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From: waldofj on 29 Nov 2009 19:35 On Nov 29, 5:58 pm, Enes <pies_na_teo...(a)vp.pl> wrote: > On 29 Lis, 23:34, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > On Nov 29, 2:08 pm, Enes <pies_na_teo...(a)vp.pl> wrote: > > > > On 27 Lis, 05:33, Darwin123 <drosen0...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > On Nov 26, 1:30 pm, funkenstein <luke.s...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > >http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/49288/title/Signature_of_a... > > > > > > anybody have any clue what's going on here? Thanks :) > > > > > Probably electron-positron pair production due to electrons hitting > > > > ions and other electrons at high speed. The electric field in the > > > > lightening bolt would produse enough acceleration to produce at least > > > > some electron-positron pairs. > > > > It take at least 511 KeV to produce an electron. It takes at > > > > least 1022 KeV to produce an electron hole pair. A typical lightening > > > > bolt starts out with a potential difference of a few million volts. > > > > One electron, if it accelerated down the entire potential without > > > > collision, could easily gain a kinetic energy of a few million > > > > electron volts. > > > > I doubt the electron could accelerate without collision in a > > > > ground to cloud bolt. However, cluds reach pretty high. I suspect way > > > > up there, where the air pressure is very low, an electron really could > > > > accelerate to 1022 KeV. It then hits an oygen atom, which takes some > > > > of the linear momentum out of the electron. And an electron-positron > > > > pair is made. > > > > Such an electron hole pair could be detected by gamma ray > > > > emission. A positron goes into orbit around an electron, forming a > > > > positronium. The positronium decays, producing a gamma ray. The > > > > spectrum of the gamma rays would be very narrow at 511 KeV, producing > > > > an unmistakable signature. > > > > The problem with detecting such a thing is that gamma rays don't > > > > move very far in the atmosphere. But I suspect there are ways around > > > > the problem. > > > > Could proton-antiproton pairs be made? Probably. Seems unlikely, > > > > but anything is possible. You would need really high voltages in the > > > > clouds. > > > > An electrons leaving ions can be accelerated and some of them may > > > change electric charge, like in atoms usually do. > > > > This is possible to explain thanks for electropositron hipothesis. > > > Examples:http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/browse_frm/thread/451f3af4...quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > This is dumb. > > The best idea seems dumb at first , it is nothing new. > > > Particles don't change charge. > > What about neutron, which can be change on a proton or antiproton? For > example. > > > Why deosn't the electron and proton come together under their > > attraction? They are not oppositely charged. > > > Mitch Raemsch and Aether science > > What do you meen ? Do not understand you. don't feel bad, no one does.
From: BURT on 29 Nov 2009 23:15 On Nov 29, 2:58 pm, Enes <pies_na_teo...(a)vp.pl> wrote: > On 29 Lis, 23:34, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > On Nov 29, 2:08 pm, Enes <pies_na_teo...(a)vp.pl> wrote: > > > > On 27 Lis, 05:33, Darwin123 <drosen0...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > On Nov 26, 1:30 pm, funkenstein <luke.s...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > >http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/49288/title/Signature_of_a... > > > > > > anybody have any clue what's going on here? Thanks :) > > > > > Probably electron-positron pair production due to electrons hitting > > > > ions and other electrons at high speed. The electric field in the > > > > lightening bolt would produse enough acceleration to produce at least > > > > some electron-positron pairs. > > > > It take at least 511 KeV to produce an electron. It takes at > > > > least 1022 KeV to produce an electron hole pair. A typical lightening > > > > bolt starts out with a potential difference of a few million volts. > > > > One electron, if it accelerated down the entire potential without > > > > collision, could easily gain a kinetic energy of a few million > > > > electron volts. > > > > I doubt the electron could accelerate without collision in a > > > > ground to cloud bolt. However, cluds reach pretty high. I suspect way > > > > up there, where the air pressure is very low, an electron really could > > > > accelerate to 1022 KeV. It then hits an oygen atom, which takes some > > > > of the linear momentum out of the electron. And an electron-positron > > > > pair is made. > > > > Such an electron hole pair could be detected by gamma ray > > > > emission. A positron goes into orbit around an electron, forming a > > > > positronium. The positronium decays, producing a gamma ray. The > > > > spectrum of