the problem. > Could proton-antiproton pairs be made? Probably. Seems unlikely, > but anything is possible. You would need really high voltages in the > clouds. An electrons leaving ions can be accelerated and some of them may change electric charge, like in atoms usually do. This is possible to explain thanks for electropositron hipothesis. Examples: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/browse_frm/thread/451f3af449c8bbbf/a45e29aad276402e?lnk=gst&q=Enes#a45e29aad276402e
From: BURT on 29 Nov 2009 17:34 On Nov 29, 2:08 pm, Enes <pies_na_teo...(a)vp.pl> wrote: > On 27 Lis, 05:33, Darwin123 <drosen0...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Nov 26, 1:30 pm, funkenstein <luke.s...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > >http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/49288/title/Signature_of_a.... > > > > anybody have any clue what's going on here? Thanks :) > > > Probably electron-positron pair production due to electrons hitting > > ions and other electrons at high speed. The electric field in the > > lightening bolt would produse enough acceleration to produce at least > > some electron-positron pairs. > > It take at least 511 KeV to produce an electron. It takes at > > least 1022 KeV to produce an electron hole pair. A typical lightening > > bolt starts out with a potential difference of a few million volts. > > One electron, if it accelerated down the entire potential without > > collision, could easily gain a kinetic energy of a few million > > electron volts. > > I doubt the electron could accelerate without collision in a > > ground to cloud bolt. However, cluds reach pretty high. I suspect way > > up there, where the air pressure is very low, an electron really could > > accelerate to 1022 KeV. It then hits an oygen atom, which takes some > > of the linear momentum out of the electron. And an electron-positron > > pair is made. > > Such an electron hole pair could be detected by gamma ray > > emission. A positron goes into orbit around an electron, forming a > > positronium. The positronium decays, producing a gamma ray. The > > spectrum of the gamma rays would be very narrow at 511 KeV, producing > > an unmistakable signature. > > The problem with detecting such a thing is that gamma rays don't > > move very far in the atmosphere. But I suspect there are ways around > > the problem. > > Could proton-antiproton pairs be made? Probably. Seems unlikely, > > but anything is possible. You would need really high voltages in the > > clouds. > > An electrons leaving ions can be accelerated and some of them may > change electric charge, like in atoms usually do. > > This is possible to explain thanks for electropositron hipothesis. > Examples:http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/browse_frm/thread/451f3af4...- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - This is dumb. Particles don't change charge. Why deosn't the electron and proton come together under their attraction? They are not oppositely charged. Mitch Raemsch and Aether science
From: Enes on 29 Nov 2009 17:58
On 29 Lis, 23:34, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Nov 29, 2:08 pm, Enes <pies_na_teo...(a)vp.pl> wrote: > > > > > On 27 Lis, 05:33, Darwin123 <drosen0...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > On Nov 26, 1:30 pm, funkenstein <luke.s...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > >http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/49288/title/Signature_of_a... > > > > > anybody have any clue what's going on here? Thanks :) > > > > Probably electron-positron pair production due to electrons hitting > > > ions and other electrons at high speed. The electric field in the > > > lightening bolt would produse enough acceleration to produce at least > > > some electron-positron pairs. > > > It take at least 511 KeV to produce an electron. It takes at > > > least 1022 KeV to produce an electron hole pair. A typical lightening > > > bolt starts out with a potential difference of a few million volts. > > > One electron, if it accelerated down the entire potential without > > > collision, could easily gain a kinetic energy of a few million > > > electron volts. > > > I doubt the electron could accelerate without collision in a > > > ground to cloud bolt. However, cluds reach pretty high. I suspect way > > > up there, where the air pressure is very low, an electron really could > > > accelerate to 1022 KeV. It then hits an oygen atom, which takes some > > > of the linear momentum out of the electron. And an electron-positron > > > pair is made. > > > Such an electron hole pair could be detected by gamma ray > > > emission. A positron goes into orbit around an electron, forming a > > > positronium. The positronium decays, producing a gamma ray. The > > > spectrum of the gamma rays would be very narrow at 511 KeV, producing > > > an unmistakable signature. > > > The problem with detecting such a thing is that gamma rays don't > > > move very far in the atmosphere. But I suspect there are ways around > > > the problem. > > > Could proton-antiproton pairs be made? Probably. Seems unlikely, > > > but anything is possible. You would need really high voltages in the > > > clouds. > > > An electrons leaving ions can be accelerated and some of them may > > change electric charge, like in atoms usually do. > > > This is possible to explain thanks for electropositron hipothesis. > > Examples:http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/browse_frm/thread/451f3af4...Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > This is dumb. The best idea seems dumb at first , it is nothing new. > Particles don't change charge. What about neutron, which can be change on a proton or antiproton? For example. > Why deosn't the electron and proton come together under their > attraction? They are not oppositely charged. > > Mitch Raemsch and Aether science What do you meen ? Do not understand you. |