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From: Dan L. on 5 Feb 2010 15:04
In article <hkhfc901r2p(a)news5.newsguy.com>,
J.J. O'Shea <try.not.to(a)but.see.sig> wrote:

> On Fri, 5 Feb 2010 10:22:06 -0500, Michelle Steiner wrote
> (in article <michelle-86F5DA.08220605022010(a)nothing.attdns.com>):
>
> > The recent comments from Steve Jobs regarding Adobe might well be the first
> > sign of a "cold war" between the two companies. Apple would be already
> > preparing and developing applications to compete directly with Adobe's
> > solutions, leading to open warfare. Cupertino would also be developing a
> > software that could compete with Flash and Dreamweaver, entirely based on
> > HTML 5.0. Beside Aperture X which should be released soon, Apple might also
> > be working to develop a solution similar to Photoshop, a high-end
> > Pro-oriented solution. We do not know further details about those
> > applications being developed as it is either hidden from view or just
> > starting.
>
> I own CS2. I have point-blank refused to update to CS3 or CS4, in large part
> due to the outrageous pricing structure. I would only go to CS5 if a future
> Apple OS update renders CS2 unusable... and even then I'd think hard before I
> did it. If Apple (or anyone else, even Microsoft, and yes I'm absolutely
> serious about that...) were to unleash software which could replace
> Photoshop, Illustrator, Acrobat, and Dreamweaver, but at a reasonable price,
> I'd buy it immediately.

Same here: I own SC2 also and also refuse to update. It is the only
software I have that occasionally hangs up and have to force quit. Does
not work with Apples fileVault or third party file encryption systems. I
have too keep sensitive information using separate user names using
encryption. I have other issues as well with Adobe.

I will take BBedit anytime over Dreamweaver. Apples iWeb works well for
Non-industrial uses. iWorks is sufficient enough for me to replace
InDesign. iWorks could use some improvement for me, in the area of
mail/file merging. I hope, when I update my software, there will be a
good replacement for Illustrator and Photoshop so I can say GOOD-BYE to
Adobe.

Also wasn't CSS suppose to replace HTML?
HTML 5.0 is not needed. Improve CSS instead.

Enjoy Life... Dan

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From: JF Mezei on 5 Feb 2010 15:12
j wrote:

> Can you tell us more about the problems you are having?


they initially gave me a US english license which failed because i had
ordered and installed intl english. after weeks talking to drones, they
finally got me with proper tech support who had me deinstal everything
and install US english and the licences then worked. I had to request
total refund because they said that they (adobe corp) could not issue an
intl english licence. That got me someone from HQ in canada to call me
and sheissued me the proper licences.

Problem is that there leftover files from the "test" US english
installation, and while during normal use, the software accepts the intl
english l;icence for the intl english install, software updates ruin
this and turn the software back to US english because of the remnant files.

I can't delete and start from stratch because the licence relies on an
upgrade from Page Maker. The software does not validate old PageMaker
licences (version 1.2 I think) and I have to call the drones, argue for
a month before they pass me to a tech who then has a trick with
challenge response to tell the software to accept that licence.

Meanwhile, the drones refuse to handle my requests for support because
my software is not registered. Somehow, when I use the "register"
function for the software, it appears to work, but they show up in some
phantom account in their database, and my requests for help come from my
"real" acocunt with them and they refuse to fix their administrative
problems.
From: Nick Naym on 5 Feb 2010 16:00
In article jollyroger-BEB99C.09523005022010(a)news.individual.net, Jolly Roger
at jollyroger(a)pobox.com wrote on 2/5/10 10:52 AM:

> In article <michelle-86F5DA.08220605022010(a)nothing.attdns.com>,
> Michelle Steiner <michelle(a)michelle.org> wrote:
>
>> Interesting article on the differences between Apple and Adobe.
>
> Does this really belong in comp.sys.mac.system??
>

A question that applies to a lot of what gets posted here.



> I would think this would be better posted to comp.sys.mac.misc.

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From: Nick Naym on 5 Feb 2010 16:03
In article michelle-465C62.09532805022010(a)nothing.attdns.com, Michelle
Steiner at michelle(a)michelle.org wrote on 2/5/10 11:53 AM:

> In article <jollyroger-BEB99C.09523005022010(a)news.individual.net>,
> Jolly Roger <jollyroger(a)pobox.com> wrote:
>
>>> Interesting article on the differences between Apple and Adobe.
>>
>> Does this really belong in comp.sys.mac.system??
>>
>> I would think this would be better posted to comp.sys.mac.misc.
>
> Well, for one thing, I'm not subscribed to that newsgroup. For another, I
> thought that this excerpt made it suitable for this newsgroup:
>
> Apple is also upset about�Adobe Software Activation, their
> anti-piracy protection. This system forces CS users to validate their
> license online. In order to prevent any bypassing by software-based
> debuggers, the ASA shunts the system in order to directly access the
> deepest layer of the CPU and the RAM, without considering the protection
> of such components built into Mac OS X. As a consequence it would increase
> the risk of crash and fragmentation, making Mac OS X unable to manage or
> better control them. So, every time the ASA is modified or updated as it
> has already been hacked a certain number of times, Adobe asks Apple to
> take measures on its system to let the ASA work efficiently, without
> creating too much instability.
>
> It's more on topic than hardware issues (e.g., hard drive and drive
> connectivity) that are on this NG.

Appealing to the equally inappropriate presence of hardware-centric posts in
this NG (they belong in comp.sys.mac.hardware.misc) is justification?


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From: Jolly Roger on 5 Feb 2010 20:42
In article <michelle-465C62.09532805022010(a)nothing.attdns.com>,
Michelle Steiner <michelle(a)michelle.org> wrote:

> In article <jollyroger-BEB99C.09523005022010(a)news.individual.net>,
> Jolly Roger <jollyroger(a)pobox.com> wrote:
>
> > > Interesting article on the differences between Apple and Adobe.
> >
> > Does this really belong in comp.sys.mac.system??
> >
> > I would think this would be better posted to comp.sys.mac.misc.
>
> Well, for one thing, I'm not subscribed to that newsgroup.

Excuse FAIL.

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