From: James Jolley on
On 2010-03-28 13:16:57 +0100, peter(a)cara.demon.co.uk (Peter Ceresole) said:

> T i m <news(a)spaced.me.uk> wrote:
>
>> Once it stops being the norm to
>> give up your seat for a lady even they seem reluctant to accept one
>> when you offer?
>
> Yes. And they always accept graciously. But then the 63 runs from
> Peckham to King's Cross, and in Peckham people are mostly black, still
> lovely, believe in the human touch. Except for the drug dealers of
> course.

Very Alan Bennett. Very good also, couldn't help but laugh. black, but
lovely indeed.
>> Out of interest, do you then 'rate' someone based on if they

From: T i m on
On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 12:23:21 +0100, James Jolley <jrjolley(a)me.com>
wrote:

>On 2010-03-28 13:16:57 +0100, peter(a)cara.demon.co.uk (Peter Ceresole) said:
>
>> T i m <news(a)spaced.me.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> Once it stops being the norm to
>>> give up your seat for a lady even they seem reluctant to accept one
>>> when you offer?
>>
>> Yes. And they always accept graciously. But then the 63 runs from
>> Peckham to King's Cross, and in Peckham people are mostly black, still
>> lovely, believe in the human touch. Except for the drug dealers of
>> course.
>
>Very Alan Bennett. Very good also, couldn't help but laugh. black, but
>lovely indeed.

Bless him and in the same vein, 'he's old but doesn't smell'. <vbg>

Cheers, T i m


From: David Kennedy on
Peter Ceresole wrote:
>
> But hell, it's only money. And only music. I prefer to stick to the
> important stuff; our grandchildren are coming to Sunday lunch today.

Have a good one.

[I'm sure you will]

--
David Kennedy

http://www.anindianinexile.com
From: Dr Geoff Hone on
On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 13:11:49 +0100, Fred Bambrough <fred@[127.0.0.1]>
wrote:

>What does flashing headlights mean now? Thanking me by blinding me? Giving
>way? "How dare you!"? "I'm here!"?

I once shared an office with an Italian guy, who enlightened me:
In UK, flashing headlights means "Thank You" or "You go first"
In Italy, flashing headlights means "Get out of my way, I'm coming
through"!
Different strokes for different folks?
Geoff
From: T i m on
On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 13:11:49 +0100, Fred Bambrough <fred@[127.0.0.1]>
wrote:

>In message <1fcuq5l7rd73b1p69vmb4u5mqglc19kc5g(a)4ax.com>
> T i m <news(a)spaced.me.uk> wrote:
>
>> Good. Out of interest, do you then 'rate' someone based on if they
>> actually bother to thank you for your action? Even if it's a flash of
>> 'thanking' eye contact or a quick nod or smile? Same with letting cars
>> though (when the obstruction is on their side), p's me off when they
>> don't. It's not so much I want thanking for my action (although nice I
>> don't do it for the thanks) but the acknowledgement *of* the action?
>
>I hate it when someone gives way to me out of 'politeness' rather than
>follow the rules.

I don't hate it (you can't 'hate' someone trying to be nice can you?)
but it can be a nuisance, depending on what sort of schedule you are
on.

> It's predictability that's required when driving and that
>means true politeness is following the rules rather than massaging one's
>ego.

Again, generally true, however there are those moments when it's much
easier for someone who may technically have right of way to give way
to allow better progress for many around them. Worse, following the
rules can case gridlock.
>
>What does flashing headlights mean now? Thanking me by blinding me?

If I've just had a face full of HID headlamp because some arsehole has
parked on the wrong side of the road and left them on, yes.

> Giving
>way?

Sometimes.

>"How dare you!"?

Sometimes.

> "I'm here!"?

Sometimes.
>
>Maybe what you're demonstrating isn't actually politeness. Especially if you
>get peed off. Who are you doing it for?

Everyone.

Ok, where I live there is a stretch of road about 200 yards long that
has effectively been turned into a tidal flow system because of the
cars all parking down one side. It's sometimes not easy to see if
there is another vehicle heading in the opposite direction that may be
on the clear side of the road, so, if we followed the rules there
would be some very big issues along there [1]. Because most people
using said stretch 'know the rules' (as they apply to that bit of
road) we all know what to do to avoid gridlock and conflict. This
often includes beckoning cars (using your headlights and road
positioning) through the section, even though you have right of way. I
would consider it common courtesy for a driver given such clear
passage to thank you for your consideration (even though it benefits
all) with a nod, wave of hand or quick flash on the headlights (and
they mostly do).

So like many things in life you have the black and white rules and you
have what people have worked out for themselves to be a better
solution (and that solution would include not to assume *anything*).
>
>Given the nature of this group/usenet, I better point out that I don't mean
>my comments to be aggressive. Just putting out thoughts.

Of course. ;-)

Cheers, T i m

[1] I've seen clueless drivers backing into each other, backing into
parked cars, switching off their engines and just sitting there or
driving along the pavement.

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