From: Tzortzakakis Dimitris on

? "Peter" <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> ?????? ??? ??????
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> "Neil Harrington" <nobody(a)homehere.net> wrote in message
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>> "Peter" <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote in message
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>>>> "David Ruether" <d_ruether(a)thotmail.com> wrote in message
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>>>>>
>>>>> "Peter" <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote in message
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>>>>>
>>>>> [...]
>>>>>> When I did such work on a computer I added a surcharge for computer
>>>>>> hours. I deliberately used a dot matrix printer because in those days
>>>>>> there was a perception that if work was done on a computer, it was
>>>>>> accurate. --
>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>
>>>>> 8^)
>>>>> I've been relying on tax software for several years for my federal
>>>>> and state income taxes, maybe hoping for that same perception - but
>>>>> this year the IRS informed me that the software had made a mistake,
>>>>> and that I owed money (of course...! ;-) Your post reminded me to
>>>>> pay it... :-(
>>>>> --DR
>>>>
>>>> I always did mine manually until about four years ago, now do it
>>>> online. I'm using TaxSlayer.com now and like it. It's cheap (my main
>>>> reason for liking it) and so far has worked well.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Most of the tax software programs work well for most people. If you have
>>> a need for a more sophisticated program you probably should pay a
>>> professional. While the program will do the arithmetic, it will not do
>>> the thinking. Most programs are designed to strictly adhere to the IRS
>>> position. There are times when the IRS is simply wrong and you can
>>> legally, upon proper disclosure, take a contrary position. As an
>>> example, I had advised someone to take a position contrary to the then
>>> published IRS position. Most software could not deal with that situation
>>> and change and the computation would have to be done by hand. Also the
>>> inexpensive software does not handle even the most basic multi state
>>> issues well. .
>>
>> My situation I suppose is relatively simple. I'm not in any business and
>> my investment income is uncomplicated, just mutual funds and stock
>> trades. My income consists of pension, Social Security, interest and
>> dividends, MRD from my IRA, capital gains and (the last couple of years!)
>> losses. TaxSlayer handles all of that well, and my pretty simple state
>> returns too. I file electronically and notification of acceptance by the
>> IRS is very prompt, which is nice too.
>
>
> You need to do what ever works best for you. You don't need to be in a
> business to have a complex return. I know some who invest in REITs. The
> multi state issues can be a real PITA that a lot of software doesn't
> handle well.
Here, we do the tax declaration online, via taxisnet. So the software is on
the gov' server. But I always hire an accountant to do everything for me,
it's just too complicated and she knows all the latest laws, changes etc.


--
Tzortzakakis Dimitrios
major in electrical engineering
mechanized infantry reservist
hordad AT otenet DOT gr



From: Peter on
"tony cooper" <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 3 Jul 2010 12:47:11 -0400, "Peter"
> <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote:
>
>>"tony cooper" <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>news:23hu26520n1ahsvntosta80vgj5ejet7gt(a)4ax.com...
>>> On Sat, 3 Jul 2010 09:35:51 -0400, "Peter"
>>> <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I had looked at Wordstar and Lanier for WP. Lanier offered unlimited and
>>>>reliable support, which meant that a new secretary could be up an
>>>>running
>>>>in
>>>>a day. I thought that dot commands in Wordstar would have a much higher
>>>>learning curve, so I spent the extra money. Within two years I scrapped
>>>>Lanier in favor of WordPerfect and never looked back. In those days
>>>>WordPerfect was owned by the WordPerfect Corporation and their telephone
>>>>support was free, great and unlimited. I don't know why you felt the
>>>>need
>>>>to
>>>>upgrade every year. the original windows version sucked. It took them
>>>>several years to get it right and my current version, X4, is compatible
>>>>with
>>>>my old DOS files.
>>>
>>> When Corel purchased WordPerfect they stopped supporting versions more
>>> than two back. I didn't upgrade every year, but I had to upgrade to
>>> keep within two versions. I think I started with V 4.x and stopped
>>> with V 10.x. They are now at X5 (which would be V 15.0)
>>
>>
>>Plenty of support for all versions over at the Universe.
>>There are lots of really good people there. Since it is a private
>>operation,
>>trolls are not tolerated.
>>
>>http://www.wpuniverse.com/
>
> I don't know when that site came into being, but I didn't know about
> it when I needed support. The horse is out of the barn.


It was originally started by Gordon McComb and has been in existence longer
than I have been using WordPerfect.


