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From: Michael Robinson on 10 Jan 2010 16:21 "Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon(a)My-Web-Site.com/Snicker> wrote in message news:3obhk55fr0thbh0i56bo0mga43klg8b1ii(a)4ax.com... > On Sat, 09 Jan 2010 11:25:06 -0500, Stephan Goldstein > <sgoldHAM(a)alum.mit.edu> wrote: > >>On Sat, 09 Jan 2010 09:04:02 -0700, Jim Thompson >><To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon(a)My-Web-Site.com/Snicker> wrote: >> > [snip] >>> >>>xray, Legris, and Riddle have been on my no-retrieve-list for years, >>>so I'm just now seeing this diatribe. >>> >>>WHEN have these birds EVER posted a circuit or solution? >>> >>>I'm disappointed in you, Steve :-( >>> >>>Being politically correct, following the messiah blindly, DOES NOT >>>MAKE YOU A GOOD CIRCUIT DESIGNER. >> >>True, but I have yet to find a circumstance when politicial posts >>have improved my design skills. >> >>I will say no more on this topic. > > You would restrict my freedom of speech? > > Aren't my circuit responses dead-on accurate? (Except for an > occasional typo ?:-) > > I'll stick strictly to circuits IF EVERYONE ELSE WILL ALSO DO SO. Of > course SED will then die, because there's rarely anything electronic > actually ever posted, and at that, they're so juvenile they should > have been posted in sci.electronics.basics > > ...Jim Thompson > -- S.E.D. is alive and well, with or without you.
From: Jim Thompson on 10 Jan 2010 16:30 On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 15:45:42 -0500, Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless(a)electrooptical.net> wrote: >On 1/10/2010 2:57 PM, Jim Thompson wrote: >> On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 14:39:39 -0500, Phil Hobbs >> <pcdhSpamMeSenseless(a)electrooptical.net> wrote: >> >>> On 1/10/2010 1:39 PM, Ralph Barone wrote: >>>> .... and yet another thread degenerates into 3rd graders sticking their >>>> tongues out at each other. I have killfiled everybody who seems to be >>>> incapable of carrying on an adult conversation but the SNR on s.e.d >>>> still seems lower than in many other newsgroups. A shame... >>> >>> Well, we could talk about what an ideal electronics textbook would look >>> like. Some of the canonical ones are >>> >>> Horowitz& Hill >> >> Used only to see what SED posters are referencing ;-) >> >>> Grey& Meyer >> >> Alvin B. Phillips >> >> The whole SEEC series (Thornton, Searle, Pederson, Adler, Angelo) >> >> Warner& Grung >> >>> Ott >>> Morrison >> >> Don't know those two >> >>> The Radar Handbook >> >> Which one? MIT? I had Reintjes as a professor. >> >>> Zverev >> >> Where you learn to say, "There's got to be a better way" ;-) > >Nah, I love Zverev. Tables, tables and more tables ;-) > >> >>> Gardner's PLL book >> >> My first specialty book... also have the second edition >> >>> Van der Ziel's book on noise >> >> Motchenbacher& Fitchen >> >I have that one too, but Van der Ziel has this amazing way of teaching >all about device noise and fundamental noise sources that really makes >sense. Should I get a copy of van der Ziel? I'm always pressed to squeeze a little lower NF out of some crappy process :-( > > >So, how about uncorking some good ones from 6 or 7 or 20 years ago? >Most of your NDAs must have expired by now. > >Cheers > >Phil Hobbs I could do that. I did once before... poor reception... way over the dweebs' heads. But I'll try. ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, CTO | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
From: Phil Hobbs on 10 Jan 2010 18:21 On 1/10/2010 4:30 PM, Jim Thompson wrote: > On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 15:45:42 -0500, Phil Hobbs > <pcdhSpamMeSenseless(a)electrooptical.net> wrote: > >> On 1/10/2010 2:57 PM, Jim Thompson wrote: >>> On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 14:39:39 -0500, Phil Hobbs >>> <pcdhSpamMeSenseless(a)electrooptical.net> wrote: >>> >>>> On 1/10/2010 1:39 PM, Ralph Barone wrote: >>>>> .... and yet another thread degenerates into 3rd graders sticking their >>>>> tongues out at each other. I have killfiled everybody who seems to be >>>>> incapable of carrying on an adult conversation but the