Canon CLI-8/PGI-5 resetter question
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From: Taliesyn on 21 Dec 2008 14:50 measekite <inkystinky(a)oem.com> wrote in news:Ewv3l.15063$ZP4.7498 @nlpi067.nbdc.sbc.com: > On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 03:42:51 +0000, Taliesyn wrote: > >> >> Canon has literally forced us to buy a chip resetter as both of our >> iP4500 printers (bought months apart) stopped printing and indicated >> there was a "problem" with the original Canon cyan cartridges, that they >> needed replacing. That's all very well and dandy had they been empty or >> near empty. But they were 50% full (sponge free section). Nice going, >> Canon! Way to engineer built-in stupidity with these totally >> unnecessary chips that don't serve any useful purpose other than >> malfunction. > > > > > I do not believe what you You may have had a problem but it is not par > for the course. How is that not "par for the course"??? Two brand new printers fail with first use of original Canon chipped cartridges! That's a 100% failure rate for the chip system. > Call Canon. I am sure the carts have some sort of warranty. How does a warranty help me when I'm in the middle of an important print job?? On other hand, a chip resetter offers immediate help. I reset the chip and the half full cartridge was working again. And the important print job got finished, not ruined. -Taliesyn
From: Arthur Entlich on 22 Dec 2008 01:24 Indeed, I feel similarly with any chipped cartridge... Of course, that would defeat the whole reason they put the chip there to begin with (in spite of what they may claim). With Epsons, which I have a lot more experience with, I have seen many chip and chip firmware related problems, as well as hardware related problems related to the chips. I find it ironic that purchasers end up paying extra for the printer, and the ink cartridges, and have additional issues with their printers so that they can be forced to buy the manufacturer's ink. "What a 'country'!" ;-) Art If you are interested in issues surrounding e-waste, I invite you to enter the discussion at my blog: http://e-trashtalk.spaces.live.com/ Taliesyn wrote: > measekite <inkystinky(a)oem.com> wrote in > news:tbz2l.8380$W06.4055(a)flpi148.ffdc.sbc.com: > >> On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:08:11 -0500, ECLiPSE 2002 wrote: >> >>> I've seen your posts on the comp.periphs.printers and would like to >>> pick your brains. I have the Canon Pixma iP3500 and belately realized >>> that the cartridges were affixed with chips that signal ink >>> depletion. To make a long story short, I purchased some replacement >>> cartridges from G&G, before learning that resetters were developed to >>> allow continuation of the ink supply signaling. >>> >>> After reading your post I purchased the resetter from InkFilling and >>> received it yesterday. I notice that when the resetter is tipped end >>> to end it sounds as if something is loose and rattling around inside. >>> I am wondering if your unit makes the same sound or if this is a >>> indication of a defective unit. >>> >>> I do not have any near empty Canon cartridges to use to test the >>> resetter - so I don't presently know if it works. I am assuming that >>> one would not want to try resetting a cartridge that is one half or >>> more full? >>> >>> Frank >> >> >> If you would use the recommended ink for your printer you would not >> have these problems. > > > Wanna bet! 2 new printers - two cartridge failures! > > Canon has literally forced us to buy a chip resetter as both of our > iP4500 printers (bought months apart) stopped printing and indicated > there was a "problem" with the original Canon cyan cartridges, that they > needed replacing. That's all very well and dandy had they been empty or > near empty. But they were 50% full (sponge free section). Nice going, > Canon! Way to engineer built-in stupidity with these totally > unnecessary chips that don't serve any useful purpose other than > malfunction. > > When Canon announced the addition of chips on cartridges a few years > ago, I predicted in this newsgroup that there would be malfunctions > with chipped cartridges. So as soon as I bought my first iP4500 I also > ordered a chip resetter. Well, it came in handy much sooner than > anticipated - on the initial set of cartridges - on both printers! > > But instead of throwing out a half full cartridge, I was able to reset > the chip in seconds and have the cartridge back in the printer and > working. Mind you I have to keep a visual eye on the cartridge now > because the ink meter says the cartridge is 100% full though actually > contains only about 50% ink. I can live with that. At least it's > working. > > The way I see it, chip resetters should be included with all Canon > printers since they have shown them to be far less reliable than the > previous unchipped printers. I highly recommend people get the re- > setter. They're not expensive and will easily pay for themselves during > the life of the printer. In my case I was able to reset two half-full > cartridges worth CAD $20. > > -Taliesyn > >
From: Arthur Entlich on 22 Dec 2008 01:51 IntergalacticExpandingPanda wrote: > Hell, with Epson, for the r280, it's cheaper to buy refurbished > printers with ink than it is to buy just the ink. But is the ink on the Epson also refurbished ;-) Art If you are interested in issues surrounding e-waste, I invite you to enter the discussion at my blog: http://e-trashtalk.spaces.live.com/
From: IntergalacticExpandingPanda on 22 Dec 2008 03:30 On Dec 21, 10:51 pm, Arthur Entlich <e-printerh...(a)mvps.org> wrote: > IntergalacticExpandingPanda wrote: > > > Hell, with Epson, for the r280, it's cheaper to buy refurbished > > printers with ink than it is to buy just the ink. > > But is the ink on the Epson also refurbished ;-) You tell me, lol. I have to admit, I only got 1 referb epson, and that was an r200. It came with cartridges, sealed. I didn't weigh them, but they gave no indication of being refurbished. I do see it on the website they do actually offer "refurbished ink". The price is identical at least for the R280 cartridges. I have NO idea what a refurbished cartridge is, or if they are any different than store bought cartridges, or if it's just a website glitch.
From: John Chapman on 22 Dec 2008 11:40
IntergalacticExpandingPanda wrote: > > > Righto, here's how it works. > > Canon has a reservoir (80%) Sponge (20%) and a prism. When reservoir > = empty prism exposed, signals printer 20% ink remaining (low ink > warning). > > Let's say you are able to keep the cartridges full all the time. > Prism not exposed so the printer should be happy? Well, they also > have a countdown as well. I don't know how many ml of ink you can use > before you trigger this failsafe. > > Here's the part that applies to you. The reverse is not true. Let's > say you have a mostly full chip (above 20%) and an empty reservoir. > The printer will presume presume 20% full and start the sponge > countdown? > > What does this mean? You can test the unit on a full cartridge if you > like. I'll just read 3 bars but the prism will still be happy to do > it's job. > > Noise. Mine makes some noise if you shake it. It's a PC board > attached with pegs. The contacts you see are attached directly to the > board. The switch you see is actually a plastic rod that hits a push > button on the unit it self. It is a screwless wonder. > I have the Redsetter chip resetter from Sudhaus. It works perfectly in resetting chips for my 4500 and my wife's 3500 both of which printers use the same cartridges. The paragraph above entitled "Noise" explains exactly about the inside of the resetter. *** Do not read on if you are measekite *** I have carefully prised open the Redsetter with a sharp knife along the whole of the bottom edge and have thus been able to disassemble the unit and reassemble it with small screws which means I can now change the battery if needed. Inside there is a small pc board which is located on four lugs or pegs which can be carefully drilled out to accept screws. The base of the resetter has some small dimples in the plastic. If you drill holes in the dimples at each corner then these should line up with the lugs inside and screws can go through the four holes in the base directly into the lugs thereby making the resetter have a longer life. *** DO NOT READ IF YOU ARE MEASEKITE *** So now I have the ability to reset all my ink cartridges and extend the life of the resetter by changing the battery *** measekite to resume reading here *** I love the results I get with my Canon 4500 printer. |