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From: Y.Porat on 31 Jan 2010 06:41 On Jan 31, 1:32 pm, artful <artful...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > On Jan 31, 5:36 pm, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jan 30, 10:27 pm, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Jan 30, 6:00 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jan 30, 10:40 am, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Jan 30, 2:47 pm, mpc755 < > > > > > > > > -------------------- > > > > > > > did anyone ever detected Aether?? > > > > > > > > on the other hand > > > > > > > i heard rumors that > > > > > > > elcrons were detected and their properties were defined > > > > > > > and so about photons > > > > > > > > we can do physics only on detected entities > > > > > > > the rest is guesses > > > > > > > 2 > > > > > > > i think that current physics > > > > > > > can do well without Aether > > > > > > > 3 > > > > > > > It doesn't do well without aether. Just look at this thread. A photon > > > > > > is either a directed/pointed wave in the aether or it is a moving > > > > > > 'particle' with an associated aether wave. > > > > > > > With this understanding of nature, you have the 'particle' traveling a > > > > > > single path and the associated wave propagating available paths.. The > > > > > > 'particle' enters and exits a single slit and the associated wave > > > > > > propagates through the available slits. The wave exits the slits and > > > > > > creates interference and the direction the 'particle' travels is > > > > > > altered. Detecting the 'particle' causes decoherence of the associated > > > > > > wave and there is no interference. > > > > > > > That is why I have on several occasions asked you what you think is > > > > > > occurring in a double slit experiment with a C-60 molecule. The C-60 > > > > > > molecule has an associated aether displacement wave. The analogy is > > > > > > the bow wave a boat makes. The C-60 molecule enters and exits a single > > > > > > slit and the displacement wave it creates in the aether enters and > > > > > > exits multiple slits. When the aether wave exits the slits it creates > > > > > > interference which alters the direction the C-60 molecule travels. > > > > > > Detecting the C-60 molecule causes decoherence of the associated > > > > > > aether wave and there is no interference. > > > > > > > With aether, de Broglie's statement of a moving particle has an > > > > > > associated wave becomes a moving 'particle' has an associated aether > > > > > > wave and if you know the particle consists of matter, the moving > > > > > > particle has an associated aether displacement wave. > > > > > > > With this understanding of nature, this thread is unnecessary. > > > > > > > > if our Universe is expanding > > > > > > > what happens to the **density* of Aether ??!! > > > > > > > > Y.Porat > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > you ddint answer my questions > > > > > > 1 > > > > > did anyone ever detected Aether?? > > > > > Yes. The aether is detected in every double slit experiment. The > > > > observed behaviors in a double slit experiment are due to the > > > > 'particle' traveling a single path and the associated aether wave > > > > propagating available paths. > > > > > The search for gravity waves is the search for aether displacement > > > > waves. > > > > > The pressure associated with aether displaced by massive objects is > > > > gravity, so the fact that you are presently effected by gravity > > > > evidence of aether. > > > > > The fact that light reaches the Earth is evidence of aether. > > > > > 'Ether and the Theory of Relativity by Albert Einstein'http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Extras/Einstein_ether.html > > > > > "According to the general theory of relativity space without ether is > > > > unthinkable; for in such space there not only would be no propagation > > > > of light, but also no possibility of existence for standards of space > > > > and time (measuring-rods and clocks), nor therefore any space-time > > > > intervals in the physical sense." > > > > > > 2 > > > > > if our Universe is expanding ... > > > > > what happens to the **density** of you Aether ?? > > > > > The universe is not expanding. The matter which we see in our > > > > telescopes is moving away from us, but the universe as a whole is not > > > > expanding. > > > > > The universe is, or the local universe is in, a jet stream. > > > > > Now it is your turn. What is physically occurring in nature in a > > > > double slit experiment with a C-60 molecule? > > > > ---------------------- > > > --1 > > > does a single C-60 is inyefering with itself ?? > > > i ddint check it > > > please show me a link that proves that > > > C 60 is interfering with itself > > > even if yest > > > it is not an atom it is a MOLECULE . > > > and surely subdivided !! > > > > 2 > > > if yess > > > the C 60 has as you say 60 Atoms!! > > > not a single one > > > how do you know that it was passing and remained with 60 Atoms > > > may be it got out with 30 of them > > > may be with 59 ? > > > may be it was two molecules > > > 3 > > > how do you knoe it was a single molecule of C60 > > > and not two of them ?? two C 60 ?? > > > > ATB > > > Y.Porat > > > --------------------------- > > > Oh Ghosh!! > > i thought at the beginning that C-60 > > is your Carbon molecule with 60 Atoms of Carbon!! > > (:-) > > It is > > > i have a better molecule creature --- > > it is a Carbon molecule that has 120 Atoms of Carbon > > it is much more powerful and impressive !! > > BTW sometimes it can be with 121 Atoms !! (:-) > > > now i read about your C-60 molecule > > and i stated to understand your 'logic' > > > you invent a molecule or an Aether creature > > that no one ever detected > > C60 exists and has most certainly been detected > > > and you even ddint specify all its properties > > like say having mass or charge > > and if having mass what is that mass etc > > and > > after inventing your C-60 aether creature > > cliame it exists every were ?? > > C60 does exist .. not everywhere though, of course. No molecule > exists everywhere > > > i am afraid (to put it in the mildest possible way ) > > you have no idea about what you are talking > > (and i ddint mention yet may be the need for > > hospitalization ) > > you cant invent your private particle > > that no one ever detected > > and then > > attribute to it > > every day a new ad hock property > > fitted to the daily news that you hear each day > > He didn't. I suggest you read up on C60 molecules > > His aether idea though is very ad-hoc, to the point of being self- > contradictory. ----------------- i ddin tundersatnd your last phrase 2 generally why C60 ?and Aether why because you said so ??? it is not enough Y.P ---------------------------
From: mpc755 on 31 Jan 2010 11:00 On Jan 30, 3:27 pm, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Jan 30, 6:00 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jan 30, 10:40 am, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Jan 30, 2:47 pm, mpc755 < > > > > > > -------------------- > > > > > did anyone ever detected Aether?? > > > > > > on the other hand > > > > > i heard rumors that > > > > > elcrons were detected and their properties were defined > > > > > and so about photons > > > > > > we can do physics only on detected entities > > > > > the rest is guesses > > > > > 2 > > > > > i think that current physics > > > > > can do well without Aether > > > > > 3 > > > > > It doesn't do well without aether. Just look at this thread. A photon > > > > is either a directed/pointed wave in the aether or it is a moving > > > > 'particle' with an associated aether wave. > > > > > With this understanding of nature, you have the 'particle' traveling a > > > > single path and the associated wave propagating available paths. The > > > > 'particle' enters and exits a single slit and the associated wave > > > > propagates through the available slits. The wave exits the slits and > > > > creates interference and the direction the 'particle' travels is > > > > altered. Detecting the 'particle' causes decoherence of the associated > > > > wave and there is no interference. > > > > > That is why I have on several occasions asked you what you think is > > > > occurring in a double slit experiment with a C-60 molecule. The C-60 > > > > molecule has an associated aether displacement wave. The analogy is > > > > the bow wave a boat makes. The C-60 molecule enters and exits a single > > > > slit and the displacement wave it creates in the aether enters and > > > > exits multiple slits. When the aether wave exits the slits it creates > > > > interference which alters the direction the C-60 molecule travels. > > > > Detecting the C-60 molecule causes decoherence of the associated > > > > aether wave and there is no interference. > > > > > With aether, de Broglie's statement of a moving particle has an > > > > associated wave becomes a moving 'particle' has an associated aether > > > > wave and if you know the particle consists of matter, the moving > > > > particle has an associated aether displacement wave. > > > > > With this understanding of nature, this thread is unnecessary. > > > > > > if our Universe is expanding > > > > > what happens to the **density* of Aether ??!! > > > > > > Y.Porat > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > you ddint answer my questions > > > > 1 > > > did anyone ever detected Aether?? > > > Yes. The aether is detected in every double slit experiment. The > > observed behaviors in a double slit experiment are due to the > > 'particle' traveling a single path and the associated aether wave > > propagating available paths. > > > The search for gravity waves is the search for aether displacement > > waves. > > > The pressure associated with aether displaced by massive objects is > > gravity, so the fact that you are presently effected by gravity > > evidence of aether. > > > The fact that light reaches the Earth is evidence of aether. > > > 'Ether and the Theory of Relativity by Albert Einstein'http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Extras/Einstein_ether.html > > > "According to the general theory of relativity space without ether is > > unthinkable; for in such space there not only would be no propagation > > of light, but also no possibility of existence for standards of space > > and time (measuring-rods and clocks), nor therefore any space-time > > intervals in the physical sense." > > > > 2 > > > if our Universe is expanding ... > > > what happens to the **density** of you Aether ?? > > > The universe is not expanding. The matter which we see in our > > telescopes is moving away from us, but the universe as a whole is not > > expanding. > > > The universe is, or the local universe is in, a jet stream. > > > Now it is your turn. What is physically occurring in nature in a > > double slit experiment with a C-60 molecule? > > ---------------------- > --1 > does a single C-60 is inyefering with itself ?? > i ddint check it > please show me a link that proves that > C 60 is interfering with itself > even if yest > it is not an atom it is a MOLECULE . > and surely subdivided !! > 'Wave-particle duality seen in carbon-60 molecules' http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/2952 If the molecule is subdivided and enters and exits multiple slits then how is it if detectors are placed at the exits to the slits the instant before the C-60 molecule exits the slits, the C-60 molecule is always detected exiting a single slit? How does the C-60 molecule go from traveling through all of the available slits to exiting a single slit if detectors are placed at the exits to the slits the instant prior to the C-60 molecule exiting all of the available slits? > 2 > if yess > the C 60 has as you say 60 Atoms!! > not a single one > how do you know that it was passing and remained with 60 Atoms > may be it got out with 30 of them > may be with 59 ? > may be it was two molecules In any double slit experiment, the particle is ALWAYS detected exiting a single slit no matter when the detectors are placed at the exits. Explain how this is possible if there are six slits and 10 atoms which make up the C-60 molecule are traveling through each slit? How is it that all 60 atoms are always detected exiting a single slit? How is it the C-60 molecule is always detected as a self-contained entity exiting a single slit no matter when the detectors are placed at the exits? I'll tell you why, because the C-60 molecule always enters and exits a single slit and it is the displacement wave the C-60 molecule creates in the aether which propagates through all of the slits. > 3 > how do you knoe it was a single molecule of C60 > and not two of them ?? two C 60 ?? > If you think an experiment cannot be performed where one C-60 molecule at a time is known to exist in the experiment you are delusional.
From: mpc755 on 31 Jan 2010 11:03 On Jan 31, 6:32 am, artful <artful...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > On Jan 31, 5:36 pm, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jan 30, 10:27 pm, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Jan 30, 6:00 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jan 30, 10:40 am, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Jan 30, 2:47 pm, mpc755 < > > > > > > > > -------------------- > > > > > > > did anyone ever detected Aether?? > > > > > > > > on the other hand > > > > > > > i heard rumors that > > > > > > > elcrons were detected and their properties were defined > > > > > > > and so about photons > > > > > > > > we can do physics only on detected entities > > > > > > > the rest is guesses > > > > > > > 2 > > > > > > > i think that current physics > > > > > > > can do well without Aether > > > > > > > 3 > > > > > > > It doesn't do well without aether. Just look at this thread. A photon > > > > > > is either a directed/pointed wave in the aether or it is a moving > > > > > > 'particle' with an associated aether wave. > > > > > > > With this understanding of nature, you have the 'particle' traveling a > > > > > > single path and the associated wave propagating available paths.. The > > > > > > 'particle' enters and exits a single slit and the associated wave > > > > > > propagates through the available slits. The wave exits the slits and > > > > > > creates interference and the direction the 'particle' travels is > > > > > > altered. Detecting the 'particle' causes decoherence of the associated > > > > > > wave and there is no interference. > > > > > > > That is why I have on several occasions asked you what you think is > > > > > > occurring in a double slit experiment with a C-60 molecule. The C-60 > > > > > > molecule has an associated aether displacement wave. The analogy is > > > > > > the bow wave a boat makes. The C-60 molecule enters and exits a single > > > > > > slit and the displacement wave it creates in the aether enters and > > > > > > exits multiple slits. When the aether wave exits the slits it creates > > > > > > interference which alters the direction the C-60 molecule travels. > > > > > > Detecting the C-60 molecule causes decoherence of the associated > > > > > > aether wave and there is no interference. > > > > > > > With aether, de Broglie's statement of a moving particle has an > > > > > > associated wave becomes a moving 'particle' has an associated aether > > > > > > wave and if you know the particle consists of matter, the moving > > > > > > particle has an associated aether displacement wave. > > > > > > > With this understanding of nature, this thread is unnecessary. > > > > > > > > if our Universe is expanding > > > > > > > what happens to the **density* of Aether ??!! > > > > > > > > Y.Porat > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > you ddint answer my questions > > > > > > 1 > > > > > did anyone ever detected Aether?? > > > > > Yes. The aether is detected in every double slit experiment. The > > > > observed behaviors in a double slit experiment are due to the > > > > 'particle' traveling a single path and the associated aether wave > > > > propagating available paths. > > > > > The search for gravity waves is the search for aether displacement > > > > waves. > > > > > The pressure associated with aether displaced by massive objects is > > > > gravity, so the fact that you are presently effected by gravity > > > > evidence of aether. > > > > > The fact that light reaches the Earth is evidence of aether. > > > > > 'Ether and the Theory of Relativity by Albert Einstein'http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Extras/Einstein_ether.html > > > > > "According to the general theory of relativity space without ether is > > > > unthinkable; for in such space there not only would be no propagation > > > > of light, but also no possibility of existence for standards of space > > > > and time (measuring-rods and clocks), nor therefore any space-time > > > > intervals in the physical sense." > > > > > > 2 > > > > > if our Universe is expanding ... > > > > > what happens to the **density** of you Aether ?? > > > > > The universe is not expanding. The matter which we see in our > > > > telescopes is moving away from us, but the universe as a whole is not > > > > expanding. > > > > > The universe is, or the local universe is in, a jet stream. > > > > > Now it is your turn. What is physically occurring in nature in a > > > > double slit experiment with a C-60 molecule? > > > > ---------------------- > > > --1 > > > does a single C-60 is inyefering with itself ?? > > > i ddint check it > > > please show me a link that proves that > > > C 60 is interfering with itself > > > even if yest > > > it is not an atom it is a MOLECULE . > > > and surely subdivided !! > > > > 2 > > > if yess > > > the C 60 has as you say 60 Atoms!! > > > not a single one > > > how do you know that it was passing and remained with 60 Atoms > > > may be it got out with 30 of them > > > may be with 59 ? > > > may be it was two molecules > > > 3 > > > how do you knoe it was a single molecule of C60 > > > and not two of them ?? two C 60 ?? > > > > ATB > > > Y.Porat > > > --------------------------- > > > Oh Ghosh!! > > i thought at the beginning that C-60 > > is your Carbon molecule with 60 Atoms of Carbon!! > > (:-) > > It is > > > i have a better molecule creature --- > > it is a Carbon molecule that has 120 Atoms of Carbon > > it is much more powerful and impressive !! > > BTW sometimes it can be with 121 Atoms !! (:-) > > > now i read about your C-60 molecule > > and i stated to understand your 'logic' > > > you invent a molecule or an Aether creature > > that no one ever detected > > C60 exists and has most certainly been detected > > > and you even ddint specify all its properties > > like say having mass or charge > > and if having mass what is that mass etc > > and > > after inventing your C-60 aether creature > > cliame it exists every were ?? > > C60 does exist .. not everywhere though, of course. No molecule > exists everywhere > > > i am afraid (to put it in the mildest possible way ) > > you have no idea about what you are talking > > (and i ddint mention yet may be the need for > > hospitalization ) > > you cant invent your private particle > > that no one ever detected > > and then > > attribute to it > > every day a new ad hock property > > fitted to the daily news that you hear each day > > He didn't. I suggest you read up on C60 molecules > > His aether idea though is very ad-hoc, to the point of being self- > contradictory. Self-contradictory how?
From: Y.Porat on 31 Jan 2010 12:25 On Jan 31, 6:00 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Jan 30, 3:27 pm, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Jan 30, 6:00 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Jan 30, 10:40 am, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jan 30, 2:47 pm, mpc755 < > > > > > > > -------------------- > > > > > > did anyone ever detected Aether?? > > > > > > > on the other hand > > > > > > i heard rumors that > > > > > > elcrons were detected and their properties were defined > > > > > > and so about photons > > > > > > > we can do physics only on detected entities > > > > > > the rest is guesses > > > > > > 2 > > > > > > i think that current physics > > > > > > can do well without Aether > > > > > > 3 > > > > > > It doesn't do well without aether. Just look at this thread. A photon > > > > > is either a directed/pointed wave in the aether or it is a moving > > > > > 'particle' with an associated aether wave. > > > > > > With this understanding of nature, you have the 'particle' traveling a > > > > > single path and the associated wave propagating available paths. The > > > > > 'particle' enters and exits a single slit and the associated wave > > > > > propagates through the available slits. The wave exits the slits and > > > > > creates interference and the direction the 'particle' travels is > > > > > altered. Detecting the 'particle' causes decoherence of the associated > > > > > wave and there is no interference. > > > > > > That is why I have on several occasions asked you what you think is > > > > > occurring in a double slit experiment with a C-60 molecule. The C-60 > > > > > molecule has an associated aether displacement wave. The analogy is > > > > > the bow wave a boat makes. The C-60 molecule enters and exits a single > > > > > slit and the displacement wave it creates in the aether enters and > > > > > exits multiple slits. When the aether wave exits the slits it creates > > > > > interference which alters the direction the C-60 molecule travels.. > > > > > Detecting the C-60 molecule causes decoherence of the associated > > > > > aether wave and there is no interference. > > > > > > With aether, de Broglie's statement of a moving particle has an > > > > > associated wave becomes a moving 'particle' has an associated aether > > > > > wave and if you know the particle consists of matter, the moving > > > > > particle has an associated aether displacement wave. > > > > > > With this understanding of nature, this thread is unnecessary. > > > > > > > if our Universe is expanding > > > > > > what happens to the **density* of Aether ??!! > > > > > > > Y.Porat > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > you ddint answer my questions > > > > > 1 > > > > did anyone ever detected Aether?? > > > > Yes. The aether is detected in every double slit experiment. The > > > observed behaviors in a double slit experiment are due to the > > > 'particle' traveling a single path and the associated aether wave > > > propagating available paths. > > > > The search for gravity waves is the search for aether displacement > > > waves. > > > > The pressure associated with aether displaced by massive objects is > > > gravity, so the fact that you are presently effected by gravity > > > evidence of aether. > > > > The fact that light reaches the Earth is evidence of aether. > > > > 'Ether and the Theory of Relativity by Albert Einstein'http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Extras/Einstein_ether.html > > > > "According to the general theory of relativity space without ether is > > > unthinkable; for in such space there not only would be no propagation > > > of light, but also no possibility of existence for standards of space > > > and time (measuring-rods and clocks), nor therefore any space-time > > > intervals in the physical sense." > > > > > 2 > > > > if our Universe is expanding ... > > > > what happens to the **density** of you Aether ?? > > > > The universe is not expanding. The matter which we see in our > > > telescopes is moving away from us, but the universe as a whole is not > > > expanding. > > > > The universe is, or the local universe is in, a jet stream. > > > > Now it is your turn. What is physically occurring in nature in a > > > double slit experiment with a C-60 molecule? > > > ---------------------- > > --1 > > does a single C-60 is inyefering with itself ?? > > i ddint check it > > please show me a link that proves that > > C 60 is interfering with itself > > even if yest > > it is not an atom it is a MOLECULE . > > and surely subdivided !! > > 'Wave-particle duality seen in carbon-60 molecules'http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/2952 > > If the molecule is subdivided and enters and exits multiple slits then > how is it if detectors are placed at the exits to the slits the > instant before the C-60 molecule exits the slits, the C-60 molecule is > always detected exiting a single slit? > > How does the C-60 molecule go from traveling through all of the > available slits to exiting a single slit if detectors are placed at > the exits to the slits the instant prior to the C-60 molecule exiting > all of the available slits? > > > 2 > > if yess > > the C 60 has as you say 60 Atoms!! > > not a single one > > how do you know that it was passing and remained with 60 Atoms > > may be it got out with 30 of them > > may be with 59 ? > > may be it was two molecules > > In any double slit experiment, the particle is ALWAYS detected exiting > a single slit no matter when the detectors are placed at the exits. > > Explain how this is possible if there are six slits and 10 atoms which > make up the C-60 molecule are traveling through each slit? > > How is it that all 60 atoms are always detected exiting a single slit? > > How is it the C-60 molecule is always detected as a self-contained > entity exiting a single slit no matter when the detectors are placed > at the exits? > > I'll tell you why, because the C-60 molecule always enters and exits a > single slit and it is the displacement wave the C-60 molecule creates > in the aether which propagates through all of the slits. > > > 3 > > how do you knoe it was a single molecule of C60 > > and not two of them ?? two C 60 ?? > > If you think an experiment cannot be performed where one C-60 molecule > at a time is known to exist in the experiment you are delusional. ------------------- if you speak about the carbon molecule that is building our body that is another opera but a big but: please dont forgetthat the Carbon that we know from our every daylife HAS A VAST RANGE OF WAVE SPECTRUM it is *no*t a single photon or not even a single electron .. and if it radioactive as well-- as the isotopes of C 12 it is again not a single physical entity it that case it is actually spreading and spraying around it electrons neutrons etc and even em waves so again it is ***not** 'a single physical entity'' that i was referring in my OP post !!! it is a completely different Opera ! and the main point for you : **it has nothing to do with Aether** we can live nicely in that case without Aether !! ATB Y.Porat ----------------------------
From: mpc755 on 31 Jan 2010 14:29
On Jan 31, 12:25 pm, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Jan 31, 6:00 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jan 30, 3:27 pm, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Jan 30, 6:00 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jan 30, 10:40 am, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Jan 30, 2:47 pm, mpc755 < > > > > > > > > -------------------- > > > > > > > did anyone ever detected Aether?? > > > > > > > > on the other hand > > > > > > > i heard rumors that > > > > > > > elcrons were detected and their properties were defined > > > > > > > and so about photons > > > > > > > > we can do physics only on detected entities > > > > > > > the rest is guesses > > > > > > > 2 > > > > > > > i think that current physics > > > > > > > can do well without Aether > > > > > > > 3 > > > > > > > It doesn't do well without aether. Just look at this thread. A photon > > > > > > is either a directed/pointed wave in the aether or it is a moving > > > > > > 'particle' with an associated aether wave. > > > > > > > With this understanding of nature, you have the 'particle' traveling a > > > > > > single path and the associated wave propagating available paths.. The > > > > > > 'particle' enters and exits a single slit and the associated wave > > > > > > propagates through the available slits. The wave exits the slits and > > > > > > creates interference and the direction the 'particle' travels is > > > > > > altered. Detecting the 'particle' causes decoherence of the associated > > > > > > wave and there is no interference. > > > > > > > That is why I have on several occasions asked you what you think is > > > > > > occurring in a double slit experiment with a C-60 molecule. The C-60 > > > > > > molecule has an associated aether displacement wave. The analogy is > > > > > > the bow wave a boat makes. The C-60 molecule enters and exits a single > > > > > > slit and the displacement wave it creates in the aether enters and > > > > > > exits multiple slits. When the aether wave exits the slits it creates > > > > > > interference which alters the direction the C-60 molecule travels. > > > > > > Detecting the C-60 molecule causes decoherence of the associated > > > > > > aether wave and there is no interference. > > > > > > > With aether, de Broglie's statement of a moving particle has an > > > > > > associated wave becomes a moving 'particle' has an associated aether > > > > > > wave and if you know the particle consists of matter, the moving > > > > > > particle has an associated aether displacement wave. > > > > > > > With this understanding of nature, this thread is unnecessary. > > > > > > > > if our Universe is expanding > > > > > > > what happens to the **density* of Aether ??!! > > > > > > > > Y.Porat > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > you ddint answer my questions > > > > > > 1 > > > > > did anyone ever detected Aether?? > > > > > Yes. The aether is detected in every double slit experiment. The > > > > observed behaviors in a double slit experiment are due to the > > > > 'particle' traveling a single path and the associated aether wave > > > > propagating available paths. > > > > > The search for gravity waves is the search for aether displacement > > > > waves. > > > > > The pressure associated with aether displaced by massive objects is > > > > gravity, so the fact that you are presently effected by gravity > > > > evidence of aether. > > > > > The fact that light reaches the Earth is evidence of aether. > > > > > 'Ether and the Theory of Relativity by Albert Einstein'http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Extras/Einstein_ether.html > > > > > "According to the general theory of relativity space without ether is > > > > unthinkable; for in such space there not only would be no propagation > > > > of light, but also no possibility of existence for standards of space > > > > and time (measuring-rods and clocks), nor therefore any space-time > > > > intervals in the physical sense." > > > > > > 2 > > > > > if our Universe is expanding ... > > > > > what happens to the **density** of you Aether ?? > > > > > The universe is not expanding. The matter which we see in our > > > > telescopes is moving away from us, but the universe as a whole is not > > > > expanding. > > > > > The universe is, or the local universe is in, a jet stream. > > > > > Now it is your turn. What is physically occurring in nature in a > > > > double slit experiment with a C-60 molecule? > > > > ---------------------- > > > --1 > > > does a single C-60 is inyefering with itself ?? > > > i ddint check it > > > please show me a link that proves that > > > C 60 is interfering with itself > > > even if yest > > > it is not an atom it is a MOLECULE . > > > and surely subdivided !! > > > 'Wave-particle duality seen in carbon-60 molecules'http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/2952 > > > If the molecule is subdivided and enters and exits multiple slits then > > how is it if detectors are placed at the exits to the slits the > > instant before the C-60 molecule exits the slits, the C-60 molecule is > > always detected exiting a single slit? > > > How does the C-60 molecule go from traveling through all of the > > available slits to exiting a single slit if detectors are placed at > > the exits to the slits the instant prior to the C-60 molecule exiting > > all of the available slits? > > > > 2 > > > if yess > > > the C 60 has as you say 60 Atoms!! > > > not a single one > > > how do you know that it was passing and remained with 60 Atoms > > > may be it got out with 30 of them > > > may be with 59 ? > > > may be it was two molecules > > > In any double slit experiment, the particle is ALWAYS detected exiting > > a single slit no matter when the detectors are placed at the exits. > > > Explain how this is possible if there are six slits and 10 atoms which > > make up the C-60 molecule are traveling through each slit? > > > How is it that all 60 atoms are always detected exiting a single slit? > > > How is it the C-60 molecule is always detected as a self-contained > > entity exiting a single slit no matter when the detectors are placed > > at the exits? > > > I'll tell you why, because the C-60 molecule always enters and exits a > > single slit and it is the displacement wave the C-60 molecule creates > > in the aether which propagates through all of the slits. > > > > 3 > > > how do you knoe it was a single molecule of C60 > > > and not two of them ?? two C 60 ?? > > > If you think an experiment cannot be performed where one C-60 molecule > > at a time is known to exist in the experiment you are delusional. > > ------------------- > if you speak about the carbon molecule > that is building our body > that is another opera > but a big but: > please dont forgetthat the Carbon that we know > from our every daylife > > HAS A VAST RANGE OF WAVE SPECTRUM > > it is *no*t a single photon or not even a single electron .. > > and if it radioactive as well-- as the isotopes of C 12 > it is again not a single physical entity > > it that case it is actually spreading and spraying around it > electrons neutrons etc and even em waves > > so again it is ***not** 'a single physical entity'' > that i was referring in my OP post !!! > it is a completely different Opera ! > > and the main point for you : > **it has nothing to do with Aether** > we can live nicely in that case > without Aether !! > > ATB > Y.Porat > ---------------------------- Why can't you answer the question I am proposing? If the C-60 molecule, 60 interconnected atoms, is not a single physical entity, which I am assuming you mean it enters all of the available slits, how is the C-60 molecule ALWAYS detected exiting a single slit if detectors are placed at the exits the instant prior to the C-60 molecule exiting the slits? How does the C-60 molecule go from propagating through all of the slits to being detected as a single, self-contained, C-60 molecule if detectors are placed at the exits the instant prior to the C-60 molecule exiting the slits? Since you are unable or unwilling to answer this question, I will answer it for you. The C-60 molecule creates a displacement wave in the aether and the C-60 molecule enters and exits a single slit while the displacement wave the C-60 molecule creates in the aether enters and exits the available slits. When the C-60 molecule exits the slits it creates interference which alters the direction the C-60 molecule travels. Detecting the C-60 molecule causes decoherence of the associated aether displacement wave (i.e. the wave is turned into chop) and there is no interference and the direction the C-60 molecule travels is not altered. |