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From: Peter on 5 Jul 2010 00:04 "John Navas" <spamfilter1(a)navasgroup.com> wrote in message news:08l236t9rgqgmsnurp8ti4pakbfi8k5vdi(a)4ax.com... > On Sun, 4 Jul 2010 23:25:26 -0400, in > <4c3150d2$0$5505$8f2e0ebb(a)news.shared-secrets.com>, "Peter" > <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote: > >>"John Navas" <spamfilter1(a)navasgroup.com> wrote in message >>news:hui236di9v843di1gqnothhfo3nvjd4pke(a)4ax.com... > >>>>WordPerfect as there first, with great support and reasonable price. For >>>>any >>>>sophisticated use Word sucked, by comparison. >>> >>> We'll just have to agree to disagree on that. >>> >>>>MS had superior marketing and >>>>developer support. When sn ISV can purchase a product for less from a >>>>discount retailer than from the pulisher, do you really think the ISV is >>>>going to stick with that publisher. >>> >>> WordPerfect wasn't as good as Microsoft, but was better than Lotus. Lotus was never intended to be a word processor. >>> >>> But the big issue was simply that it didn't keep up, >>> and Word for Windows killed it. >> >>How many of these did you actually use under battle conditions. > > All of them. I've been in IT for a very long [sigh] time. > I used them both under battle conditions. There was simp[ly no comparison. For short notes Word ws fine. For anything more, Word sucked. Its cross reference and table functions were easily corrupted. Word would totally screw up for large documents, but I did say that before. >>I wonder how many customizations you did of either Word or WordPerfect > > Many of both. Word primarily in enterprise environments. > WordPerfect primarily in legal environments. > Programming in supported languages (macro and procedural). And you didn't find WordPerfect superior to Word? You didn't feel short changed by Novel's and later Corel's support policies? > >>and when >>Which applications did you do with Lotus or Quattro? > > Literally hundreds of spreadsheets of all kinds, > Lotus 1-2-3, Quattro and Quattro Pro, along with Excel, > as well as Multiplan, Symphony, Framework, Improv, Javelin, > and a number of others. > > FWIW, my personal old favorite was Multiplan. > I had forgotten about that. IIRC didn't it morph into Excel. -- Peter
From: nospam on 5 Jul 2010 00:06 In article <4c315766$0$5507$8f2e0ebb(a)news.shared-secrets.com>, Peter <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote: > >> WordPerfect wasn't as good as Microsoft, but was better than Lotus. > > > > in many ways it was much better than microsoft and was (and still is) > > popular for legal documents. > > Most law firms I know have switched to the dark side. some still use wordperfect, but yea, they mostly have switched. it's hard to stop a 100 ton bulldozer. > >> But the big issue was simply that it didn't keep up, > >> and Word for Windows killed it. > > > > actually, microsoft's predatory business tactics is what killed it. > > You somehow made my statements look like Navas's. i would never intentionally do that to anyone! :) > Notwithstanding that, the original WordPerfect for Windows was poorly > developed. It had no real functionality on a network. This was just after > the product was sold to Novel. I went to PC Expo and complained abut the > bug. the "experts" from Novel said they could not duplicate my finding. With > their permission I demonstrated two bugs and it took them several hours to > recover from the "non-existent bugs." Meanwhile, MS was supplying free > copies of Word to legal secretarial school students and almost anyone, > especially IT professionals, who asked. that goes back to their predatory business tactics.
From: John Navas on 5 Jul 2010 00:10 On Sun, 4 Jul 2010 23:39:52 -0400, in <4c315766$0$5507$8f2e0ebb(a)news.shared-secrets.com>, "Peter" <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote: >"nospam" <nospam(a)nospam.invalid> wrote in message >news:040720102018323649%nospam(a)nospam.invalid... >> In article <hui236di9v843di1gqnothhfo3nvjd4pke(a)4ax.com>, John Navas >> <spamfilter1(a)navasgroup.com> wrote: >> >>> >MS had superior marketing and >>> >developer support. When sn ISV can purchase a product for less from a >>> >discount retailer than from the pulisher, do you really think the ISV is >>> >going to stick with that publisher. >>> >>> WordPerfect wasn't as good as Microsoft, but was better than Lotus. >> >> in many ways it was much better than microsoft and was (and still is) >> popular for legal documents. Simply not true. >Most law firms I know have switched to the dark side. True. WordPerfect let the market get away. >>> But the big issue was simply that it didn't keep up, >>> and Word for Windows killed it. >> >> actually, microsoft's predatory business tactics is what killed it. Nope, it lost in the market. >You somehow made my statements look like Navas's. > >Notwithstanding that, the original WordPerfect for Windows was poorly >developed. It had no real functionality on a network. This was just after >the product was sold to Novel. I went to PC Expo and complained abut the >bug. the "experts" from Novel said they could not duplicate my finding. With >their permission I demonstrated two bugs and it took them several hours to >recover from the "non-existent bugs." Meanwhile, MS was supplying free >copies of Word to legal secretarial school students and almost anyone, >especially IT professionals, who asked. Yep. Dismal marketing versus excellent marketing. -- John Buying a dSLR doesn't make you a photographer, it makes you a dSLR owner. "The single most important component of a camera is the twelve inches behind it." -Ansel Adams
From: tony cooper on 5 Jul 2010 00:12 On Mon, 5 Jul 2010 00:04:16 -0400, "Peter" <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote: >>>> WordPerfect wasn't as good as Microsoft, but was better than Lotus. > >Lotus was never intended to be a word processor. That statement jarred me, but I think he was thinking about Lotus's dedicated word processing module. Was it Lotus Notes? At one time I had "SmartSuite" and I think it had a word processing module. The spreadsheet module is "Lotus 1-2-3" (which I still use). -- Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
From: John Navas on 5 Jul 2010 00:16
On Mon, 5 Jul 2010 00:04:16 -0400, in <4c315a05$0$5553$8f2e0ebb(a)news.shared-secrets.com>, "Peter" <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote: >"John Navas" <spamfilter1(a)navasgroup.com> wrote in message >news:08l236t9rgqgmsnurp8ti4pakbfi8k5vdi(a)4ax.com... >> Many of both. Word primarily in enterprise environments. >> WordPerfect primarily in legal environments. >> Programming in supported languages (macro and procedural). > >And you didn't find WordPerfect superior to Word? 'Fraid not, especially the printer drivers. I was a fan of Word almost from the get go (copy of v1 I got at the [now sorely missed] West Coast Computer Faire). >You didn't feel short changed by Novel's and later Corel's support policies? Now that I did! >> FWIW, my personal old favorite was Multiplan. > >I had forgotten about that. IIRC didn't it morph into Excel. They're really quite different. Multiplan was orphaned once Excel took off. I stubbornly held on for a number of years, but eventually gave up. -- John <http:/navasgroup.com> "At every crossway on the road that leads to the future, each progressive spirit is opposed by a thousand men appointed to guard the past." -Maeterlinck |