From: Neil Harrington on 3 Jul 2010 10:02 "tony cooper" <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> wrote in message news:99ft26dn4mb5csbhminrbvgnp8bssk0doj(a)4ax.com... > > I started on an Archives CP/M system with two floppies and no internal > storage disk. The software - VisiCalc or (?) - went in one slot and > the data disk in the second slot. The (?) is word processing. I used > WordStar, but I think I used something before WordStar. On the Apple IIe the first word processor I used was Apple Writer II. Later I used WordStar also -- it didn't run natively on the Apple, but I bought it with a "Star Card," an expansion card with a Z80 processor and its own 64K of memory. Essentially the Star Card was a CP/M "computer on a card" and just used the Apple for I/O. It worked very well, and at that time there were tons of CP/M programs free for the downloading, which was a nice added benefit to the card. > > I'd do spread sheets in VisiCalc and then shut down that drive and > switch disks to word processing and prepare the report. A PItheA, but > far better than manual computations and typing the project. I used VisiCalc too, for investments. As I recall that was the program that really *made* the Apple as a business-oriented computer rather than just a plaything for hobbyists and gamers. Maybe it was also (for the same reason) what got IBM interested in marketing a personal computer. > > I later switched to Lotus 1-2-3 and WordPerfect. I still use Lotus > 1-2-3, but now use Open Office for wp. I got tired of having to > upgrade WordPerfect. > > I've never used the Microsoft wp or spreadsheet programs. Not because > I have anything against Microsoft, but because it is easier to use > what I know. Since switching to PCs in 1985 I've used a lot of w.p. programs including freeware/shareware ones, some of which were quite good. But since 1995, when I bought my first computer that came with Windows and Microsoft Office already installed, I've used nothing but Word and Excel (well, and Works, which has a pretty nice little word processor though its spreadsheet program is worthless). > > I'm not an accountant, but the spreadsheet and word processing > programs made me money. I was able to submit professional appearing > quotations and proposals in a short time using templates I developed. > I'd could get a request for a quote from a hospital on one day, and > turn in a 25 page quote the next day. I'd have the order in my pocket > before my competitors could get theirs in. As far as I can recall, my 27 years of computer ownership have been perfectly profit-free. Well, apart from the fact that they've been an enormous help in buying, tracking, comparing and evaluating investments. Other than that I never made a nickel out of any of 'em. Always enjoyed them though, and still do. A few years before I bought my first computer, a friend of mine (who actually *built* his own, from a kit, with a soldering iron, not just assembling them from parts the way I "build" them now) told me, "Neil, what you need is a computer." And I replied, "Paul, what the hell would I ever do with a computer?" Heh. Now they are practically the center of my life.
From: Peter on 3 Jul 2010 10:02 "Neil Harrington" <nobody(a)homehere.net> wrote in message news:ZZ6dnUQaOL1TqrLRnZ2dnUVZ_u-dnZ2d(a)giganews.com... > > "Peter" <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote in message > news:4c2eaf69$0$5527$8f2e0ebb(a)news.shared-secrets.com... >> "Neil Harrington" <nobody(a)homehere.net> wrote in message >> news:7vOdnVw9c_SR7rPRnZ2dnUVZ_qKdnZ2d(a)giganews.com... >>> >>> "David Ruether" <d_ruether(a)thotmail.com> wrote in message >>> news:i0l7et$c0v$1(a)ruby.cit.cornell.edu... >>>> >>>> "Peter" <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote in message >>>> news:4c2dcc71$0$5540$8f2e0ebb(a)news.shared-secrets.com... >>>> >>>> [...] >>>>> When I did such work on a computer I added a surcharge for computer >>>>> hours. I deliberately used a dot matrix printer because in those days >>>>> there was a perception that if work was done on a computer, it was >>>>> accurate. -- >>>>> Peter >>>> >>>> 8^) >>>> I've been relying on tax software for several years for my federal >>>> and state income taxes, maybe hoping for that same perception - but >>>> this year the IRS informed me that the software had made a mistake, >>>> and that I owed money (of course...! ;-) Your post reminded me to >>>> pay it... :-( >>>> --DR >>> >>> I always did mine manually until about four years ago, now do it online. >>> I'm using TaxSlayer.com now and like it. It's cheap (my main reason for >>> liking it) and so far has worked well. >>> >> >> >> Most of the tax software programs work well for most people. If you have >> a need for a more sophisticated program you probably should pay a >> professional. While the program will do the arithmetic, it will not do >> the thinking. Most programs are designed to strictly adhere to the IRS >> position. There are times when the IRS is simply wrong and you can >> legally, upon proper disclosure, take a contrary position. As an example, >> I had advised someone to take a position contrary to the then published >> IRS position. Most software could not deal with that situation and change >> and the computation would have to be done by hand. Also the inexpensive >> software does not handle even the most basic multi state issues well. . > > My situation I suppose is relatively simple. I'm not in any business and > my investment income is uncomplicated, just mutual funds and stock trades. > My income consists of pension, Social Security, interest and dividends, > MRD from my IRA, capital gains and (the last couple of years!) losses. > TaxSlayer handles all of that well, and my pretty simple state returns > too. I file electronically and notification of acceptance by the IRS is > very prompt, which is nice too. You need to do what ever works best for you. You don't need to be in a business to have a complex return. I know some who invest in REITs. The multi state issues can be a real PITA that a lot of software doesn't handle well. -- Peter
From: tony cooper on 3 Jul 2010 10:15 On Sat, 3 Jul 2010 09:35:51 -0400, "Peter" <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote: >I had looked at Wordstar and Lanier for WP. Lanier offered unlimited and >reliable support, which meant that a new secretary could be up an running in >a day. I thought that dot commands in Wordstar would have a much higher >learning curve, so I spent the extra money. Within two years I scrapped >Lanier in favor of WordPerfect and never looked back. In those days >WordPerfect was owned by the WordPerfect Corporation and their telephone >support was free, great and unlimited. I don't know why you felt the need to >upgrade every year. the original windows version sucked. It took them >several years to get it right and my current version, X4, is compatible with >my old DOS files. When Corel purchased WordPerfect they stopped supporting versions more than two back. I didn't upgrade every year, but I had to upgrade to keep within two versions. I think I started with V 4.x and stopped with V 10.x. They are now at X5 (which would be V 15.0) -- Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
From: Peter on 3 Jul 2010 12:47 "tony cooper" <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> wrote in message news:23hu26520n1ahsvntosta80vgj5ejet7gt(a)4ax.com... > On Sat, 3 Jul 2010 09:35:51 -0400, "Peter" > <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote: > >>I had looked at Wordstar and Lanier for WP. Lanier offered unlimited and >>reliable support, which meant that a new secretary could be up an running >>in >>a day. I thought that dot commands in Wordstar would have a much higher >>learning curve, so I spent the extra money. Within two years I scrapped >>Lanier in favor of WordPerfect and never looked back. In those days >>WordPerfect was owned by the WordPerfect Corporation and their telephone >>support was free, great and unlimited. I don't know why you felt the need >>to >>upgrade every year. the original windows version sucked. It took them >>several years to get it right and my current version, X4, is compatible >>with >>my old DOS files. > > When Corel purchased WordPerfect they stopped supporting versions more > than two back. I didn't upgrade every year, but I had to upgrade to > keep within two versions. I think I started with V 4.x and stopped > with V 10.x. They are now at X5 (which would be V 15.0) Plenty of support for all versions over at the Universe. There are lots of really good people there. Since it is a private operation, trolls are not tolerated. http://www.wpuniverse.com/ -- Peter
From: tony cooper on 3 Jul 2010 14:12
On Sat, 3 Jul 2010 12:47:11 -0400, "Peter" <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote: >"tony cooper" <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> wrote in message >news:23hu26520n1ahsvntosta80vgj5ejet7gt(a)4ax.com... >> On Sat, 3 Jul 2010 09:35:51 -0400, "Peter" >> <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote: >> >>>I had looked at Wordstar and Lanier for WP. Lanier offered unlimited and >>>reliable support, which meant that a new secretary could be up an running >>>in >>>a day. I thought that dot commands in Wordstar would have a much higher >>>learning curve, so I spent the extra money. Within two years I scrapped >>>Lanier in favor of WordPerfect and never looked back. In those days >>>WordPerfect was owned by the WordPerfect Corporation and their telephone >>>support was free, great and unlimited. I don't know why you felt the need >>>to >>>upgrade every year. the original windows version sucked. It took them >>>several years to get it right and my current version, X4, is compatible >>>with >>>my old DOS files. >> >> When Corel purchased WordPerfect they stopped supporting versions more >> than two back. I didn't upgrade every year, but I had to upgrade to >> keep within two versions. I think I started with V 4.x and stopped >> with V 10.x. They are now at X5 (which would be V 15.0) > > >Plenty of support for all versions over at the Universe. >There are lots of really good people there. Since it is a private operation, >trolls are not tolerated. > >http://www.wpuniverse.com/ I don't know when that site came into being, but I didn't know about it when I needed support. The horse is out of the barn. -- Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida |