BEST OS FOR IBOOK G3/500MHZ/384MB??
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From: JF Mezei on 4 Jan 2010 17:58 abpp wrote: > Ok. I'll upgrade to 10.3 since I don't really think 10.4 will cut it > with this little machine, and 10.2 seems too slow now. 10.4 is more efficient than 10.3. And you'll be able to run much more software with 10.4 than with 10.3 because it is seen as a "last version" and people making compiles will often target 10.4 for the PPC because it supports G3s whereas 10.5 only supports G4/G5).
From: isw on 5 Jan 2010 01:32 In article <4b426027$0$8570$ba624c82(a)nntp06.dk.telia.net>, Erik Richard S�rensen <NOSPAM(a)NOSPAM.dk> wrote: > isw wrote: > > Erik Richard S�rensen <NOSPAM(a)NOSPAM.dk> wrote: > >> When/if you 'strip' the installation this way, I guarantee that you will > >> get one of the fastest 500mhz 10.4.x G3 machines at all - even with only > >> 384mb of RAM! > > > > Now I'm curious: why does leaving all those extra languages and printer > > drivers off the disk make the machine go faster? > > > > Can I just go in and delete them at any time, or do I have to reinstall? > > > > I have a 400 MHz Pismo that could be more useful if it was a bit more > > speedy. > > If I recall right you can just open the installer and reboot from the > disk and then remove all the not-needed printer and language software, - > else the best way is to make an 'archive and install' and then just > select the needed things in 'Custom install'. > > All non-needed printerdrivers can just be deleted and so can all the > Asian fonts, if you don't need these. Note, that you must be admin to do > this. OK, but *why* does that speed up the machine? It's just junk on the disk, isn't it? Isaac
From: Paul Sture on 4 Jan 2010 18:36 In article <1jbu9de.1g9qthq1bisjyxN%dempson(a)actrix.gen.nz>, dempson(a)actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) wrote: > isw <isw(a)witzend.com> wrote: > > > In article <4b41ae21$0$4805$ba624c82(a)nntp02.dk.telia.net>, > > Erik Richard S�rensen <NOSPAM(a)NOSPAM.dk> wrote: > > > > > When/if you 'strip' the installation this way, I guarantee that you will > > > get one of the fastest 500mhz 10.4.x G3 machines at all - even with only > > > 384mb of RAM! > > > > Now I'm curious: why does leaving all those extra languages and printer > > drivers off the disk make the machine go faster? > > Removing them would save a fair amount of disk space, but neglible > memory. > > The additional language files are ignored if that language is not the > active one for the application's user interface. There may be memory > overhead in the order of tens of bytes to keep track of which languages > are supported by a running application, and I doubt the system even > notices apart from the point when the application is launched or in > places like Finder's Get Info dialog. > > Printer drivers are similar - they sit on the disk until you need to add > a printer. The system may have constructed a list of all of them, but > given observed behaviour (it takes a while to display that list) I doubt > it keeps any such list in "live" memory. > > Hence deleting them will make no measurable difference to memory usage. Going back to the time when I was running off my iBook's internal disk of 20 GB, deleting those files did speed up my backups. And I suppose the weekly run of updatedb, but that was about it. Faster and larger disks made it a non-issue. -- Paul Sture
From: Geoffrey S. Mendelson on 5 Jan 2010 02:29 Warren Oates wrote: > Have you ever installed Linux on an older PPC Mac? Which Macs? What > Linux do you recommend for this? If it's a "new world" Mac, then either UBUNTU or YellowDog. UBUNTU is a reduced system that is designed to replace Windows, it's very similar and it's difficult to do things that are not part of "the package". For the average end user, it's pretty good. It's no longer officially supported on PPC Macs, but is supported by the "user community", which may actually be better. You can download an ISO file to burn a CD from mirrors all over the world. For the more sophistocated user, YellowDog is a much "richer" system, which includes some support if you buy it (instead of just downloading it). Neither will really help the original poster of the question because IMHO a 500mHz G3 computer is just not fast enough to fully enjoy the videos and other flash animation of the Disney web site. For most other things, email, general web browsing (without videos), word processing, etc, it's perfectly fine. I would run Tiger on it, because I think it would be better suited for the hardware, but if you want something free (as in no price), go with UBUNTU or YellowDog. Note that if you want something free (as in GNU, i.e. open source), then Tiger would be a better choice as just about everything you would want in open source is available, except for parts of the operating system, which 99.999999% of the people using it will not ever look at anyway. "Old World" Macs are more difficult to install Linux on, but I think his is a "New World" computer. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel gsm(a)mendelson.com N3OWJ/4X1GM New word I coined 12/13/09, "Sub-Wikipedia" adj, describing knowledge or understanding, as in he has a sub-wikipedia understanding of the situation. i.e possessing less facts or information than can be found in the Wikipedia.
From: Erik Richard Sørensen on 5 Jan 2010 08:29
isw wrote: > Erik Richard Sørensen <NOSPAM(a)NOSPAM.dk> wrote: >> isw wrote: >>> Erik Richard Sørensen <NOSPAM(a)NOSPAM.dk> wrote: >>>> When/if you 'strip' the installation this way, I guarantee that you will >>>> get one of the fastest 500mhz 10.4.x G3 machines at all - even with only >>>> 384mb of RAM! >>> Now I'm curious: why does leaving all those extra languages and printer >>> drivers off the disk make the machine go faster? >>> >>> Can I just go in and delete them at any time, or do I have to reinstall? >>> >>> I have a 400 MHz Pismo that could be more useful if it was a bit more >>> speedy. >> If I recall right you can just open the installer and reboot from the >> disk and then remove all the not-needed printer and language software, - >> else the best way is to make an 'archive and install' and then just >> select the needed things in 'Custom install'. >> >> All non-needed printerdrivers can just be deleted and so can all the >> Asian fonts, if you don't need these. Note, that you must be admin to do >> this. > > OK, but *why* does that speed up the machine? It's just junk on the > disk, isn't it? It will not affect common working processes like using text applications or the like, but in startup process it will be faster. Also on a local network it will be faster, 'cause it will be looking through - especially the printer archives - for a connected printer. On the internet it will be faster, if webpages are multilingual because such pages will look for usable fonts on the system to be able to show the correct content. Nowadays more webpages have one or more Asian languages inline and wehn/if you connect to such sites, your fonts will be active and slow down performance, even though you haven't switched to that specific language. If you delete (or just disable) these fonts, you will always force the webpage to not look for usable fonts on your system. Deleting/stripping the languages will not give much increase in performance, but a bit it will, but deleting/disabling never used fonts - again I presume you don't use Asian fonts - these will both increase space and give better performance. Even on my MacPro QuadCore 2.66ghz I have disabled most of the Asian fonts, 'cause more of my apps also contain Asian lproj folders (localizations), and disabling most of these along with the fonts, indeed increase both speed and performance. You can also increase speed by only having very, very few fonts in the system and let the rest be managed by a font manager. I have lots and lots of fonts on the computer - apprx. 380.000, - but only 900 fonts active with 1400 typ0efaces. For this management I use Linotype Fontexplorer X - the free version and not the new Pro version, which now is shareware. Once the font is registered by Fontexplorer, it is 'disabled' from the system and managed by FE and only called, when you select to enable it either permanently or temporarely. Fontexplorer X 1.2.3 http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/27903 You can also increase application performance by disabling non-used languages within the application. Find the application itself - fx. Safari, take a 'get info' on it and down in the 'Get info' window, you will se a list of languages, where up to apprx. 20 lanugages besides English are enabled. If you only use English you can just remove the checkmarks from all the other languages. This will automatically disable those languages and put the localized lproj folders into a new folder called 'Resources Disabled' and by this be de-activated from the application. I use this on some heavy apps like Thotoshop CS2, MSWord 2008 and such real big apps - and hereto on a few apps with Danish lproj, which are so badly translated that I bend my toes each time I see it in Danish.:-) You donot damage anything by disabling the unused languages inside the apps! cheers, Erik Richard -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Erik Richard Sørensen, Member of ADC, <mac-manNOSP(a)Mstofanet.dk> NisusWriter - The Future In Multilingual Text Processing - www.nisus.com OpenOffice.org - The Modern Productivity Solution - www.openoffice.org ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |