BEST OS FOR IBOOK G3/500MHZ/384MB??
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From: David Empson on 4 Jan 2010 15:25 isw <isw(a)witzend.com> wrote: > In article <4b41ae21$0$4805$ba624c82(a)nntp02.dk.telia.net>, > Erik Richard S�rensen <NOSPAM(a)NOSPAM.dk> wrote: > > > When/if you 'strip' the installation this way, I guarantee that you will > > get one of the fastest 500mhz 10.4.x G3 machines at all - even with only > > 384mb of RAM! > > Now I'm curious: why does leaving all those extra languages and printer > drivers off the disk make the machine go faster? Removing them would save a fair amount of disk space, but neglible memory. The additional language files are ignored if that language is not the active one for the application's user interface. There may be memory overhead in the order of tens of bytes to keep track of which languages are supported by a running application, and I doubt the system even notices apart from the point when the application is launched or in places like Finder's Get Info dialog. Printer drivers are similar - they sit on the disk until you need to add a printer. The system may have constructed a list of all of them, but given observed behaviour (it takes a while to display that list) I doubt it keeps any such list in "live" memory. Hence deleting them will make no measurable difference to memory usage. -- David Empson dempson(a)actrix.gen.nz
From: David Empson on 4 Jan 2010 15:25 Erik Richard S�rensen <NOSPAM(a)NOSPAM.dk> wrote: > JF Mezei wrote: > > I had 10.4 on my 350mhz G3. Can't remember how much RAM it had. You can > > find cheap RAM on the internet if you woish to boost it. > > > > Maximum disk size for that vintage is 128gigs. I bought a 160 gig drive > > and it showed up as 128 gig. > > Eeh? - We're not talking about desktops but about a 500mhz iBook... I > have never heard that neither the Pismo 500 nor the iBook 500mhz had the > 128gb limit. I replaced the ordinary 60gb disk with a TravelStar 160gb > and it showed all the space - partitined 60+100gb for OS 9.2.x and OS X > 10.4.11. I still needed (and still does) the OS 9.x bootability and so > did he, who I sold it to 2 years ago... Do you want to try that again? A 500 MHz iBook G3 (mid/late 2001) never came with a hard drive larger than 20 GB (mine had 10 GB). The first iBook model which came with a 60 GB hard drive was the final iBook G3 (900 MHz) in April 2003. MacTracker doesn't know whether iBook G3s support drives larger than 128 GB, but says that iBook G4s (from late 2003) do. There is no difference between laptop and desktop chipsets or drives in terms of ATA protocol versions. Drives larger than 128 GB were supported in ATA-6 (or as an extension to ATA-5), which Apple started using in some desktop models in 2002, but not in PowerBook G4s until 2003. Not enough information on iBook G3s, but I highly doubt they were ahead of the PowerBook G4. -- David Empson dempson(a)actrix.gen.nz
From: Erik Richard Sørensen on 4 Jan 2010 16:39 isw wrote: > Erik Richard Sørensen <NOSPAM(a)NOSPAM.dk> wrote: >> When/if you 'strip' the installation this way, I guarantee that you will >> get one of the fastest 500mhz 10.4.x G3 machines at all - even with only >> 384mb of RAM! > > Now I'm curious: why does leaving all those extra languages and printer > drivers off the disk make the machine go faster? > > Can I just go in and delete them at any time, or do I have to reinstall? > > I have a 400 MHz Pismo that could be more useful if it was a bit more > speedy. If I recall right you can just open the installer and reboot from the disk and then remove all the not-needed printer and language software, - else the best way is to make an 'archive and install' and then just select the needed things in 'Custom install'. All non-needed printerdrivers can just be deleted and so can all the Asian fonts, if you don't need these. Note, that you must be admin to do this. cheers, Erik Richard -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Erik Richard Sørensen, Member of ADC, <mac-manNOSP(a)Mstofanet.dk> NisusWriter - The Future In Multilingual Text Processing - www.nisus.com OpenOffice.org - The Modern Productivity Solution - www.openoffice.org ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: Erik Richard Sørensen on 4 Jan 2010 16:45 David Empson wrote: > Erik Richard Sørensen <NOSPAM(a)NOSPAM.dk> wrote: >> JF Mezei wrote: >>> I had 10.4 on my 350mhz G3. Can't remember how much RAM it had. You can >>> find cheap RAM on the internet if you woish to boost it. >>> >>> Maximum disk size for that vintage is 128gigs. I bought a 160 gig drive >>> and it showed up as 128 gig. >> Eeh? - We're not talking about desktops but about a 500mhz iBook... I >> have never heard that neither the Pismo 500 nor the iBook 500mhz had the >> 128gb limit. I replaced the ordinary 60gb disk with a TravelStar 160gb >> and it showed all the space - partitined 60+100gb for OS 9.2.x and OS X >> 10.4.11. I still needed (and still does) the OS 9.x bootability and so >> did he, who I sold it to 2 years ago... > > Do you want to try that again? A 500 MHz iBook G3 (mid/late 2001) never > came with a hard drive larger than 20 GB (mine had 10 GB). The first > iBook model which came with a 60 GB hard drive was the final iBook G3 > (900 MHz) in April 2003. > > MacTracker doesn't know whether iBook G3s support drives larger than 128 > GB, but says that iBook G4s (from late 2003) do. > > There is no difference between laptop and desktop chipsets or drives in > terms of ATA protocol versions. Drives larger than 128 GB were supported > in ATA-6 (or as an extension to ATA-5), which Apple started using in > some desktop models in 2002, but not in PowerBook G4s until 2003. Not > enough information on iBook G3s, but I highly doubt they were ahead of > the PowerBook G4. No matter what you can say, I have done this and it worked just fine. And for that matter the OP doesn't mention anything about HD size, wheter it still is the original disk or not. Cheers, Erik Richard -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Erik Richard Sørensen, Member of ADC, <mac-manNOSP(a)Mstofanet.dk> NisusWriter - The Future In Multilingual Text Processing - www.nisus.com OpenOffice.org - The Modern Productivity Solution - www.openoffice.org ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: Paul Sture on 4 Jan 2010 17:33
In article <9b5bbb94-9e99-444d-a358-642701ee9b75(a)upsg2000gro.googlegroups.com>, abpp <abpp(a)mail.com> wrote: > I know 10.3 is better than 10.2, and 10.4 better than 10.3, but this > is an old (2001) > iBook G3/500mhz with DVD and only 384 MB of RAM that will not be > upgraded for > some time. So, which one would give me the less sluggishness for this > configuration: > 10.2, 10.3, or 10.4??? I'd go for 10.4 but see if you can get more RAM as well. I recently retired a 600 MHz G3 iBook which has 640 MB (the maximum for that model) and it was definitely faster and more reliable with 10.4 than 10.3. The internal disk failed long ago and I was running it on external Lacie Firewire disks. -- Paul Sture |