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From: Y.Porat on 1 Feb 2010 02:45 On Jan 31, 11:00 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Jan 31, 3:44 pm, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jan 31, 10:07 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Jan 31, 2:44 pm, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jan 31, 9:29 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Jan 31, 12:25 pm, "Y decoherence of the > > > > > associated aether displacement wave (i.e. the wave is turned into > > > > > chop) and there is no interference and the direction the C-60 molecule > > > > > travels is not altered. > > > > > ---------------- > > > > common > > > > will you tel me - and exactly once and for all > > > > what is that C-60 molecule?? > > > > > if it is composedof a few Carbon or carbon isotope as we know from > > > > conventional science > > > > or is it an invention of yours > > > > **including Aether !! > > > > i must know the facts before answering > > > > please answer quick before i am going to sleep > > > > > (it seems that i am living at the other side of this globe (:-)) > > > > > TIA > > > > Y.Porat > > > > You should be able to look-up and figure out what a C-60 molecule is > > > on your own, but I will answer it for you: > > > >http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/blobchaser/Graphics/AC3D/MetaC60.jpg > > > ---------------------- > > ok but still there are some questions about it > > i understand thatit is a huge molecule of Carbon 12 > > right? > > 2 > > still not clear if it is net C 12 > > or there is some of them C 13 or C 14 etc?? > > anyway > > there is something you dont get; > > > the real physical entity that is interfering withitself is > > WHILE TH EENTITY IS PASSING THROUGH > > BOTH SLITS EQUALLY > > iow > > it is exactly the same entity that pased through > > left sliy and right slit > > it is NOT > > different entities in each slit > > 2 > > i am talking about a single physical entity > > not a multi entiry that is sub divided ! > > and you tell me a completely differnt story > > you youself say that the C60 is mpassing only through > > ONE slit > > and that is excactly my claijm against the alleged entity > > passing through the *two* slits > > so you actually confirm my claim !! > > 3 > > while you deal with 60 Atoms why wonder that it is acompanied by a > > quite big 'vail' or sub entites like eelctrons > > may be even neutrons > > and MAINLY A WHOLE 'AMY' of EM waives > > > those company escorting the main C 60 -- waves are known physical > > entities you a enot discovering anything new > > but it is not your Aether > > so > > all those accompanied entities can pass the other slit as well > > no big deal or innovation > > > but it is not our OP subject (issue ) > > we deal with a single (alleged single) entity > > that is alleged to pass** evenly** at the two slits > > (it is not the case you brought ) > > > and > > it is not your spooky Aether !! > > > is it clear enough at last ?? > > > ATB > > Y.Porat > > -------------------- > > It is not clear at all. You still are unable or unwilling to answer > how it is the C-60 molecule is able to be detected exiting a single > slit when detectors are placed at the exits to the slits the instant > prior to the C-60 molecule exiting the slit(s). > > The C-60 molecule creates a displacement wave in the aether and it is > the displacement wave which enters and exits the available slits while > the C-60 molecule enters and exits a single slit. ------------------ i am unable?? youare unable!! i explaind that you are mistaken if you think that even according current understanding and knowlwdge a C 60 molecule is a super composed physical entity it is enourmously divisible itis not net protons and neutrons it is **acompanied** by a big accompanied family of ascociated 'sateliting' electrons neutrns AND NOTTOMENSION EM WAVES a whole vast spectrum of EM waves much more than one length wave length so that is in fact and proven your' aciciated wave " it is not Aether it is known physical enetites and mymainpoint it that your example is not RELEVANT to my op post ! we are dealing here with a SINGLE PHYSICAL ENTITY NOT A WHOLE CONGLOMERATION OF PHYSICALENTITY and i wanted to refute the paradigm that such single entity can intefere withitself the current interfere withitself is that both slits get the same exactly the same physical entity passing trough both slits at the same time got it now you example is *rather a good argument for me!! because as you say the C 60 was passing only through onje slit and its 'company entities passing through the other slit' SO YOU ACTUALLY HAVE NO ARGUMENT WITH ME you actually confirm me !! so thanks for that.. ATB Y.Porat --------------------------
