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From: Alan Dunlop-Walters on 29 Jul 2010 15:42 On 28/07/2010 20:41, Peter wrote: > > BTW: do your male royals put their pants on one leg at a time, or do > they have some special physical facility. > Oh, green green green. How you wish.
From: Peter on 29 Jul 2010 15:40 "tony cooper" <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> wrote in message news:j39356pml20o0hg1hisuqdk0cssv4nkcik(a)4ax.com... > On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 08:03:00 -0400, "Peter" > <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote: > >>"tony cooper" <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> wrote in message >>news:f5v156dia1ea84665o6ld5tmuudvmse7k5(a)4ax.com... >>> On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 18:42:46 -0400, "Peter" >>> <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote: >>> >> >>>> >>>>I have a friend , Dominik, from Ireland. When I mentioned he was the >>>>first >>>>Irish Dominik I met, he said it was the custom to name children after >>>>the >>>>saint whose day was closest to the birthday. He figured that had he been >>>>born a day later. his name would have been Bridget. >>> >>> It's not an uncommon name for an Irish male if it's spelled "Dominic". >>> St Dominic (there have been several, but Dominic of Osma is the most >>> well-known) was born in Spain. The Order of Preachers, known as the >>> Dominican Order, is well-known to Catholics. >>> >>> You may know of Dominican College in Orangeburg, NY. >>> >>> If your friend was born on August 8th, that's Dominic's Feast Day. >>> August 9th is the Feast Day for Saint Teresia Benedicta of the Cross. >>> He could have been "Terry". Saint Teresa, by the way, was born >>> Jewish, became an atheist, and then converted to Christianity when she >>> was 30. She died in the gas chamber at Auschwitz. >>> >>> Nuns, like kings and popes, take on names they were not born with. >>> Saint Teresia was born Edith Stein but took the name of Teresa (her >>> spelling) Benedicta McCarthy after Teresa's miraculous recovery from >>> an accidental overdose of paracetamol (aspirin, to us). >>> >>> St Bridget's day is July 23rd, but just for English Catholics. (There >>> is a general calendar of feast days, and some countries have their own >>> calendar.) Dominic does not have a day on the English calendar. >>> >>> Thanks for bringing up this subject. It reminded me of Dominic Behan >>> (Brendan Behan's brother) and his songs "The Patriot Game" and >>> "Liverpool Lou". I'm a collector and fan of Irish music, and I had >>> to pull out my "The Dubliners" CD and play them. (Not to be confused >>> with the movie, "The Patriot Games".) >>> >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpOOy7voiZI is one cover of "The >>> Patriot Game". >>> >> >> I did misspell his name. I should have written "Dominic." >>As far as his comment goes, he is the sort of guy who was always playing >>jokes and making wisecracks. > > We of Irish descent are like that, so. That explains a lot of things about your postings. :-) > > Naming conventions are family decisions. If there's no family > convention that says to name the person a certain way, the mother > (sometimes the father even gets a say) picks a name that she likes. > In Dominic's case, the name picked follows a convention but the name > picked happened to follow a convention of a different group. It may > be that the name was picked because someone admired had that name. > > My mother picked "Anthony" (After either Anthony Eden or Anthony > Adverse; both familiar names in the year I was born) because she was > tired of the usual typical Irish first names in the family. There is > a St Anthony, but that had nothing to do with my mother's decision. > It was merely convenient that I had a saint's name so there was no > need for saint's name as a middle name. > > I've never like "Anthony" or "Tony". People want to assume that I'm > of Italian heritage and there isn't an Italian in the tree. Nothing > against the Italians, but I get tired of explaining that I'm not. > You could have changed it at any time, if your really wanted to. -- Peter
From: tony cooper on 29 Jul 2010 16:27
On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 15:40:51 -0400, "Peter" <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote: >> I've never like "Anthony" or "Tony". People want to assume that I'm >> of Italian heritage and there isn't an Italian in the tree. Nothing >> against the Italians, but I get tired of explaining that I'm not. >> > > >You could have changed it at any time, if your really wanted to. Theoretically, true. I forget which, but I tried an entire school year in primary school to be called "Andy". That was the closest acceptable name to "Anthony" that I could think of. I put "Andy" on school papers and told people my name was "Andy". No one paid attention. I don't remember anyone ever calling me "Andy". I never had a nickname that stuck. I hoped for "Ace" (A. Cooper), but no one ever used it. I don't think I'd want to be an "Ace" today, though. That's kind of a used car salesman or pool hustler name. Changing a name isn't all that easy. A friend of mine in high school had a religious/ethnic name and changed it legally, but it caused him a great deal of problems in getting transcripts and such when he went to college. I imagine it was a problem when he applied for a passport when he took a study year abroad in college. Once a name has been established in records, it's difficult to change. Women can go from a maiden name to a married name, or from one married name to a new married name, but it's harder for men. We find it acceptable for a woman to take on a married name, but a bit strange when a man changes his first name. Most successful name changes are nicknames that stuck. I know a "Buck" and a "Trey", but I don't know their real first names. The advantage there is that the acceptance is over a period of time. -- Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida |