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From: measekite on 23 Dec 2008 01:14 On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 16:14:45 -0800, IntergalacticExpandingPanda wrote: > On Dec 22, 12:48 pm, measekite <inkysti...(a)oem.com> wrote: > >> The above top posted statement is incorrect. The mfgs are not forcing >> anybody to use the correct ink. There are many jerks that do not follow >> the advice of the mfg and get lousy results but either they lie about what >> they get or they are unknowingly willing to accept poorer results and >> enjoy complaining and having issues with their printers. >> >> The majority of printer users do in fact use OEM productgs. >> > > If the majority of printer users use OEM, then why the switch to the > chips? Don't get me wrong, I'm sure the majority use OEM, not because > it's an informed choice but because they don't know there are > options. You are nuts. They do know about options. Option 1: You have a higher risk of clogging your printer. Option 2: You get lower quality images. Option 3: You images have a greater risk of fading. Option 4: It is a big fat mess. Option 5: You have to support a fly by nite Option 6: You do not know what you are buying because the fly by nite will not tell you. > > By your logic, we should be using OEM oil for our cars. Ford oil for a > Ford car, Toyota oil for a Toyota. But as a matter of law they can't > make use of their product a condition of the warranty. Just cause you head comes to a point Don;t think you are sharp > > But if you're going to use the logic of the majority of printer users, > the majority of printer users don't need archival ink all the time. > Likely the main application for a printer is text with a dab of color. > You don't need OEM to do this. > > The chips serve one purpose, to lock the end user into buying their ink, > to maintain the monopoly. With the Canon design, chips are NOT required > since they use a prism to indicate whether the cartridges are full or > close to empty (20%). In fact the prism is still the major indicator. > > The thing you refuse to get is it's our printer. The manufacturer has > NO business forcing us to use their consumables. They are not. They are recommending that in order to get the best of what they designed the ink is part of the system.
From: IntergalacticExpandingPanda on 23 Dec 2008 01:34 On Dec 22, 10:10 pm, measekite <inkysti...(a)oem.com> wrote: > Chips were placed on the carts to increase functionality. It is a side > benefit to help idiots use the correct ink. What functions are increased by having a chip? From what I've observed the Canon printers act the same. They estimate how much ink they use until the prism is uncovered, then they give you the low ink warning. The ONLY thing you get from the chip is if you swap half full cartridges, the chip remembers how full it was estimated as being. Aside from that they do nothing for the end user, other than require them to spend more money on chips. > Then buy ink and write with a feather. If you like. I do find I can use the Canon aftermarket ink in my fountain pen. Basically every printer I buy now is technically "free" because > > of the years of money saved not using OEM cartridges. > > Rationalization A rational choice. OEM ink costs about 10 times that of aftermarket bulk ink. For average users one can expect to save hundreds of dollars. If printhead life is reduced, well, the savings is inexcess of the value of the printhead, and the value of the printer. Pigmented black ink enjoys the most benefits from bulk filling since archival life is not an issue. OEM does a slightly better job than MIS ink in the highlighter test. KMP ink on the other hand has gotten some great reviews, and according to Measekite is superior to OEM. > Liar. The fact that you bought a printer that was made by the mfg means > that you dealt with the mfg. No. You bought it from a store, not direct from the manufacturer, unless were talking Canon's e-store. > Right! What am I supposed to print with for 3-4 weeks? That > > 1950's kind of customer service just won't cut it in this modern world. FYI, I did have a lame canon mp760. It had a paper jam issue. That time they didn't give me the speech about OEM paper and not being responsible for damages caused by aftermarket paper. Anyways their "service" is to ship you a referb replacement, you send back the old one. Mine arrived via 2nd day air IIRC. If can't pull out the cartridges, you get a new printer from my understanding. So, given downtime is under a week. My Epson experience was dealing with the service center, which took a couple of weeks for them to say "we'll just give you a referb, with ink". To be fair, others got referbs by the mail. My issue on the epson was an overflowing diaper.
From: IntergalacticExpandingPanda on 23 Dec 2008 01:40 On Dec 22, 10:14 pm, measekite <inkysti...(a)oem.com> wrote: > You are nuts. They do know about options. > > Option 1: You have a higher risk of clogging your printer. Make an informed choice based on other people's experience. This risk is mitigated. > Option 2: You get lower quality images. This may or may not be the case. For MIS ink you have to compare images side by side to really tell the difference. > Option 3: You images have a greater risk of fading. For dye ink, I'm not aware of many archival solutions. Lyson claims to be. For black pigment ink this is NOT an issue. For color pigment ink, well that's not an option for the Canon. > Option 4: It is a big fat mess. That's an opinion, though I would agree refilling is more messy than OEM most of the time. > Option 5: You have to support a fly by nite A fly by nite is a company that takes your money and isn't around the next day. Fly by nite. These companies have been around for years. Pelikan has been around for DECADES. > Option 6: You do not know what you are buying because the fly by nite > will not tell you. MIS gives you the option to buy Image-specialists ink. alotofthings as you pointed out makes it clear their bulk kits contain formulabs ink. My MediaStreet ink was clearly labeled as such, though I suspect the manufacturer is actually Image_Specialists. If you must know who manufactured the ink, you can always buy from a company who will tell you.
From: Taliesyn on 23 Dec 2008 09:09 measekite <inkystinky(a)oem.com> wrote in news:qh%3l.9636$D32.5318 @flpi146.ffdc.sbc.com: > On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 21:50:26 +0000, Taliesyn wrote: > >> measekite <inkystinky(a)oem.com> wrote in >> news:a2T3l.9588$D32.3598(a)flpi146.ffdc.sbc.com: >> >>> On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 22:24:25 -0800, Arthur Entlich wrote: >>> >>>> Indeed, I feel similarly with any chipped cartridge... Of course, >>>> that would defeat the whole reason they put the chip there to begin >>>> with (in spite of what they may claim). >>>> >>>> With Epsons, which I have a lot more experience with, I have seen >>>> many chip and chip firmware related problems, as well as hardware >>>> related problems related to the chips. I find it ironic that >>>> purchasers end up paying extra for the printer, and the ink >>>> cartridges, and have additional issues with their printers so that >>>> they can be forced to buy the manufacturer's ink. "What a 'country'!" >>>> ;-) >>>> >>>> Art >>>> >>>> >>> >>> The above top posted statement is incorrect. The mfgs are not forcing >>> anybody to use the correct ink. >> >> That's why they placed the chips on the cartridges, stupid. People HAVE >> to buy BRAND NEW MANUFACTURER'S CARTRIDGES or lose ink metering. That is >> "force" by any definition of the word! >> > > > Chips were placed on the carts to increase functionality. Explain this "functionality", and without laughing... heheheeheh, see, I can't do it. Because the old cartridges were actually more functional and foolproof than the "functional" chipped ones..... because, the chipped ones MAL-function! -Taliesyn
From: Taliesyn on 23 Dec 2008 11:19
measekite <inkystinky(a)oem.com> wrote in news:Cl%3l.9637$D32.8849(a)flpi146.ffdc.sbc.com: > On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 16:14:45 -0800, IntergalacticExpandingPanda wrote: > >> On Dec 22, 12:48 pm, measekite <inkysti...(a)oem.com> wrote: >> >>> The above top posted statement is incorrect. The mfgs are not >>> forcing anybody to use the correct ink. There are many jerks that >>> do not follow the advice of the mfg and get lousy results but either >>> they lie about what they get or they are unknowingly willing to >>> accept poorer results and enjoy complaining and having issues with >>> their printers. >>> >>> The majority of printer users do in fact use OEM productgs. >>> >> >> If the majority of printer users use OEM, then why the switch to the >> chips? Don't get me wrong, I'm sure the majority use OEM, not >> because it's an informed choice but because they don't know there are >> options. > > You are nuts. They do know about options. > > Option 1: You have a higher risk of clogging your printer. One has a much higher risk of getting misinformation like the above from trolls. In 13 years I never had any more clogging with aftermarket than with OEM ink. In fact Canon has 2 printhead cleaning cycles in their printers because they know Canon ink, like any ink, can clog if printer isn't used for an extended period of time. > Option 2: You get lower quality images. OEM costs about 10 times more (depending on source). However, the quality difference is not 10 times better when using OEM cartridges. It's not even 10% better. Unless one needs archival quality ink, you're simply wasting your money. Oh, that's right, you print your own using OEM ink. > Option 3: You images have a greater risk of fading. Both OEM and non OEM will fade to nothing if left unprotected to the elements of the room. That's a known fact. My aftermartket made prints protected by dark or under glass have no noticeable fading over the many years. > Option 4: It is a big fat mess. Getting a drop of ink on your finger is not a "mess". I don't even use gloves. A beginner might, naturally, get more ink on his/her hands. But he/she will learn and the next time they may not even use gloves. Common sense, idiot. > Option 5: You have to support a fly by nite Or you can choose OEM who are ALWAYS to to rip you off with overpriced ink cartridges that show empty but are actually half full (personal experience). > > Option 6: You do not know what you are buying because the fly by nite > will not tell you. I'm buying ink made for my printer line. Do you ask Kraft where they bought their cheese from? Or Ford, where they got their mufflers from? Or your Mom, where you came from???? I'd seriously ask that last one... > > Just cause you head comes to a point > Don;t think you are sharp Oh gawd, a recycled joke from the Fifties. Too lame!.... -Taliesyn |