Art of Electronics, 3rd edition ?
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From: Jim Thompson on 10 Jan 2010 14:57 On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 14:39:39 -0500, Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless(a)electrooptical.net> wrote: >On 1/10/2010 1:39 PM, Ralph Barone wrote: >> .... and yet another thread degenerates into 3rd graders sticking their >> tongues out at each other. I have killfiled everybody who seems to be >> incapable of carrying on an adult conversation but the SNR on s.e.d >> still seems lower than in many other newsgroups. A shame... > >Well, we could talk about what an ideal electronics textbook would look >like. Some of the canonical ones are > >Horowitz & Hill Used only to see what SED posters are referencing ;-) >Grey & Meyer Alvin B. Phillips The whole SEEC series (Thornton, Searle, Pederson, Adler, Angelo) Warner & Grung >Ott >Morrison Don't know those two >The Radar Handbook Which one? MIT? I had Reintjes as a professor. >Zverev Where you learn to say, "There's got to be a better way" ;-) >Gardner's PLL book My first specialty book... also have the second edition >Van der Ziel's book on noise Motchenbacher & Fitchen > >But they're all getting a bit long in the tooth. So if you could >commission the ideal one-volume electronics text, what would it look like? > >I'd like a good strong section on transistors, showing how the device >physics interacts with the circuit design details. Old tube books, e.g. >Terman's, did a much better job at this than the modern ones seem to. >It could start from simple rule-of-thumb CB, CE, and CC designs and then >start going into progressively more detail, on things like saturation, >beta linearity, noise sources, and so forth. (That puzzle of Jim's from >last month about the sawtooth oscillator, for instance.) > >That was a major weak point in H&H, which iirc Win said they'd done >something about for the third edition. > >I think it's possible to do a really good job of this without a whole >lot of math--the interaction of diffusion and drift isn'd hard to >visualize. FETs could fit in there too, though apart from a fair number >of BF862s and the odd power MOS, I don't use a lot of discrete FETs. > >What would everyone else like to see in there? > >Cheers > >Phil Hobbs ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, CTO | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
From: StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt on 10 Jan 2010 14:58 On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 14:39:39 -0500, Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless(a)electrooptical.net> wrote: >But they're all getting a bit long in the tooth. So if you could >commission the ideal one-volume electronics text, what would it look like? Einstein said that 'we should not commit to memory anything that we can look up in a book or table, as it clutters the mind.' So keep them all in electronic, searchable format and stop crying about the length of the tooth.
From: John Larkin on 10 Jan 2010 15:03 On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 14:39:39 -0500, Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless(a)electrooptical.net> wrote: >On 1/10/2010 1:39 PM, Ralph Barone wrote: >> .... and yet another thread degenerates into 3rd graders sticking their >> tongues out at each other. I have killfiled everybody who seems to be >> incapable of carrying on an adult conversation but the SNR on s.e.d >> still seems lower than in many other newsgroups. A shame... > >Well, we could talk about what an ideal electronics textbook would look >like. Some of the canonical ones are > >Horowitz & Hill >Grey & Meyer >Ott >Morrison >The Radar Handbook >Zverev >Gardner's PLL book >Van der Ziel's book on noise > >But they're all getting a bit long in the tooth. So if you could >commission the ideal one-volume electronics text, what would it look like? > >I'd like a good strong section on transistors, showing how the device >physics interacts with the circuit design details. Old tube books, e.g. >Terman's, did a much better job at this than the modern ones seem to. >It could start from simple rule-of-thumb CB, CE, and CC designs and then >start going into progressively more detail, on things like saturation, >beta linearity, noise sources, and so forth. (That puzzle of Jim's from >last month about the sawtooth oscillator, for instance.) > >That was a major weak point in H&H, which iirc Win said they'd done >something about for the third edition. > >I think it's possible to do a really good job of this without a whole >lot of math--the interaction of diffusion and drift isn'd hard to >visualize. FETs could fit in there too, though apart from a fair number >of BF862s and the odd power MOS, I don't use a lot of discrete FETs. PHEMTs rock. > >What would everyone else like to see in there? More real-life diode behavior stuff. FPGAs. More consideration of thermal issues and materials. John