the gamma rays would be very narrow at 511 KeV, producing > > > > an unmistakable signature. > > > > The problem with detecting such a thing is that gamma rays don't > > > > move very far in the atmosphere. But I suspect there are ways around > > > > the problem. > > > > Could proton-antiproton pairs be made? Probably. Seems unlikely, > > > > but anything is possible. You would need really high voltages in the > > > > clouds. > > > > An electrons leaving ions can be accelerated and some of them may > > > change electric charge, like in atoms usually do. > > > > This is possible to explain thanks for electropositron hipothesis. > > > Examples:http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/browse_frm/thread/451f3af4...quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > This is dumb. > > The best idea seems dumb at first , it is nothing new. > > > Particles don't change charge. > > What about neutron, which can be change on a proton or antiproton? For > example. > > > Why deosn't the electron and proton come together under their > > attraction? They are not oppositely charged. > > > Mitch Raemsch and Aether science > > What do you meen ? Do not understand you.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - A neutron can decay into a proton and an electron. But if they are oppositely charged they would come back togther again under their own elctric attraction before they seperate. Mitch Raemsch - A neutron decays in the aether
From: waldofj on 30 Nov 2009 08:49 On Nov 29, 11:15 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Nov 29, 2:58 pm, Enes <pies_na_teo...(a)vp.pl> wrote: > > > > > On 29 Lis, 23:34, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > On Nov 29, 2:08 pm, Enes <pies_na_teo...(a)vp.pl> wrote: > > > > > On 27 Lis, 05:33, Darwin123 <drosen0...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Nov 26, 1:30 pm, funkenstein <luke.s...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > >http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/49288/title/Signature_of_a... > > > > > > > anybody have any clue what's going on here? Thanks :) > > > > > > Probably electron-positron pair production due to electrons hitting > > > > > ions and other electrons at high speed. The electric field in the > > > > > lightening bolt would produse enough acceleration to produce at least > > > > > some electron-positron pairs. > > > > > It take at least 511 KeV to produce an electron. It takes at > > > > > least 1022 KeV to produce an electron hole pair. A typical lightening > > > > > bolt starts out with a potential difference of a few million volts. > > > > > One electron, if it accelerated down the entire potential without > > > > > collision, could easily gain a kinetic energy of a few million > > > > > electron volts. > > > > > I doubt the electron could accelerate without collision in a > > > > > ground to cloud bolt. However, cluds reach pretty high. I suspect way > > > > > up there, where the air pressure is very low, an electron really could > > > > > accelerate to 1022 KeV. It then hits an oygen atom, which takes some > > > > > of the linear momentum out of the electron. And an electron-positron > > > > > pair is made. > > > > > Such an electron hole pair could be detected by gamma ray > > > > > emission. A positron goes into orbit around an electron, forming a > > > > > positronium. The positronium decays, producing a gamma ray. The > > > > > spectrum of the gamma rays would be very narrow at 511 KeV, producing > > > > > an unmistakable signature. > > > > > The problem with detecting such a thing is that gamma rays don't > > > > > move very far in the atmosphere. But I suspect there are ways around > > > > > the problem. > > > > > Could proton-antiproton pairs be made? Probably. Seems unlikely, > > > > > but anything is possible. You would need really high voltages in the > > > > > clouds. > > > > > An electrons leaving ions can be accelerated and some of them may > > > > change electric charge, like in atoms usually do. > > > > > This is possible to explain thanks for electropositron hipothesis. > > > > Examples:http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/browse_frm/thread/451f3af4...text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > This is dumb. > > > The best idea seems dumb at first , it is nothing new. > > > > Particles don't change charge. > > > What about neutron, which can be change on a proton or antiproton? For > > example. > > > > Why deosn't the electron and proton come together under their > > > attraction? They are not oppositely charged. > > > > Mitch Raemsch and Aether science > > > What do you meen ? Do not understand you.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > A neutron can decay into a proton and an electron. But if they are > oppositely charged they would come back togther again under their own > elctric attraction before they seperate. > > Mitch Raemsch - A neutron decays in the aether so, there's no hydrogen in the universe?
