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From: BURT on 30 Nov 2009 21:45
On Nov 30, 6:53 am, Enes <pies_na_teo...(a)vp.pl> wrote:
> On 30 Lis, 05:15, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 29, 2:58 pm, Enes <pies_na_teo...(a)vp.pl> wrote:
>
> > > On 29 Lis, 23:34, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Nov 29, 2:08 pm, Enes <pies_na_teo...(a)vp.pl> wrote:
>
> > > > > On 27 Lis, 05:33, Darwin123 <drosen0...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Nov 26, 1:30 pm, funkenstein <luke.s...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > >http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/49288/title/Signature_of_a...
>
> > > > > > > anybody have any clue what's going on here?  Thanks :)
>
> > > > > > Probably electron-positron pair production due to electrons hitting
> > > > > > ions and other electrons at high speed. The electric field in the
> > > > > > lightening bolt would produse enough acceleration to produce at least
> > > > > > some electron-positron pairs.
> > > > > >        It take at least 511 KeV to produce an electron. It takes at
> > > > > > least 1022 KeV to produce an electron hole pair. A typical lightening
> > > > > > bolt starts out with a potential difference of a few million volts.
> > > > > > One electron, if it accelerated down the entire potential without
> > > > > > collision, could easily gain a kinetic energy of a few million
> > > > > > electron volts.
> > > > > >       I doubt the electron could accelerate without collision in a
> > > > > > ground to cloud bolt. However, cluds reach pretty high. I suspect way
> > > > > > up there, where the air pressure is very low, an electron really could
> > > > > > accelerate to 1022 KeV. It then hits an oygen atom, which takes some
> > > > > > of the linear momentum out of the electron. And an electron-positron
> > > > > > pair is made.
> > > > > >      Such an electron hole pair could be detected by gamma ray
> > > > > > emission. A positron goes into orbit around an electron, forming a
> > > > > > positronium. The positronium decays, producing a gamma ray. The
> > > > > > spectrum of the gamma rays would be very narrow at 511 KeV, producing
> > > > > > an unmistakable signature.
> > > > > >     The problem with detecting such a thing is that gamma rays don't
> > > > > > move very far in the atmosphere. But I suspect there are ways around
> > > > > > the problem.
> > > > > >     Could proton-antiproton pairs be made? Probably. Seems unlikely,
> > > > > > but anything is possible. You would need really high voltages in the
> > > > > > clouds.
>
> > > > > An electrons leaving ions can be accelerated and some of them may
> > > > > change electric charge, like in atoms usually do.
>
> > > > > This is possible to explain thanks for electropositron hipothesis..
> > > > > Examples:http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/browse_frm/thread/451f3af4...-
>
> > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > This is dumb.
>
> > > The best idea seems dumb at first , it is nothing new.
>
> > > > Particles don't change charge.
>
> > > What about neutron, which can be change on a proton or antiproton? For
> > > example.
>
> > > > Why deosn't the electron and proton come together under their
> > > > attraction? They are not oppositely charged.
>
> > > > Mitch Raemsch and Aether science
>
> > > What do you meen ? Do not understand you.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > A neutron can decay into a proton and an electron. But if they are
> > oppositely charged they would come back togther again under their own
> > elctric attraction before they seperate.
>
> > Mitch Raemsch - A neutron decays in the aether
>
> Electron is too fast (simply saying), to come back after leaving
> proton.

But the attraction of the opposite electric charges would be at
maximum force between the electron and proton from the very beginning.
They then can't seperate.

Show me where I am wrong.

Mitch Raemsch


>
> But it is possible by the another way and known as "electron capture":http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_capture- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