From: mpc755 on 1 Feb 2010 10:18 On Feb 1, 2:45 am, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Jan 31, 11:00 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jan 31, 3:44 pm, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Jan 31, 10:07 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jan 31, 2:44 pm, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Jan 31, 9:29 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jan 31, 12:25 pm, "Y decoherence of the > > > > > > associated aether displacement wave (i.e. the wave is turned into > > > > > > chop) and there is no interference and the direction the C-60 molecule > > > > > > travels is not altered. > > > > > > ---------------- > > > > > common > > > > > will you tel me - and exactly once and for all > > > > > what is that C-60 molecule?? > > > > > > if it is composedof a few Carbon or carbon isotope as we know from > > > > > conventional science > > > > > or is it an invention of yours > > > > > **including Aether !! > > > > > i must know the facts before answering > > > > > please answer quick before i am going to sleep > > > > > > (it seems that i am living at the other side of this globe (:-)) > > > > > > TIA > > > > > Y.Porat > > > > > You should be able to look-up and figure out what a C-60 molecule is > > > > on your own, but I will answer it for you: > > > > >http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/blobchaser/Graphics/AC3D/MetaC60.jpg > > > > ---------------------- > > > ok but still there are some questions about it > > > i understand thatit is a huge molecule of Carbon 12 > > > right? > > > 2 > > > still not clear if it is net C 12 > > > or there is some of them C 13 or C 14 etc?? > > > anyway > > > there is something you dont get; > > > > the real physical entity that is interfering withitself is > > > WHILE TH EENTITY IS PASSING THROUGH > > > BOTH SLITS EQUALLY > > > iow > > > it is exactly the same entity that pased through > > > left sliy and right slit > > > it is NOT > > > different entities in each slit > > > 2 > > > i am talking about a single physical entity > > > not a multi entiry that is sub divided ! > > > and you tell me a completely differnt story > > > you youself say that the C60 is mpassing only through > > > ONE slit > > > and that is excactly my claijm against the alleged entity > > > passing through the *two* slits > > > so you actually confirm my claim !! > > > 3 > > > while you deal with 60 Atoms why wonder that it is acompanied by a > > > quite big 'vail' or sub entites like eelctrons > > > may be even neutrons > > > and MAINLY A WHOLE 'AMY' of EM waives > > > > those company escorting the main C 60 -- waves are known physical > > > entities you a enot discovering anything new > > > but it is not your Aether > > > so > > > all those accompanied entities can pass the other slit as well > > > no big deal or innovation > > > > but it is not our OP subject (issue ) > > > we deal with a single (alleged single) entity > > > that is alleged to pass** evenly** at the two slits > > > (it is not the case you brought ) > > > > and > > > it is not your spooky Aether !! > > > > is it clear enough at last ?? > > > > ATB > > > Y.Porat > > > -------------------- > > > It is not clear at all. You still are unable or unwilling to answer > > how it is the C-60 molecule is able to be detected exiting a single > > slit when detectors are placed at the exits to the slits the instant > > prior to the C-60 molecule exiting the slit(s). > > > The C-60 molecule creates a displacement wave in the aether and it is > > the displacement wave which enters and exits the available slits while > > the C-60 molecule enters and exits a single slit. > > ------------------ > i am unable?? > youare unable!! > i explaind that you are mistaken > if you think that even according current understanding and knowlwdge > > a C 60 molecule is a super composed physical entity it is enourmously > divisible > itis not net protons and neutrons > > it is **acompanied** by a big accompanied > family of ascociated 'sateliting' > electrons neutrns > AND NOTTOMENSION EM WAVES > a whole vast spectrum of EM waves > much more than one length wave length > so that is in fact and proven > your' aciciated wave " > it is not Aether it is known physical enetites > and mymainpoint it > that your example is not RELEVANT to my op post ! > we are dealing here with a > SINGLE PHYSICAL ENTITY > NOT A WHOLE CONGLOMERATION OF PHYSICALENTITY > and i wanted to refute the paradigm > that such single entity can intefere withitself > the current interfere withitself > is that > both slits get the same exactly the same > physical entity passing trough both slits > at the same time > got it > now you example is *rather a good argument for me!! > because as you say > the C 60 was passing only through onje slit > and its 'company entities passing through the other slit' > SO YOU ACTUALLY HAVE NO ARGUMENT WITH ME > you actually confirm me !! > so thanks for that.. > > ATB > Y.Porat > -------------------------- A double slit experiment is performed in a vacuum. There is nothing moving towards the slits other than the C-60 molecule itself. We are in agreement the C-60 molecule enters and exits a single slit. In AD, the 'accompanying entities' associated with the moving C-60 molecule is the associated aether displacement wave. In your understanding of a double slit experiment with a C-60 molecule, what do you define as the 'accompanying entities'? In your understanding of a double slit experiment with a C-60 molecule, what enters and exits all of the slits in order for there to be interference?