From: Enes on 30 Nov 2009 09:53 On 30 Lis, 05:15, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Nov 29, 2:58 pm, Enes <pies_na_teo...(a)vp.pl> wrote: > > > > > On 29 Lis, 23:34, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > On Nov 29, 2:08 pm, Enes <pies_na_teo...(a)vp.pl> wrote: > > > > > On 27 Lis, 05:33, Darwin123 <drosen0...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Nov 26, 1:30 pm, funkenstein <luke.s...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > >http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/49288/title/Signature_of_a... > > > > > > > anybody have any clue what's going on here? Thanks :) > > > > > > Probably electron-positron pair production due to electrons hitting > > > > > ions and other electrons at high speed. The electric field in the > > > > > lightening bolt would produse enough acceleration to produce at least > > > > > some electron-positron pairs. > > > > > It take at least 511 KeV to produce an electron. It takes at > > > > > least 1022 KeV to produce an electron hole pair. A typical lightening > > > > > bolt starts out with a potential difference of a few million volts. > > > > > One electron, if it accelerated down the entire potential without > > > > > collision, could easily gain a kinetic energy of a few million > > > > > electron volts. > > > > > I doubt the electron could accelerate without collision in a > > > > > ground to cloud bolt. However, cluds reach pretty high. I suspect way > > > > > up there, where the air pressure is very low, an electron really could > > > > > accelerate to 1022 KeV. It then hits an oygen atom, which takes some > > > > > of the linear momentum out of the electron. And an electron-positron > > > > > pair is made. > > > > > Such an electron hole pair could be detected by gamma ray > > > > > emission. A positron goes into orbit around an electron, forming a > > > > > positronium. The positronium decays, producing a gamma ray. The > > > > > spectrum of the gamma rays would be very narrow at 511 KeV, producing > > > > > an unmistakable signature. > > > > > The problem with detecting such a thing is that gamma rays don't > > > > > move very far in the atmosphere. But I suspect there are ways around > > > > > the problem. > > > > > Could proton-antiproton pairs be made? Probably. Seems unlikely, > > > > > but anything is possible. You would need really high voltages in the > > > > > clouds. > > > > > An electrons leaving ions can be accelerated and some of them may > > > > change electric charge, like in atoms usually do. > > > > > This is possible to explain thanks for electropositron hipothesis. > > > > Examples:http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/browse_frm/thread/451f3af4...text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > This is dumb. > > > The best idea seems dumb at first , it is nothing new. > > > > Particles don't change charge. > > > What about neutron, which can be change on a proton or antiproton? For > > example. > > > > Why deosn't the electron and proton come together under their > > > attraction? They are not oppositely charged. > > > > Mitch Raemsch and Aether science > > > What do you meen ? Do not understand you.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > A neutron can decay into a proton and an electron. But if they are > oppositely charged they would come back togther again under their own > elctric attraction before they seperate. > > Mitch Raemsch - A neutron decays in the aether Electron is too fast (simply saying), to come back after leaving proton. But it is possible by the another way and known as "electron capture": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_capture
From: Enes on 30 Nov 2009 09:58
On 30 Lis, 14:49, waldofj <wald...(a)verizon.net> wrote: > On Nov 29, 11:15 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > On Nov 29, 2:58 pm, Enes <pies_na_teo...(a)vp.pl> wrote: > > > > On 29 Lis, 23:34, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > On Nov 29, 2:08 pm, Enes <pies_na_teo...(a)vp.pl> wrote: > > > > > > On 27 Lis, 05:33, Darwin123 <drosen0...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Nov 26, 1:30 pm, funkenstein <luke.s...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > >http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/49288/title/Signature_of_a... > > > > > > > > anybody have any clue what's going on here? Thanks :) > > > > > > > Probably electron-positron pair production due to electrons hitting > > > > > > ions and other electrons at high speed. The electric field in the > > > > > > lightening bolt would produse enough acceleration to produce at least > > > > > > some electron-positron pairs. > > > > > > It take at least 511 KeV to produce an electron. It takes at > > > > > > least 1022 KeV to produce an electron hole pair. A typical lightening > > > > > > bolt starts out with a potential difference of a few million volts. > > > > > > One electron, if it accelerated down the entire potential without > > > > > > collision, could easily gain a kinetic energy of a few million > > > > > > electron volts. > > > > > > I doubt the electron could accelerate without collision in a > > > > > > ground to cloud bolt. However, cluds reach pretty high. I suspect way > > > > > > up there, where the air pressure is very low, an electron really could > > > > > > accelerate to 1022 KeV. It then hits an oygen atom, which takes some > > > > > > of the linear momentum out of the electron. And an electron-positron > > > > > > pair is made. > > > > > > Such an electron hole pair could be detected by gamma ray > > > > > > emission. A positron goes into orbit around an electron, forming a > > > > > > positronium. The positronium decays, producing a gamma ray. The > > > > > > spectrum of the gamma rays would be very narrow at 511 KeV, producing > > > > > > an unmistakable signature. > > > > > > The problem with detecting such a thing is that gamma rays don't > > > > > > move very far in the atmosphere. But I suspect there are ways around > > > > > > the problem. > > > > > > Could proton-antiproton pairs be made? Probably. Seems unlikely, > > > > > > but anything is possible. You would need really high voltages in the > > > > > > clouds. > > > > > > An electrons leaving ions can be accelerated and some of them may > > > > > change electric charge, like in atoms usually do. > > > > > > This is possible to explain thanks for electropositron hipothesis.. > > > > > Examples:http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/browse_frm/thread/451f3af4...- > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > This is dumb. > > > > The best idea seems dumb at first , it is nothing new. > > > > > Particles don't change charge. > > > > What about neutron, which can be change on a proton or antiproton? For > > > example. > > > > > Why deosn't the electron and proton come together under their > > > > attraction? They are not oppositely charged. > > > > > Mitch Raemsch and Aether science > > > > What do you meen ? Do not understand you.- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > A neutron can decay into a proton and an electron. But if they are > > oppositely charged they would come back togther again under their own > > elctric attraction before they seperate. > > > Mitch Raemsch - A neutron decays in the aether > > so, there's no hydrogen in the universe? In special conditions not only hydrogen (H) can be make, but antihydrogen (H_) and even halfantihydrogen (HH_)too. |