CPLD + MCU SoC from Cypress, free samples too!
in [FPGA]
|
From: Antti on 5 Nov 2009 06:18 both free samples and 49$ starterkit available, my should be airborn right now somewhere between Paris and my place. The CPLD is small, 190MC, but it still much more then the 16MC availabel in ADI's ADuCs or ST's uPSD devices. PSoC 5, Cortex based devices will probably only be available next year Antti
From: rickman on 5 Nov 2009 20:16 On Nov 5, 6:18 am, Antti <antti.luk...(a)googlemail.com> wrote: > both free samples and 49$ starterkit available, my should be airborn > right now somewhere between Paris and my place. > > The CPLD is small, 190MC, but it still much more then the 16MC > availabel in ADI's ADuCs or ST's uPSD devices. > > PSoC 5, Cortex based devices will probably only be available next year > > Antti You didn't say what product this is. I assume it is the 8051 version of the new PSOC? Do they call that the PSOC 3? I don't know what is going on with Cypress. They have been saying the PSOC whatever will be out "next year" since 2006. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me! I guess they may finally be shipping PSOC 3. I can't find a while paper on the PSOC 3/5 anywhere. Is that because they don't have one or because it is hidden behind all the video and flash stuff on their site? I guess it is also too much to ask for a selection guide rather than having to read through all the data sheets just to find out what combinations of features they are offering. Bah! I see one version of the PSOC 5 has the high resolution ADC while *all* of the PSOC 3 with the 8051 CPU have the high resolution ADC. I don't see where any of them have two channels or comparable DACs. I'm actually guessing you aren't talking about the PSOC 3. You describe a 190 cell CPLD, but the PSOC digital blocks are not generically programmable. They have predefined function blocks and I don't believe they offer detailed info on rolling your own function blocks. I guess this has changed from the PSOC 1 tools. But it appears you have to use their graphical tool rather than an HDL. Jeeze! They can't even make a table of contents that works. It points to some file called "001-55036-1.pdf". I guess that's why it's preliminary... Rick
From: Antti on 6 Nov 2009 00:01 On Nov 6, 3:16 am, rickman <gnu...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Nov 5, 6:18 am, Antti <antti.luk...(a)googlemail.com> wrote: > > > both free samples and 49$ starterkit available, my should be airborn > > right now somewhere between Paris and my place. > > > The CPLD is small, 190MC, but it still much more then the 16MC > > availabel in ADI's ADuCs or ST's uPSD devices. > > > PSoC 5, Cortex based devices will probably only be available next year > > > Antti > > You didn't say what product this is. I assume it is the 8051 version > of the new PSOC? Do they call that the PSOC 3? > > I don't know what is going on with Cypress. They have been saying the > PSOC whatever will be out "next year" since 2006. Fool me once, shame > on you, fool me twice, shame on me! I guess they may finally be > shipping PSOC 3. I can't find a while paper on the PSOC 3/5 > anywhere. Is that because they don't have one or because it is hidden > behind all the video and flash stuff on their site? I guess it is > also too much to ask for a selection guide rather than having to read > through all the data sheets just to find out what combinations of > features they are offering. Bah! > > I see one version of the PSOC 5 has the high resolution ADC while > *all* of the PSOC 3 with the 8051 CPU have the high resolution ADC. I > don't see where any of them have two channels or comparable DACs. > > I'm actually guessing you aren't talking about the PSOC 3. You > describe a 190 cell CPLD, but the PSOC digital blocks are not > generically programmable. They have predefined function blocks and I > don't believe they offer detailed info on rolling your own function > blocks. I guess this has changed from the PSOC 1 tools. But it > appears you have to use their graphical tool rather than an HDL. > > Jeeze! They can't even make a table of contents that works. It > points to some file called "001-55036-1.pdf". I guess that's why it's > preliminary... > > Rick Rick, I agree on many accounts, something is badly wrong with Cypress, ok some explanations: I was talking PSoC 3, yes, and it HAS VERILOG programmable general purpose CPLD module! I have tested the software and it uses cypress warp compiler the missing "selection" guide is really PITA, I was trying to compare the PSoC 1 versions, and just did give up! Ok, from my point, Cypress could drop ALL their products and just keep PSoC 3 :) See actually initially it was like that, PSoC was done by separate company (owned by cypress), for some reason that was changed later and PSoC was taken back to mother company Antti
From: -jg on 6 Nov 2009 04:47 On Nov 6, 6:01 pm, Antti <antti.luk...(a)googlemail.com> wrote: > ok some explanations: I was talking PSoC 3, yes, and it > HAS VERILOG programmable general purpose CPLD module! > I have tested the software and it uses cypress warp compiler > the missing "selection" guide is really PITA, I was trying to compare > the PSoC 1 versions, and just did give up! The PSoC3 has some nice looking features, and I see it has an errata, so real silicon is edging closer.... > Ok, from my point, Cypress could drop ALL their products and just > keep PSoC 3 :) Not at the prices they are indicating at the moment! You have to really need a good portion of all the resource, to be able to justify the costs. That's always been the achilles heel of such 'System on Chip' pitches - -jg ..
From: rickman on 6 Nov 2009 11:35
On Nov 6, 4:47 am, -jg <jim.granvi...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Nov 6, 6:01 pm, Antti <antti.luk...(a)googlemail.com> wrote: > > > ok some explanations: I was talking PSoC 3, yes, and it > > HAS VERILOG programmable general purpose CPLD module! > > I have tested the software and it uses cypress warp compiler > > the missing "selection" guide is really PITA, I was trying to compare > > the PSoC 1 versions, and just did give up! > > The PSoC3 has some nice looking features, and I see it has an errata, > so real silicon is edging closer.... > > > Ok, from my point, Cypress could drop ALL their products and just > > keep PSoC 3 :) > > Not at the prices they are indicating at the moment! > You have to really need a good portion of all the resource, > to be able to justify the costs. > > That's always been the achilles heel of such 'System on Chip' pitches Where did you find prices? Rick |