SNR on s.e.d >>>>> still seems lower than in many other newsgroups. A shame... >>>> >>>> Well, we could talk about what an ideal electronics textbook would look >>>> like. Some of the canonical ones are >>>> >>>> Horowitz& Hill >>> >>> Used only to see what SED posters are referencing ;-) >>> >>>> Grey& Meyer >>> >>> Alvin B. Phillips >>> >>> The whole SEEC series (Thornton, Searle, Pederson, Adler, Angelo) >>> >>> Warner& Grung >>> >>>> Ott >>>> Morrison >>> >>> Don't know those two >>> >>>> The Radar Handbook >>> >>> Which one? MIT? I had Reintjes as a professor. >>> >>>> Zverev >>> >>> Where you learn to say, "There's got to be a better way" ;-) >> >> Nah, I love Zverev. > > Tables, tables and more tables ;-) > >> >>> >>>> Gardner's PLL book >>> >>> My first specialty book... also have the second edition >>> >>>> Van der Ziel's book on noise >>> >>> Motchenbacher& Fitchen >>> >> I have that one too, but Van der Ziel has this amazing way of teaching >> all about device noise and fundamental noise sources that really makes >> sense. > > Should I get a copy of van der Ziel? I'm always pressed to squeeze a > little lower NF out of some crappy process :-( > >> >> >> So, how about uncorking some good ones from 6 or 7 or 20 years ago? >> Most of your NDAs must have expired by now. >> >> Cheers >> >> Phil Hobbs > > I could do that. I did once before... poor reception... way over the > dweebs' heads. But I'll try. > > ...Jim Thompson Van der Ziel wrote several books, starting in the 1950s. The one I have is (I think) his last--"Noise in Solid State Devices and Circuits" (Wiley, 1986). It's a great book, and focuses on the right thing--how to calculate noise in circuits from first principles. It has things like the dependence of BJT shot noise on high level injection, low and high frequency noise of tunnel diodes, various kinds of FETs noise in diode mixers, and a lot on 1/f noise. I'd like to see some more of your stuff--I still want you to write a book, remember--and the Tappet Brothers' "Stump the Chumps" is the best part of the show. (Of course the joke is on them.) ;) Cheers Phil Hobbs -- Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal ElectroOptical Innovations 55 Orchard Rd Briarcliff Manor NY 10510 845-480-2058 hobbs at electrooptical dot net http://electrooptical.net
From: Jim Thompson on 10 Jan 2010 18:45 On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 18:21:59 -0500, Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless(a)electrooptical.net> wrote: >On 1/10/2010 4:30 PM, Jim Thompson wrote: >> On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 15:45:42 -0500, Phil Hobbs >> <pcdhSpamMeSenseless(a)electrooptical.net> wrote: >> [snip] >>> >>> So, how about uncorking some good ones from 6 or 7 or 20 years ago? >>> Most of your NDAs must have expired by now. >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Phil Hobbs >> >> I could do that. I did once before... poor reception... way over the >> dweebs' heads. But I'll try. >> >> ...Jim Thompson > >Van der Ziel wrote several books, starting in the 1950s. The one I have >is (I think) his last--"Noise in Solid State Devices and Circuits" >(Wiley, 1986). It's a great book, and focuses on the right thing--how >to calculate noise in circuits from first principles. It has things >like the dependence of BJT shot noise on high level injection, low and >high frequency noise of tunnel diodes, various kinds of FETs noise in >diode mixers, and a lot on 1/f noise. > >I'd like to see some more of your stuff-- OK. You've got it. Just did a final design/layout review for a chip last Tuesday, so I have a slight breather. I'll look thru my archives for "teasers" ;-) (After I install a dishwasher tomorrow :-( >I still want you to write a >book, remember--and the Tappet Brothers' "Stump the Chumps" is the best >part of the show. (Of course the joke is on them.) ;) > >Cheers > >Phil Hobbs You mean Click 'n' Clack", http://www.cartalk.com/ ?? They're MIT grads also. My daughter, the water chemist, is one of their best fans ;-) ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, CTO | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
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