Atoms in molecules have to expand at bond when heated
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From: Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr. on 8 Dec 2009 00:30 On Dec 7, 5:22 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Dec 7, 5:14 pm, Madalch <tress...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Dec 7, 2:52 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > When any atom expands when one of its outer electrons absorbs enough > > > energy to quantum jump it takes the bond electrons with it. > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > If you have a water molecule which absorbs enough energy to knock a > > bonding electron from one orbital to another, you will be moving an > > electron from a bonding molecular orbital into an antibonding orbital. > > > This breaks the hydrogen-oxygen bond, giving you a hydrogen radical > > and a hydroxyl radical. That's not expansion- that's photolysis. > > The electron cannot bond atoms together without staying inbetween > them. > This is a bonding electron and it is in the outer shells of the atoms. > > Mitch Raemsch > Let me understand: you think that as the water warms up, the distance between the nucleii inside its molecule increases? How does it square with the existing quantum theory, and what evidence do you have? Aren't electron orbits independent of the temperature?
From: BURT on 8 Dec 2009 00:49 On Dec 7, 9:30 pm, "Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr." <ostap_bender_1...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > On Dec 7, 5:22 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Dec 7, 5:14 pm, Madalch <tress...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Dec 7, 2:52 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > When any atom expands when one of its outer electrons absorbs enough > > > > energy to quantum jump it takes the bond electrons with it. > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > If you have a water molecule which absorbs enough energy to knock a > > > bonding electron from one orbital to another, you will be moving an > > > electron from a bonding molecular orbital into an antibonding orbital.. > > > > This breaks the hydrogen-oxygen bond, giving you a hydrogen radical > > > and a hydroxyl radical. That's not expansion- that's photolysis. > > > The electron cannot bond atoms together without staying inbetween > > them. > > This is a bonding electron and it is in the outer shells of the atoms. > > > Mitch Raemsch > > Let me understand: you think that as the water warms up, the distance > between the nucleii inside its molecule increases? How does it square > with the existing quantum theory, and what evidence do you have? > Aren't electron orbits independent of the temperature?- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Quantum theories "quantization of energy" doesn't work for the atoms of a mirror absorbing and emitting the full range of light. Quantization is the lesser phenomenon. The outer electron that binds two atoms can absorb and exand both atoms. We call this heat. Light pushes other than bond electrons faster. Mitch Raemsch
From: Salmon Egg on 8 Dec 2009 13:35 In article <db797faf-5ef8-4a98-adb0-391e119c68a0(a)h40g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, "Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr." <ostap_bender_1900(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > Let me understand: you think that as the water warms up, the distance > between the nucleii inside its molecule increases? How does it square > with the existing quantum theory, and what evidence do you have? > Aren't electron orbits independent of the temperature? You are under the misapprehension that facts will change all minds. Bill -- An old man would be better off never having been born.
From: Salmon Egg on 8 Dec 2009 13:40 In article <6fbc89a0-7423-415a-834e-d4d518f591f4(a)h14g2000pri.googlegroups.com>, BURT <macromitch(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > The outer electron that binds two atoms can absorb and exand both > atoms. We call this heat. > Light pushes other than bond electrons faster. I know facts or good theory has little effect on little minds. It turns out that the specific heat of electrons is tiny at ordinary temperatures. Even in metals, the Fermi-Dirac energy distribution hardly changes with temperature until high temperatures are reached. Bill -- An old man would be better off never having been born.
From: BURT on 8 Dec 2009 15:45
On Dec 8, 10:40 am, Salmon Egg <Salmon...(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: > In article > <6fbc89a0-7423-415a-834e-d4d518f59...(a)h14g2000pri.googlegroups.com>, > > BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > The outer electron that binds two atoms can absorb and exand both > > atoms. We call this heat. > > Light pushes other than bond electrons faster. > > I know facts or good theory has little effect on little minds. It turns > out that the specific heat of electrons is tiny at ordinary > temperatures. Even in metals, the Fermi-Dirac energy distribution hardly > changes with temperature until high temperatures are reached. > > Bill > > -- > An old man would be better off never having been born. What is interesting is that quantizations for energy transitions are easily proven to be wrong in most cases. Mitch Raemsch |