--
Peter

From: Tzortzakakis Dimitris on

? "tony cooper" <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> ?????? ??? ??????
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> On Fri, 2 Jul 2010 23:32:44 -0400, "Peter"
> <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote:
>>I checked and you are correct. However, I never used a cassete. Until your
>>posting I had no recollection of there being one. AS I said, the only
>>programs I ran on it were VisiCalc and probably a few games.
>>
>>My wordprocessing was done on a Lanier with a propietary program. (Cost
>>between 12 & 14 K with a daisy wheel printer. The machine also ran under a
>>CPM operating system. I did my billing on a home brew program I wrote in
>>dBase.
>>
>>>
>>>> drives. the whole system with an Epson dot matrix printer cost me about
>>>> $4,200, with VisiCalc. As to ROI, I made the cost back in less than 3
>>>> weeks. I was able to do financial analysis and projections more
>>>> efficiently. When I did such work on a computer I added a surcharge for
>>>> computer hours. I deliberately used a dot matrix printer because in
>>>> those
>>>> days there was a perception that if work was done on a computer, it was
>>>> accurate.
>
> I started on an Archives CP/M system with two floppies and no internal
> storage disk. The software - VisiCalc or (?) - went in one slot and
> the data disk in the second slot. The (?) is word processing. I used
> WordStar, but I think I used something before WordStar.
>
> I'd do spread sheets in VisiCalc and then shut down that drive and
> switch disks to word processing and prepare the report. A PItheA, but
> far better than manual computations and typing the project.
>
> I later switched to Lotus 1-2-3 and WordPerfect. I still use Lotus
> 1-2-3, but now use Open Office for wp. I got tired of having to
> upgrade WordPerfect.
>
> I've never used the Microsoft wp or spreadsheet programs. Not because
> I have anything against Microsoft, but because it is easier to use
> what I know.
>
> I'm not an accountant, but the spreadsheet and word processing
> programs made me money. I was able to submit professional appearing
> quotations and proposals in a short time using templates I developed.
> I'd could get a request for a quote from a hospital on one day, and
> turn in a 25 page quote the next day. I'd have the order in my pocket
> before my competitors could get theirs in.
Ditto for me. I'm using Autocad 2006 for my drawings, while most of my
competitors (other electricians) draw with a ball pen! (not even a
Rapidograph-a special black ink pen for drawings). And I learnt Autocad in
college for free!


--
Tzortzakakis Dimitrios
major in electrical engineering
mechanized infantry reservist
hordad AT otenet DOT gr



From: Peter on
"Tzortzakakis Dimitris" <noone(a)nospam.com> wrote in message
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>
> Ditto for me. I'm using Autocad 2006 for my drawings, while most of my
> competitors (other electricians) draw with a ball pen! (not even a
> Rapidograph-a special black ink pen for drawings). And I learnt Autocad in
> college for free!
>

As part of a consulting gig I had to learn how to integrate AutoCad with a
database program for use as a material selection and ordering tool.
So, in a sense I got paid for learning AutoCad.


--
Peter

From: J. Clarke on
On 7/3/2010 9:35 AM, Peter wrote:
> "tony cooper" <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:99ft26dn4mb5csbhminrbvgnp8bssk0doj(a)4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 2 Jul 2010 23:32:44 -0400, "Peter"
>> <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote:
>>> I checked and you are correct. However, I never used a cassete. Until
>>> your
>>> posting I had no recollection of there being one. AS I said, the only
>>> programs I ran on it were VisiCalc and probably a few games.
>>>
>>> My wordprocessing was done on a Lanier with a propietary program. (Cost
>>> between 12 & 14 K with a daisy wheel printer. The machine also ran
>>> under a
>>> CPM operating system. I did my billing on a home brew program I wrote in
>>> dBase.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> drives. the whole system with an Epson dot matrix printer cost me
>>>>> about
>>>>> $4,200, with VisiCalc. As to ROI, I made the cost back in less than 3
>>>>> weeks. I was able to do financial analysis and projections more
>>>>> efficiently. When I did such work on a computer I added a surcharge
>>>>> for
>>>>> computer hours. I deliberately used a dot matrix printer because in
>>>>> those
>>>>> days there was a perception that if work was done on a computer, it
>>>>> was
>>>>> accurate.
>>
>> I started on an Archives CP/M system with two floppies and no internal
>> storage disk. The software - VisiCalc or (?) - went in one slot and
>> the data disk in the second slot. The (?) is word processing. I used
>> WordStar, but I think I used something before WordStar.
>>
>> I'd do spread sheets in VisiCalc and then shut down that drive and
>> switch disks to word processing and prepare the report. A PItheA, but
>> far better than manual computations and typing the project.
>>
>> I later switched to Lotus 1-2-3 and WordPerfect. I still use Lotus
>> 1-2-3, but now use Open Office for wp. I got tired of having to
>> upgrade WordPerfect.
>>
>> I've never used the Microsoft wp or spreadsheet programs. Not because
>> I have anything against Microsoft, but because it is easier to use
>> what I know.
>>
>> I'm not an accountant, but the spreadsheet and word processing
>> programs made me money. I was able to submit professional appearing
>> quotations and proposals in a short time using templates I developed.
>> I'd could get a request for a quote from a hospital on one day, and
>> turn in a 25 page quote the next day. I'd have the order in my pocket
>> before my competitors could get theirs in.
>>
>
> I had looked at Wordstar and Lanier for WP. Lanier offered unlimited and
> reliable support, which meant that a new secretary could be up an
> running in a day. I thought that dot commands in Wordstar would have a
> much higher learning curve, so I spent the extra money.

The thing about Wordstar was that you seldom needed those dot commands
for anything--they were secondary. Most of what you needed to do you
did with the control key and your fingers on the home row. That was the
best thing about it.

Classic case of a company shooting themselves in the foot. If they had
done a proper port to the PC they might still be on top, but anybody who
used Wordstar on the original PC knows that it was too sluggish to be
useful--you'd type a paragraph of text and then go get a cup of coffee
and when you got back the cursor would still be catching up with you.
It wasn't like that on CP/M. I don't know why so many software
companies have trouble recognizing that the market is changing and it's
not going to change back to suit them.

> Within two years
> I scrapped Lanier in favor of WordPerfect and never looked back. In
> those days WordPerfect was owned by the WordPerfect Corporation and
> their telephone support was free, great and unlimited. I don't know why
> you felt the need to upgrade every year. the original windows version
> sucked. It took them several years to get it right and my current
> version, X4, is compatible with my old DOS files.
>
>