From: Enes on 1 Dec 2009 12:32
On 1 Gru, 03:45, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Nov 30, 6:53 am, Enes <pies_na_teo...(a)vp.pl> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 30 Lis, 05:15, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Nov 29, 2:58 pm, Enes <pies_na_teo...(a)vp.pl> wrote:
>
> > > > On 29 Lis, 23:34, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Nov 29, 2:08 pm, Enes <pies_na_teo...(a)vp.pl> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On 27 Lis, 05:33, Darwin123 <drosen0...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On Nov 26, 1:30 pm, funkenstein <luke.s...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > >http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/49288/title/Signature_of_a...
>
> > > > > > > > anybody have any clue what's going on here?  Thanks :)
>
> > > > > > > Probably electron-positron pair production due to electrons hitting
> > > > > > > ions and other electrons at high speed. The electric field in the
> > > > > > > lightening bolt would produse enough acceleration to produce at least
> > > > > > > some electron-positron pairs.
> > > > > > >        It take at least 511 KeV to produce an electron. It takes at
> > > > > > > least 1022 KeV to produce an electron hole pair. A typical lightening
> > > > > > > bolt starts out with a potential difference of a few million volts.
> > > > > > > One electron, if it accelerated down the entire potential without
> > > > > > > collision, could easily gain a kinetic energy of a few million
> > > > > > > electron volts.
> > > > > > >       I doubt the electron could accelerate without collision in a
> > > > > > > ground to cloud bolt. However, cluds reach pretty high. I suspect way
> > > > > > > up there, where the air pressure is very low, an electron really could
> > > > > > > accelerate to 1022 KeV. It then hits an oygen atom, which takes some
> > > > > > > of the linear momentum out of the electron. And an electron-positron
> > > > > > > pair is made.
> > > > > > >      Such an electron hole pair could be detected by gamma ray
> > > > > > > emission. A positron goes into orbit around an electron, forming a
> > > > > > > positronium. The positronium decays, producing a gamma ray. The
> > > > > > > spectrum of the gamma rays would be very narrow at 511 KeV, producing
> > > > > > > an unmistakable signature.
> > > > > > >     The problem with detecting such a thing is that gamma rays don't
> > > > > > > move very far in the atmosphere. But I suspect there are ways around
> > > > > > > the problem.
> > > > > > >     Could proton-antiproton pairs be made? Probably. Seems unlikely,
> > > > > > > but anything is possible. You would need really high voltages in the
> > > > > > > clouds.
>
> > > > > > An electrons leaving ions can be accelerated and some of them may
> > > > > > change electric charge, like in atoms usually do.
>
> > > > > > This is possible to explain thanks for electropositron hipothesis.
> > > > > > Examples:http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/browse_frm/thread/451f3af4...
>
> > > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > > This is dumb.
>
> > > > The best idea seems dumb at first , it is nothing new.
>
> > > > > Particles don't change charge.
>
> > > > What about neutron, which can be change on a proton or antiproton? For
> > > > example.
>
> > > > > Why deosn't the electron and proton come together under their
> > > > > attraction? They are not oppositely charged.
>
> > > > > Mitch Raemsch and Aether science
>
> > > > What do you meen ? Do not understand you.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > A neutron can decay into a proton and an electron. But if they are
> > > oppositely charged they would come back togther again under their own
> > > elctric attraction before they seperate.
>
> > > Mitch Raemsch - A neutron decays in the aether
>
> > Electron is too fast (simply saying), to come back after leaving
> > proton.
>
> But the attraction of the opposite electric charges would be at
> maximum force between the electron and proton from the very beginning.
> They then can't seperate.
>
> Show me where I am wrong.
>
> Mitch Raemsch
>
Imo, you may wrong from the very beginning. May be there are forces
and energy, bigger then between electron and proton.

Hydrogen (proton and electron) also can be separating, by using
ionization energy.
>
> > But it is possible by the another way and known as "electron capture":http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_capture-Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
>

From: BURT on 1 Dec 2009 15:36
On Dec 1, 9:32 am, Enes <pies_na_teo...(a)vp.pl> wrote:
> On 1 Gru, 03:45, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Nov 30, 6:53 am, Enes <pies_na_teo...(a)vp.pl> wrote:
>
> > > On 30 Lis, 05:15, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Nov 29, 2:58 pm, Enes <pies_na_teo...(a)vp.pl> wrote:
>
> > > > > On 29 Lis, 23:34, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Nov 29, 2:08 pm, Enes <pies_na_teo...(a)vp.pl> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On 27 Lis, 05:33, Darwin123 <drosen0...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > On Nov 26, 1:30 pm, funkenstein <luke.s...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > >http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/49288/title/Signature_of_a...
>
> > > > > > > > > anybody have any clue what's going on here?  Thanks :)
>
> > > > > > > > Probably electron-positron pair production due to electrons hitting
> > > > > > > > ions and other electrons at high speed. The electric field in the
> > > > > > > > lightening bolt would produse enough acceleration to produce at least
> > > > > > > > some electron-positron pairs.
> > > > > > > >        It take at least 511 KeV to produce an electron. It takes at
> > > > > > > > least 1022 KeV to produce an electron hole pair. A typical lightening
> > > > > > > > bolt starts out with a potential difference of a few million volts.
> > > > > > > > One electron, if it accelerated down the entire potential without
> > > > > > > > collision, could easily gain a kinetic energy of a few million
> > > > > > > > electron volts.
> > > > > > > >       I doubt the electron could accelerate without collision in a
> > > > > > > > ground to cloud bolt. However, cluds reach pretty high. I suspect way
> > > > > > > > up there, where the air pressure is very low, an electron really could
> > > > > > > > accelerate to 1022 KeV. It then hits an oygen atom, which takes some
> > > > > > > > of the linear momentum out of the electron. And an electron-positron
> > > > > > > > pair is made.
> > > > > > > >      Such an electron hole pair could be detected by gamma ray
> > > > > > > > emission. A positron goes into orbit around an electron, forming a
> > > > > > > > positronium. The positronium decays, producing a gamma ray. The
> > > > > > > > spectrum of the gamma rays would be very narrow at 511 KeV, producing
> > > > > > > > an unmistakable signature.
> > > > > > > >     The problem with detecting such a thing is that gamma rays don't
> > > > > > > > move very far in the atmosphere. But I suspect there are ways around
> > > > > > > > the problem.
> > > > > > > >     Could proton-antiproton pairs be made? Probably. Seems unlikely,
> > > > > > > > but anything is possible. You would need really high voltages in the
> > > > > > > > clouds.
>
> > > > > > > An electrons leaving ions can be accelerated and some of them may
> > > > > > > change electric charge, like in atoms usually do.
>
> > > > > > > This is possible to explain thanks for electropositron hipothesis.
> > > > > > > Examples:http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/browse_frm/thread/451f3af4...
>
> > > > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > > > This is dumb.
>
> > > > > The best idea seems dumb at first , it is nothing new.
>
> > > > > > Particles don't change charge.
>
> > > > > What about neutron, which can be change on a proton or antiproton? For
> > > > > example.
>
> > > > > > Why deosn't the electron and proton come together under their
> > > > > > attraction? They are not oppositely charged.
>
> > > > > > Mitch Raemsch and Aether science
>
> > > > > What do you meen ? Do not understand you.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > A neutron can decay into a proton and an electron. But if they are
> > > > oppositely charged they would come back togther again under their own
> > > > elctric attraction before they seperate.
>
> > > > Mitch Raemsch - A neutron decays in the aether
>
> > > Electron is too fast (simply saying), to come back after leaving
> > > proton.
>
> > But the attraction of the opposite electric charges would be at
> > maximum force between the electron and proton from the very beginning.
> > They then can't seperate.
>
> > Show me where I am wrong.
>
> > Mitch Raemsch
>
> Imo, you may wrong from the very beginning. May be there are forces
> and energy, bigger then between electron and proton.

That would be decay. And decay is not a force enes. But there is
maximum attraction from the onset of the decay. They should come back
together under their own opposite charges.

Mitch Raemsch

>
> Hydrogen (proton and electron) also can be separating, by using
> ionization energy.
>
>
>
>
>
> > > But it is possible by the another way and known as "electron capture":http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_capture-Hidequoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

From: Enes on 1 Dec 2009 16:01
On 1 Gru, 21:36, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Dec 1, 9:32 am, Enes <pies_na_teo...(a)vp.pl> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 1 Gru, 03:45, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Nov 30, 6:53 am, Enes <pies_na_teo...(a)vp.pl> wrote:
>
> > > > On 30 Lis, 05:15, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Nov 29, 2:58 pm, Enes <pies_na_teo...(a)vp.pl> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On 29 Lis, 23:34, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On Nov 29, 2:08 pm, Enes <pies_na_teo...(a)vp.pl> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > On 27 Lis, 05:33, Darwin123 <drosen0...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > On Nov 26, 1:30 pm, funkenstein <luke.s...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > >http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/49288/title/Signature_of_a...
>
> > > > > > > > > > anybody have any clue what's going on here?  Thanks :)
>
> > > > > > > > > Probably electron-positron pair production due to electrons hitting
> > > > > > > > > ions and other electrons at high speed. The electric field in the
> > > > > > > > > lightening bolt would produse enough acceleration to produce at least
> > > > > > > > > some electron-positron pairs.
> > > > > > > > >        It take at least 511 KeV to produce an electron. It takes at
> > > > > > > > > least 1022 KeV to produce an electron hole pair. A typical lightening
> > > > > > > > > bolt starts out with a potential difference of a few million volts.
> > > > > > > > > One electron, if it accelerated down the entire potential without
> > > > > > > > > collision, could easily gain a kinetic energy of a few million
> > > > > > > > > electron volts.
> > > > > > > > >       I doubt the electron could accelerate without collision in a
> > > > > > > > > ground to cloud bolt. However, cluds reach pretty high. I suspect way
> > > > > > > > > up there, where the air pressure is very low, an electron really could
> > > > > > > > > accelerate to 1022 KeV. It then hits an oygen atom, which takes some
> > > > > > > > > of the linear momentum out of the electron. And an electron-positron
> > > > > > > > > pair is made.
> > > > > > > > >      Such an electron hole pair could be detected by gamma ray
> > > > > > > > > emission. A positron goes into orbit around an electron, forming a
> > > > > > > > > positronium. The positronium decays, producing a gamma ray. The
> > > > > > > > > spectrum of the gamma rays would be very narrow at 511 KeV, producing
> > > > > > > > > an unmistakable signature.
> > > > > > > > >     The problem with detecting such a thing is that gamma rays don't
> > > > > > > > > move very far in the atmosphere. But I suspect there are ways around
> > > > > > > > > the problem.
> > > > > > > > >     Could proton-antiproton pairs be made? Probably. Seems unlikely,
> > > > > > > > > but anything is possible. You would need really high voltages in the
> > > > > > > > > clouds.
>
> > > > > > > > An electrons leaving ions can be accelerated and some of them may
> > > > > > > > change electric charge, like in atoms usually do.
>
> > > > > > > > This is possible to explain thanks for electropositron hipothesis.
> > > > > > > > Examples:http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/browse_frm/thread/451f3af4...
>
> > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > > > > This is dumb.
>
> > > > > > The best idea seems dumb at first , it is nothing new.
>
> > > > > > > Particles don't change charge.
>
> > > > > > What about neutron, which can be change on a proton or antiproton? For
> > > > > > example.
>
> > > > > > > Why deosn't the electron and proton come together under their
> > > > > > > attraction? They are not oppositely charged.
>
> > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch and Aether science
>
> > > > > > What do you meen ? Do not understand you.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > > A neutron can decay into a proton and an electron. But if they are
> > > > > oppositely charged they would come back togther again under their own
> > > > > elctric attraction before they seperate.
>
> > > > > Mitch Raemsch - A neutron decays in the aether
>
> > > > Electron is too fast (simply saying), to come back after leaving
> > > > proton.
>
> > > But the attraction of the opposite electric charges would be at
> > > maximum force between the electron and proton from the very beginning..
> > > They then can't seperate.
>
> > > Show me where I am wrong.
>
> > > Mitch Raemsch
>
> > Imo, you may wrong from the very beginning. May be there are forces
> > and energy, bigger then between electron and proton.
>
> That would be decay. And decay is not a force enes. But there is
> maximum attraction from the onset of the decay. They should come back
> together under their own opposite charges.
>
> Mitch Raemsch
>
>
>
> > Hydrogen (proton and electron) also can be separating, by using
> > ionization energy.
>
> > > > But it is possible by the another way and known as "electron capture":http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_capture-Hidequotedtext -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
>

There is no decay without forces.
....and usually no smoke without fire, do you remember?
From: BURT on 1 Dec 2009 17:33
On Dec 1, 1:01 pm, Enes <pies_na_teo...(a)vp.pl> wrote:
> On 1 Gru, 21:36, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Dec 1, 9:32 am, Enes <pies_na_teo...(a)vp.pl> wrote:
>
> > > On 1 Gru, 03:45, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Nov 30, 6:53 am, Enes <pies_na_teo...(a)vp.pl> wrote:
>
> > > > > On 30 Lis, 05:15, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Nov 29, 2:58 pm, Enes <pies_na_teo...(a)vp.pl> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On 29 Lis, 23:34, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > On Nov 29, 2:08 pm, Enes <pies_na_teo...(a)vp.pl> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > On 27 Lis, 05:33, Darwin123 <drosen0...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > On Nov 26, 1:30 pm, funkenstein <luke.s...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > >http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/49288/title/Signature_of_a...
>
> > > > > > > > > > > anybody have any clue what's going on here?  Thanks :)
>
> > > > > > > > > > Probably electron-positron pair production due to electrons hitting
> > > > > > > > > > ions and other electrons at high speed. The electric field in the
> > > > > > > > > > lightening bolt would produse enough acceleration to produce at least
> > > > > > > > > > some electron-positron pairs.
> > > > > > > > > >        It take at least 511 KeV to produce an electron. It takes at
> > > > > > > > > > least 1022 KeV to produce an electron hole pair. A typical lightening
> > > > > > > > > > bolt starts out with a potential difference of a few million volts.
> > > > > > > > > > One electron, if it accelerated down the entire potential without
> > > > > > > > > > collision, could easily gain a kinetic energy of a few million
> > > > > > > > > > electron volts.
> > > > > > > > > >       I doubt the electron could accelerate without collision in a
> > > > > > > > > > ground to cloud bolt. However, cluds reach pretty high. I suspect way
> > > > > > > > > > up there, where the air pressure is very low, an electron really could
> > > > > > > > > > accelerate to 1022 KeV. It then hits an oygen atom, which takes some
> > > > > > > > > > of the linear momentum out of the electron. And an electron-positron
> > > > > > > > > > pair is made.
> > > > > > > > > >      Such an electron hole pair could be detected by gamma ray
> > > > > > > > > > emission. A positron goes into orbit around an electron, forming a
> > > > > > > > > > positronium. The positronium decays, producing a gamma ray. The
> > > > > > > > > > spectrum of the gamma rays would be very narrow at 511 KeV, producing
> > > > > > > > > > an unmistakable signature.
> > > > > > > > > >     The problem with detecting such a thing is that gamma rays don't
> > > > > > > > > > move very far in the atmosphere. But I suspect there are ways around
> > > > > > > > > > the problem.
> > > > > > > > > >     Could proton-antiproton pairs be made? Probably.. Seems unlikely,
> > > > > > > > > > but anything is possible. You would need really high voltages in the
> > > > > > > > > > clouds.
>
> > > > > > > > > An electrons leaving ions can be accelerated and some of them may
> > > > > > > > > change electric charge, like in atoms usually do.
>
> > > > > > > > > This is possible to explain thanks for electropositron hipothesis.
> > > > > > > > > Examples:http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/browse_frm/thread/451f3af4...
>
> > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > > > > > This is dumb.
>
> > > > > > > The best idea seems dumb at first , it is nothing new.
>
> > > > > > > > Particles don't change charge.
>
> > > > > > > What about neutron, which can be change on a proton or antiproton? For
> > > > > > > example.
>
> > > > > > > > Why deosn't the electron and proton come together under their
> > > > > > > > attraction? They are not oppositely charged.
>
> > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch and Aether science
>
> > > > > > > What do you meen ? Do not understand you.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > > > A neutron can decay into a proton and an electron. But if they are
> > > > > > oppositely charged they would come back togther again under their own
> > > > > > elctric attraction before they seperate.
>
> > > > > > Mitch Raemsch - A neutron decays in the aether
>
> > > > > Electron is too fast (simply saying), to come back after leaving
> > > > > proton.
>
> > > > But the attraction of the opposite electric charges would be at
> > > > maximum force between the electron and proton from the very beginning.
> > > > They then can't seperate.
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> > > > Show me where I am wrong.
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> > > > Mitch Raemsch
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> > > Imo, you may wrong from the very beginning. May be there are forces
> > > and energy, bigger then between electron and proton.
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> > That would be decay. And decay is not a force enes. But there is
> > maximum attraction from the onset of the decay. They should come back
> > together under their own opposite charges.
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> > Mitch Raemsch
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> > > Hydrogen (proton and electron) also can be separating, by using
> > > ionization energy.
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> > > > > But it is possible by the another way and known as "electron capture":http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_capture-Hidequotedtext-
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> There is no decay without forces.
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That force is the weakest. So that won't work. The mutual attraction
is at a maximum in a much stronger force.

Mitch Raemsch
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