From: Phil Hobbs on 10 Jan 2010 15:35 On 1/10/2010 3:03 PM, John Larkin wrote: > On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 14:39:39 -0500, Phil Hobbs > <pcdhSpamMeSenseless(a)electrooptical.net> wrote: > >> On 1/10/2010 1:39 PM, Ralph Barone wrote: >>> .... and yet another thread degenerates into 3rd graders sticking their >>> tongues out at each other. I have killfiled everybody who seems to be >>> incapable of carrying on an adult conversation but the SNR on s.e.d >>> still seems lower than in many other newsgroups. A shame... >> >> Well, we could talk about what an ideal electronics textbook would look >> like. Some of the canonical ones are >> >> Horowitz& Hill >> Grey& Meyer >> Ott >> Morrison >> The Radar Handbook >> Zverev >> Gardner's PLL book >> Van der Ziel's book on noise >> >> But they're all getting a bit long in the tooth. So if you could >> commission the ideal one-volume electronics text, what would it look like? >> >> I'd like a good strong section on transistors, showing how the device >> physics interacts with the circuit design details. Old tube books, e.g. >> Terman's, did a much better job at this than the modern ones seem to. >> It could start from simple rule-of-thumb CB, CE, and CC designs and then >> start going into progressively more detail, on things like saturation, >> beta linearity, noise sources, and so forth. (That puzzle of Jim's from >> last month about the sawtooth oscillator, for instance.) >> >> That was a major weak point in H&H, which iirc Win said they'd done >> something about for the third edition. >> >> I think it's possible to do a really good job of this without a whole >> lot of math--the interaction of diffusion and drift isn'd hard to >> visualize. FETs could fit in there too, though apart from a fair number >> of BF862s and the odd power MOS, I don't use a lot of discrete FETs. > > PHEMTs rock. I have a few that I bought on spec. I'll have a whack at building something out of them--maybe a FET probe. > >> >> What would everyone else like to see in there? > > > More real-life diode behavior stuff. > > FPGAs. > > More consideration of thermal issues and materials. > > John > Cheers Phil Hobbs -- Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal ElectroOptical Innovations 55 Orchard Rd Briarcliff Manor NY 10510 845-480-2058 hobbs at electrooptical dot net http://electrooptical.net
From: Phil Hobbs on 10 Jan 2010 15:45
On 1/10/2010 2:57 PM, Jim Thompson wrote: > On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 14:39:39 -0500, Phil Hobbs > <pcdhSpamMeSenseless(a)electrooptical.net> wrote: > >> On 1/10/2010 1:39 PM, Ralph Barone wrote: >>> .... and yet another thread degenerates into 3rd graders sticking their >>> tongues out at each other. I have killfiled everybody who seems to be >>> incapable of carrying on an adult conversation but the SNR on s.e.d >>> still seems lower than in many other newsgroups. A shame... >> >> Well, we could talk about what an ideal electronics textbook would look >> like. Some of the canonical ones are >> >> Horowitz& Hill > > Used only to see what SED posters are referencing ;-) > >> Grey& Meyer > > Alvin B. Phillips > > The whole SEEC series (Thornton, Searle, Pederson, Adler, Angelo) > > Warner& Grung > >> Ott >> Morrison > > Don't know those two > >> The Radar Handbook > > Which one? MIT? I had Reintjes as a professor. > >> Zverev > > Where you learn to say, "There's got to be a better way" ;-) Nah, I love Zverev. > >> Gardner's PLL book > > My first specialty book... also have the second edition > >> Van der Ziel's book on noise > > Motchenbacher& Fitchen > I have that one too, but Van der Ziel has this amazing way of teaching all about device noise and fundamental noise sources that really makes sense. So, how about uncorking some good ones from 6 or 7 or 20 years ago? Most of your NDAs must have expired by now. Cheers Phil Hobbs -- Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal ElectroOptical Innovations 55 Orchard Rd Briarcliff Manor NY 10510 845-480-2058 hobbs at electrooptical dot net http://electrooptical.net |