From: Y.Porat on 1 Feb 2010 11:53 On Feb 1, 5:18 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Feb 1, 2:45 am, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jan 31, 11:00 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Jan 31, 3:44 pm, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jan 31, 10:07 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Jan 31, 2:44 pm, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jan 31, 9:29 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Jan 31, 12:25 pm, "Y decoherence of the > > > > > > > associated aether displacement wave (i.e. the wave is turned into > > > > > > > chop) and there is no interference and the direction the C-60 molecule > > > > > > > travels is not altered. > > > > > > > ---------------- > > > > > > common > > > > > > will you tel me - and exactly once and for all > > > > > > what is that C-60 molecule?? > > > > > > > if it is composedof a few Carbon or carbon isotope as we know from > > > > > > conventional science > > > > > > or is it an invention of yours > > > > > > **including Aether !! > > > > > > i must know the facts before answering > > > > > > please answer quick before i am going to sleep > > > > > > > (it seems that i am living at the other side of this globe (:-)) > > > > > > > TIA > > > > > > Y.Porat > > > > > > You should be able to look-up and figure out what a C-60 molecule is > > > > > on your own, but I will answer it for you: > > > > > >http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/blobchaser/Graphics/AC3D/MetaC60.jpg > > > > > ---------------------- > > > > ok but still there are some questions about it > > > > i understand thatit is a huge molecule of Carbon 12 > > > > right? > > > > 2 > > > > still not clear if it is net C 12 > > > > or there is some of them C 13 or C 14 etc?? > > > > anyway > > > > there is something you dont get; > > > > > the real physical entity that is interfering withitself is > > > > WHILE TH EENTITY IS PASSING THROUGH > > > > BOTH SLITS EQUALLY > > > > iow > > > > it is exactly the same entity that pased through > > > > left sliy and right slit > > > > it is NOT > > > > different entities in each slit > > > > 2 > > > > i am talking about a single physical entity > > > > not a multi entiry that is sub divided ! > > > > and you tell me a completely differnt story > > > > you youself say that the C60 is mpassing only through > > > > ONE slit > > > > and that is excactly my claijm against the alleged entity > > > > passing through the *two* slits > > > > so you actually confirm my claim !! > > > > 3 > > > > while you deal with 60 Atoms why wonder that it is acompanied by a > > > > quite big 'vail' or sub entites like eelctrons > > > > may be even neutrons > > > > and MAINLY A WHOLE 'AMY' of EM waives > > > > > those company escorting the main C 60 -- waves are known physical > > > > entities you a enot discovering anything new > > > > but it is not your Aether > > > > so > > > > all those accompanied entities can pass the other slit as well > > > > no big deal or innovation > > > > > but it is not our OP subject (issue ) > > > > we deal with a single (alleged single) entity > > > > that is alleged to pass** evenly** at the two slits > > > > (it is not the case you brought ) > > > > > and > > > > it is not your spooky Aether !! > > > > > is it clear enough at last ?? > > > > > ATB > > > > Y.Porat > > > > -------------------- > > > > It is not clear at all. You still are unable or unwilling to answer > > > how it is the C-60 molecule is able to be detected exiting a single > > > slit when detectors are placed at the exits to the slits the instant > > > prior to the C-60 molecule exiting the slit(s). > > > > The C-60 molecule creates a displacement wave in the aether and it is > > > the displacement wave which enters and exits the available slits while > > > the C-60 molecule enters and exits a single slit. > > > ------------------ > > i am unable?? > > youare unable!! > > i explaind that you are mistaken > > if you think that even according current understanding and knowlwdge > > > a C 60 molecule is a super composed physical entity it is enourmously > > divisible > > itis not net protons and neutrons > > > it is **acompanied** by a big accompanied > > family of ascociated 'sateliting' > > electrons neutrns > > AND NOTTOMENSION EM WAVES > > a whole vast spectrum of EM waves > > much more than one length wave length > > so