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From: Jan Panteltje on 8 Jan 2010 15:07 On a sunny day (Sat, 9 Jan 2010 00:55:50 +0530) it happened "pimpom" <pimpom(a)invalid.invalid> wrote in <hi80s2$c0v$1(a)news.albasani.net>: >I subscribed to the Indian edition of the English version of >Elektor until they stopped publishing the Indian edition some 10 >years ago. I consider the web to be a complement to books, not a >complete substitute. The web is great for looking up specific >bits of information, but not that great as a general reference. > >I used to do a lot of repair work in the past - on consumer, >medical and industrial products. More often than not, I had to >work on products I'd never seen before or, in many cases, even >heard of. The few times a schematic is available, I find the >European style of presenting diagrams very inconvenient. I mean >the habit of putting only a small section of the whole thing on >one page, making it necessary to hunt for the page where line D37 >goes. It may be OK for a company-trained service engineer who >already has a good overall familiarity with the product, but not >for someone trying to figure out how the damn thing works. I >liken the web to those European-style diagrams. Well, I remember a training I had with Ampex in Germany for one of their video machines. I had to weight in the hand luggage, for the flight: 15 kg of books, for ONE machine. There is no way you can get everything on one page for complicated circuits. What you need in such a case is big block diagrams (fold out), time to study those, and then diagrams for each individual block. And then diagrams for parts of each individual block, I am used to that sort of stuff. I remember the first real work day at the TV studio, now THAT is a lot of equipment that I had to fix in zero time, because 'black' on the network after a few seconds upsets millions, and people get pissed... My boss told me: 'I am going to lunch, call me if anything comes up you cannot handle'. Something came up, I called him, better that then black. He asked 'What?", and I told him: I know how to do this, but *where* are the cables (needed to rewire some connections, old days, toooobes). 'Oh', he said: Opened the floor boars somewhere, 'here!' That is the only time I called for help, the first day. But we had had months of training full time in the school banks before that. He asked: 'Did you not pay attention when that was explained by so and so?". I gave some lame excuse... Now I probably did not, digging up cables from under the floor was not that interesting to me. Funny place, you needed to be stress resistant. You also needed to be very very good at electronics and human interactions. Nice times.
From: J.A. Legris on 8 Jan 2010 20:08 On Jan 6, 11:37 pm, "Martin Riddle" <martin_...(a)verizon.net> wrote: > "Bob Engelhardt" <bobengelha...(a)comcast.net> wrote in message > > news:hi3eqi0er1(a)news3.newsguy.com... > > > Last I heard, it was targeted for early 2010. Any recent news? Bob > > Hill has been strangely absent for some time, working hard on it I > guess. > > Cheers Maybe he's just fed up with Jim Thompson and his band of idiots. They've destroyed this N.G. -- Joe
From: Jim Thompson on 9 Jan 2010 11:39 On Sat, 09 Jan 2010 11:25:06 -0500, Stephan Goldstein <sgoldHAM(a)alum.mit.edu> wrote: >On Sat, 09 Jan 2010 09:04:02 -0700, Jim Thompson ><To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon(a)My-Web-Site.com/Snicker> wrote: > [snip] >> >>xray, Legris, and Riddle have been on my no-retrieve-list for years, >>so I'm just now seeing this diatribe. >> >>WHEN have these birds EVER posted a circuit or solution? >> >>I'm disappointed in you, Steve :-( >> >>Being politically correct, following the messiah blindly, DOES NOT >>MAKE YOU A GOOD CIRCUIT DESIGNER. > >True, but I have yet to find a circumstance when politicial posts >have improved my design skills. > >I will say no more on this topic. You would restrict my freedom of speech? Aren't my circuit responses dead-on accurate? (Except for an occasional typo ?:-) I'll stick strictly to circuits IF EVERYONE ELSE WILL ALSO DO SO. Of course SED will then die, because there's rarely anything electronic actually ever posted, and at that, they're so juvenile they should have been posted in sci.electronics.basics ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, CTO | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
From: Michael A. Terrell on 9 Jan 2010 19:06 Jim Thompson wrote: > > On Sat, 09 Jan 2010 11:25:06 -0500, Stephan Goldstein > <sgoldHAM(a)alum.mit.edu> wrote: > > >On Sat, 09 Jan 2010 09:04:02 -0700, Jim Thompson > ><To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon(a)My-Web-Site.com/Snicker> wrote: > > > [snip] > >> > >>xray, Legris, and Riddle have been on my no-retrieve-list for years, > >>so I'm just now seeing this diatribe. > >> > >>WHEN have these birds EVER posted a circuit or solution? > >> > >>I'm disappointed in you, Steve :-( > >> > >>Being politically correct, following the messiah blindly, DOES NOT > >>MAKE YOU A GOOD CIRCUIT DESIGNER. > > > >True, but I have yet to find a circumstance when politicial posts > >have improved my design skills. > > > >I will say no more on this topic. > > You would restrict my freedom of speech? > > Aren't my circuit responses dead-on accurate? (Except for an > occasional typo ?:-) > > I'll stick strictly to circuits IF EVERYONE ELSE WILL ALSO DO SO. Of > course SED will then die, because there's rarely anything electronic > actually ever posted, and at that, they're so juvenile they should > have been posted in sci.electronics.basics Sometimes I think we need a news:sci.electroincs.idiot newsgroup to point some people to. I notice these whiners never mention Dimbulb, Sloman or EEyore. -- Greed is the root of all eBay.
From: Jim Thompson on 9 Jan 2010 19:25
On Sat, 09 Jan 2010 19:06:18 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell(a)earthlink.net> wrote: > >Jim Thompson wrote: >> >> On Sat, 09 Jan 2010 11:25:06 -0500, Stephan Goldstein >> <sgoldHAM(a)alum.mit.edu> wrote: >> >> >On Sat, 09 Jan 2010 09:04:02 -0700, Jim Thompson >> ><To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon(a)My-Web-Site.com/Snicker> wrote: >> > >> [snip] >> >> >> >>xray, Legris, and Riddle have been on my no-retrieve-list for years, >> >>so I'm just now seeing this diatribe. >> >> >> >>WHEN have these birds EVER posted a circuit or solution? >> >> >> >>I'm disappointed in you, Steve :-( >> >> >> >>Being politically correct, following the messiah blindly, DOES NOT >> >>MAKE YOU A GOOD CIRCUIT DESIGNER. >> > >> >True, but I have yet to find a circumstance when politicial posts >> >have improved my design skills. >> > >> >I will say no more on this topic. >> >> You would restrict my freedom of speech? >> >> Aren't my circuit responses dead-on accurate? (Except for an >> occasional typo ?:-) >> >> I'll stick strictly to circuits IF EVERYONE ELSE WILL ALSO DO SO. Of >> course SED will then die, because there's rarely anything electronic >> actually ever posted, and at that, they're so juvenile they should >> have been posted in sci.electronics.basics > > > Sometimes I think we need a news:sci.electroincs.idiot newsgroup to >point some people to. > > I notice these whiners never mention Dimbulb, Sloman or EEyore. Of course not. The dweebs need their messiahs to look up to... the super dweebs need Win Hill ;-) ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, CTO | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food. |