that is in fact and proven > > your' aciciated wave " > > it is not Aether it is known physical enetites > > and mymainpoint it > > that your example is not RELEVANT to my op post ! > > we are dealing here with a > > SINGLE PHYSICAL ENTITY > > NOT A WHOLE CONGLOMERATION OF PHYSICALENTITY > > and i wanted to refute the paradigm > > that such single entity can intefere withitself > > the current interfere withitself > > is that > > both slits get the same exactly the same > > physical entity passing trough both slits > > at the same time > > got it > > now you example is *rather a good argument for me!! > > because as you say > > the C 60 was passing only through onje slit > > and its 'company entities passing through the other slit' > > SO YOU ACTUALLY HAVE NO ARGUMENT WITH ME > > you actually confirm me !! > > so thanks for that.. > > > ATB > > Y.Porat > > -------------------------- > > A double slit experiment is performed in a vacuum. ------------ -wrong as a fact !! you dont know th e facts it i s done in regualr conditions just show me where from you took that ciame of yours i for instance never heard about such condition ------- There is nothing > moving towards the slits other than the C-60 molecule itself. ok you even said and i agreed that the ** net *** C-60 moves only towards just slit and even get out --only through one slit ----------- > > We are in agreement the C-60 molecule enters and exits a single slit. ok > > In AD, the 'accompanying entities' associated with the moving C-60 connon i told you explicitly waht are those associated entities with that C-60 IT IS NOT AETHER it i slong known entities like eelctrons for isotopns of Carbon it can be emited neutrons and electrons and on top ofit a vast rage of EM waves electromagnetic waves) had you never heard about it?? (BTW how long are you in physics ??) > molecule is the associated aether displacement wave. that is your private imagination that was never proved scientifically !! ----------- > > In your understanding of a double slit experiment with a C-60 > molecule, what do you define as the 'accompanying entities'? In your > understanding of a double slit experiment with a C-60 molecule, what > enters and exits all of the slits in order for there to be > interference? ------------ i told you in one slit -just the C-60 and may be even **some** of the 'associated' while at the other slit ONLY THE ASSOCIATED ENTITIES! that **you call **an Aether wave you suplied me with another prove tomy calim that a single physics entity cannot interfere withitself th e common understanding of 'interfering with itself '''is that what moves in one slit IS EXACTLY the same as what moves in the other slit! and for me it is an enormous physics stupidity to think that a single physical entity can interfere with itself !! it is exactly as saying that you can dance in two weddings at the same time (:-)... ddint you know it ?? and therefor i wrote the above thread !! but proved its absurd even by the HUP principle !! not only by simple logic ATB Y.Porat --------------------
From: mpc755 on 1 Feb 2010 12:08 On Feb 1, 11:53 am, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Feb 1, 5:18 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Feb 1, 2:45 am, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Jan 31, 11:00 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jan 31, 3:44 pm, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Jan 31, 10:07 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jan 31, 2:44 pm, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Jan 31, 9:29 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Jan 31, 12:25 pm, "Y decoherence of the > > > > > > > > associated aether displacement wave (i.e. the wave is turned into > > > > > > > > chop) and there is no interference and the direction the C-60 molecule > > > > > > > > travels is not altered. > > > > > > > > ---------------- > > > > > > > common > > > > > > > will you tel me - and exactly once and for all > > > > > > > what is that C-60 molecule?? > > > > > > > > if it is composedof a few Carbon or carbon isotope as we know from > > > > > > > conventional science > > > > > > > or is it an invention of yours > > > > > > > **including Aether !! > > > > > > > i must know the facts before answering > > > > > > > please answer quick before i am going to sleep > > > > > > > > (it seems that i am living at the other side of this globe (:-)) > > > > > > > > TIA > > > > > > > Y.Porat > > > > > > > You should be able to look-up and figure out what a C-60 molecule is > > > > > > on your own, but I will answer it for you: > > > > > > >http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/blobchaser/Graphics/AC3D/MetaC60.jpg > > > > > > ---------------------- > > > > > ok but still there are some questions about it > > > > > i understand thatit is a huge molecule of Carbon 12 > > > > > right? > > > > > 2 > > > > > still not clear if it is net C 12 > > > > > or there is some of them C 13 or C 14 etc?? > > > > > anyway > > > > > there is something you dont get; > > > > > > the real physical entity that is interfering withitself is > > > > > WHILE TH EENTITY IS PASSING THROUGH > > > > > BOTH SLITS EQUALLY > > > > > iow > > > > > it is exactly the same entity that pased through > > > > > left sliy and right slit > > > > > it is NOT > > > > > different entities in each slit > > > > > 2 > > > > > i am talking about a single physical entity > > > > > not a multi entiry that is sub divided ! > > > > > and you tell me a completely differnt story > > > > > you youself say that the C60 is mpassing only through > > > > > ONE slit > > > > > and that is excactly my claijm against the alleged entity > > > > > passing through the *two* slits > > > > > so you actually confirm my claim !! > > > > > 3 > > > > > while you deal with 60 Atoms why wonder that it is acompanied by a > > > > > quite big 'vail' or sub entites like eelctrons > > > > > may be even neutrons > > > > > and MAINLY A WHOLE 'AMY' of EM waives > > > > > > those company escorting the main C 60 -- waves are known physical > > > > > entities you a enot discovering anything new > > > > > but it is not your Aether > > > > > so > > > > > all those accompanied entities can pass the other slit as well > > > > > no big deal or innovation > > > > > > but it is not our OP subject (issue ) > > > > > we deal with a single (alleged single) entity > > > > > that is alleged to pass** evenly** at the two slits > > > > > (it is not the case you brought ) > > > > > > and > > > > > it is not your spooky Aether !! > > > > > > is it clear enough at last ?? > > > > > > ATB > > > > > Y.Porat > > > > > -------------------- > > > > > It is not clear at all. You still are unable or unwilling to answer > > > > how it is the C-60 molecule is able to be detected exiting a single > > > > slit when detectors are placed at the exits to the slits the instant > > > > prior to the C-60 molecule exiting the slit(s). > > > > > The C-60 molecule creates a displacement wave in the aether and it is > > > > the displacement wave which enters and exits the available slits while > > > > the C-60 molecule enters and exits a single slit. > > > > ------------------ > > > i am unable?? > > > youare unable!! > > > i explaind that you are mistaken > > > if you think that even according current understanding and knowlwdge > > > > a C 60 molecule is a super composed physical entity it is enourmously > > > divisible > > > itis not net protons and neutrons > > > > it is **acompanied** by a big accompanied > > > family of ascociated 'sateliting' > > > electrons neutrns > > > AND NOTTOMENSION EM WAVES > > > a whole vast spectrum of EM waves > > > much more than one length wave length > > > so that is in fact and proven > > > your' aciciated wave " > > > it is not Aether it is known physical enetites > > > and mymainpoint it > > > that your example is not RELEVANT to my op post ! > > > we are dealing here with a > > > SINGLE PHYSICAL ENTITY > > > NOT A WHOLE CONGLOMERATION OF PHYSICALENTITY > > > and i wanted to refute the paradigm > > > that such single entity can intefere withitself > > > the current interfere withitself > > > is that > > > both slits get the same exactly the same > > > physical entity passing trough both slits > > > at the same time > > > got it > > > now you example is *rather a good argument for me!! > > > because as you say > > > the C 60 was passing only through onje slit > > > and its 'company entities passing through the other slit' > > > SO YOU ACTUALLY HAVE NO ARGUMENT WITH ME > > > you actually confirm me !! > > > so thanks for that.. > > > > ATB > > > Y.Porat > > > -------------------------- > > > A double slit experiment is performed in a vacuum. > > ------------ > -wrong as a fact !! > you dont know th e facts > it i s done in regualr conditions > just show me where from you took that > ciame of yours > i for instance never heard about such condition > ------- > > There is nothing> moving towards the slits other than the C-60 molecule itself. > > ok > you even said and i agreed that the ** net *** C-60 moves only > towards just slit > and even get out --only through one slit > ----------- > > > > > We are in agreement the C-60 molecule enters and exits a single slit. > ok > > > In AD, the 'accompanying entities' associated with the moving C-60 > > connon > i told you explicitly waht are those > associated entities with that C-60 > > IT IS NOT AETHER > it i slong known entities like > eelctrons > for isotopns of Carbon it can be emited neutrons and electrons > and on top ofit > a vast rage of EM waves electromagnetic waves) > had you never heard about it?? > (BTW how long are you in physics ??) > > > molecule is the associated aether displacement wave. > > that is your private imagination > that was never proved scientifically !! > ----------- > > > In your understanding of a double slit experiment with a C-60 > > molecule, what do you define as the 'accompanying entities'? In your > > understanding of a double slit experiment with a C-60 molecule, what > > enters and exits all of the slits in order for there to be > > interference? > > ------------ > i told you > in one slit -just the C-60 > and may be even **some** of the 'associated' > > while at the other slit > ONLY THE ASSOCIATED ENTITIES! > that **you call **an Aether wave > you suplied me with another prove tomy calim > that a single physics entity > cannot interfere withitself > > th e common understanding of > 'interfering with itself '''is > that what moves in one slit > IS EXACTLY the same as what moves in the other slit! > > and for me it is an enormous physics stupidity to think that a > single physical entity > can interfere with itself !! > > it is exactly as saying that > you can dance in two weddings > at the same time (:-)... > > ddint you know it ?? > > and therefor i wrote the above thread !! > but proved its absurd > even by the HUP principle !! not only by simple logic > > ATB > Y.Porat > -------------------- It reads to me you are saying an EM wave propagates through the available slits. I am saying an associated aether displacement wave propagates through the available slits.
From: Y.Porat on 1 Feb 2010 13:33
On Feb 1, 7:08 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Feb 1, 11:53 am, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Feb 1, 5:18 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Feb 1, 2:45 am, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jan 31, 11:00 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Jan 31, 3:44 pm, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jan 31, 10:07 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Jan 31, 2:44 pm, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Jan 31, 9:29 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 31, 12:25 pm, "Y decoherence of the > > > > > > > > > associated aether displacement wave (i.e. the wave is turned into > > > > > > > > > chop) and there is no interference and the direction the C-60 molecule > > > > > > > > > travels is not altered. > > > > > > > > > ---------------- > > > > > > > > common > > > > > > > > will you tel me - and exactly once and for all > > > > > > > > what is that C-60 molecule?? > > > > > > > > > if it is composedof a few Carbon or carbon isotope as we know from > > > > > > > > conventional science > > > > > > > > or is it an invention of yours > > > > > > > > **including Aether !! > > > > > > > > i must know the facts before answering > > > > > > > > please answer quick before i am going to sleep > > > > > > > > > (it seems that i am living at the other side of this globe (:-)) > > > > > > > > > TIA > > > > > > > > Y.Porat > > > > > > > > You should be able to look-up and figure out what a C-60 molecule is > > > > > > > on your own, but I will answer it for you: > > > > > > > >http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/blobchaser/Graphics/AC3D/MetaC60.jpg > > > > > > > ---------------------- > > > > > > ok but still there are some questions about it > > > > > > i understand thatit is a huge molecule of Carbon 12 > > > > > > right? > > > > > > 2 > > > > > > still not clear if it is net C 12 > > > > > > or there is some of them C 13 or C 14 etc?? > > > > > > anyway > > > > > > there is something you dont get; > > > > > > > the real physical entity that is interfering withitself is > > > > > > WHILE TH EENTITY IS PASSING THROUGH > > > > > > BOTH SLITS EQUALLY > > > > > > iow > > > > > > it is exactly the same entity that pased through > > > > > > left sliy and right slit > > > > > > it is NOT > > > > > > different entities in each slit > > > > > > 2 > > > > > > i am talking about a single physical entity > > > > > > not a multi entiry that is sub divided ! > > > > > > and you tell me a completely differnt story > > > > > > you youself say that the C60 is mpassing only through > > > > > > ONE slit > > > > > > and that is excactly my claijm against the alleged entity > > > > > > passing through the *two* slits > > > > > > so you actually confirm my claim !! > > > > > > 3 > > > > > > while you deal with 60 Atoms why wonder that it is acompanied by a > > > > > > quite big 'vail' or sub entites like eelctrons > > > > > > may be even neutrons > > > > > > and MAINLY A WHOLE 'AMY' of EM waives > > > > > > > those company escorting the main C 60 -- waves are known physical > > > > > > entities you a enot discovering anything new > > > > > > but it is not your Aether > > > > > > so > > > > > > all those accompanied entities can pass the other slit as well > > > > > > no big deal or innovation > > > > > > > but it is not our OP subject (issue ) > > > > > > we deal with a single (alleged single) entity > > > > > > that is alleged to pass** evenly** at the two slits > > > > > > (it is not the case you brought ) > > > > > > > and > > > > > > it is not your spooky Aether !! > > > > > > > is it clear enough at last ?? > > > > > > > ATB > > > > > > Y.Porat > > > > > > -------------------- > > > > > > It is not clear at all. You still are unable or unwilling to answer > > > > > how it is the C-60 molecule is able to be detected exiting a single > > > > > slit when detectors are placed at the exits to the slits the instant > > > > > prior to the C-60 molecule exiting the slit(s). > > > > > > The C-60 molecule creates a displacement wave in the aether and it is > > > > > the displacement wave which enters and exits the available slits while > > > > > the C-60 molecule enters and exits a single slit. > > > > > ------------------ > > > > i am unable?? > > > > youare unable!! > > > > i explaind that you are mistaken > > > > if you think that even according current understanding and knowlwdge > > > > > a C 60 molecule is a super composed physical entity it is enourmously > > > > divisible > > > > itis not net protons and neutrons > > > > > it is **acompanied** by a big accompanied > > > > family of ascociated 'sateliting' > > > > electrons neutrns > > > > AND NOTTOMENSION EM WAVES > > > > a whole vast spectrum of EM waves > > > > much more than one length wave length > > > > so that is in fact and proven > > > > your' aciciated wave " > > > > it is not Aether it is known physical enetites > > > > and mymainpoint it > > > > that your example is not RELEVANT to my op post ! > > > > we are dealing here with a > > > > SINGLE PHYSICAL ENTITY > > > > NOT A WHOLE CONGLOMERATION OF PHYSICALENTITY > > > > and i wanted to refute the paradigm > > > > that such single entity can intefere withitself > > > > the current interfere withitself > > > > is that > > > > both slits get the same exactly the same > > > > physical entity passing trough both slits > > > > at the same time > > > > got it > > > > now you example is *rather a good argument for me!! > > > > because as you say > > > > the C 60 was passing only through onje slit > > > > and its 'company entities passing through the other slit' > > > > SO YOU ACTUALLY HAVE NO ARGUMENT WITH ME > > > > you actually confirm me !! > > > > so thanks for that.. > > > > > ATB > > > > Y.Porat > > > > -------------------------- > > > > A double slit experiment is performed in a vacuum. > > > ------------ > > -wrong as a fact !! > > you dont know th e facts > > it i s done in regualr conditions > > just show me where from you took that > > ciame of yours > > i for instance never heard about such condition > > ------- > > > There is nothing> moving towards the slits other than the C-60 molecule itself. > > > ok > > you even said and i agreed that the ** net *** C-60 moves only > > towards just slit > > and even get out --only through one slit > > ----------- > > > > We are in agreement the C-60 molecule enters and exits a single slit. > > ok > > > > In AD, the 'accompanying entities' associated with the moving C-60 > > > connon > > i told you explicitly waht are those > > associated entities with that C-60 > > > IT IS NOT AETHER > > it i slong known entities like > > eelctrons > > for isotopns of Carbon it can be emited neutrons and electrons > > and on top ofit > > a vast rage of EM waves electromagnetic waves) > > had you never heard about it?? > > (BTW how long are you in physics ??) > > > > molecule is the associated aether displacement wave. > > > that is your private imagination > > that was never proved scientifically !! > > ----------- > > > > In your understanding of a double slit experiment with a C-60 > > > molecule, what do you define as the 'accompanying entities'? In your > > > understanding of a double slit experiment with a C-60 molecule, what > > > enters and exits all of the slits in order for there to be > > > interference? > > > ------------ > > i told you > > in one slit -just the C-60 > > and may be even **some** of the 'associated' > > > while at the other slit > > ONLY THE ASSOCIATED ENTITIES! > > that **you call **an Aether wave > > you suplied me with another prove tomy calim > > that a single physics entity > > cannot interfere withitself > > > th e common understanding of > > 'interfering with itself '''is > > that what moves in one slit > > IS EXACTLY the same as what moves in the other slit! > > > and for me it is an enormous physics stupidity to think that a > > single physical entity > > can interfere with itself !! > > > it is exactly as saying that > > you can dance in two weddings > > at the same time (:-)... > > > ddint you know it ?? > > > and therefor i wrote the above thread !! > > but proved its absurd > > even by the HUP principle !! not only by simple logic > > > ATB > > Y.Porat > > -------------------- > > It reads to me you are saying an EM wave propagates through the > available slits. > > I am saying an associated aether displacement wave propagates through > the available slits. --------------------- Bye Y.P ------------------ |