Canon CLI-8/PGI-5 resetter question
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From: IntergalacticExpandingPanda on 22 Dec 2008 12:19 On Dec 22, 9:12 am, John Chapman <jchap...(a)clara.net> wrote: > My experience of life tells me that if I hold a spare part ready at home > then that > spare part is never needed. If I need a spare then inevitably it will be > at a time > when the shops are closed. > I hold spares for both my boiler and my freezer neither of which have gone > wrong in 15 years. > On this basis the Redsetter will last forever. :-) Well, obviously so. If there ever reached the point that I needed to replace the batteries, odds are I'd either upgrade to AAA cells, or go with a voltage regulator and USB power.
From: measekite on 22 Dec 2008 15:48 On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 22:24:25 -0800, Arthur Entlich wrote: > Indeed, I feel similarly with any chipped cartridge... Of course, that > would defeat the whole reason they put the chip there to begin with (in > spite of what they may claim). > > With Epsons, which I have a lot more experience with, I have seen many > chip and chip firmware related problems, as well as hardware related > problems related to the chips. I find it ironic that purchasers end up > paying extra for the printer, and the ink cartridges, and have > additional issues with their printers so that they can be forced to buy > the manufacturer's ink. "What a 'country'!" ;-) > > Art > > The above top posted statement is incorrect. The mfgs are not forcing anybody to use the correct ink. There are many jerks that do not follow the advice of the mfg and get lousy results but either they lie about what they get or they are unknowingly willing to accept poorer results and enjoy complaining and having issues with their printers. The majority of printer users do in fact use OEM productgs. > > > If you are interested in issues surrounding e-waste, > I invite you to enter the discussion at my blog: > > http://e-trashtalk.spaces.live.com/ > > Taliesyn wrote: >> measekite <inkystinky(a)oem.com> wrote in >> news:tbz2l.8380$W06.4055(a)flpi148.ffdc.sbc.com: >> >>> On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:08:11 -0500, ECLiPSE 2002 wrote: >>> >>>> I've seen your posts on the comp.periphs.printers and would like to >>>> pick your brains. I have the Canon Pixma iP3500 and belately realized >>>> that the cartridges were affixed with chips that signal ink >>>> depletion. To make a long story short, I purchased some replacement >>>> cartridges from G&G, before learning that resetters were developed to >>>> allow continuation of the ink supply signaling. >>>> >>>> After reading your post I purchased the resetter from InkFilling and >>>> received it yesterday. I notice that when the resetter is tipped end >>>> to end it sounds as if something is loose and rattling around inside. >>>> I am wondering if your unit makes the same sound or if this is a >>>> indication of a defective unit. >>>> >>>> I do not have any near empty Canon cartridges to use to test the >>>> resetter - so I don't presently know if it works. I am assuming that >>>> one would not want to try resetting a cartridge that is one half or >>>> more full? >>>> >>>> Frank >>> >>> >>> If you would use the recommended ink for your printer you would not >>> have these problems. >> >> >> Wanna bet! 2 new printers - two cartridge failures! >> >> Canon has literally forced us to buy a chip resetter as both of our >> iP4500 printers (bought months apart) stopped printing and indicated >> there was a "problem" with the original Canon cyan cartridges, that they >> needed replacing. That's all very well and dandy had they been empty or >> near empty. But they were 50% full (sponge free section). Nice going, >> Canon! Way to engineer built-in stupidity with these totally >> unnecessary chips that don't serve any useful purpose other than >> malfunction. >> >> When Canon announced the addition of chips on cartridges a few years >> ago, I predicted in this newsgroup that there would be malfunctions >> with chipped cartridges. So as soon as I bought my first iP4500 I also >> ordered a chip resetter. Well, it came in handy much sooner than >> anticipated - on the initial set of cartridges - on both printers! >> >> But instead of throwing out a half full cartridge, I was able to reset >> the chip in seconds and have the cartridge back in the printer and >> working. Mind you I have to keep a visual eye on the cartridge now >> because the ink meter says the cartridge is 100% full though actually >> contains only about 50% ink. I can live with that. At least it's >> working. >> >> The way I see it, chip resetters should be included with all Canon >> printers since they have shown them to be far less reliable than the >> previous unchipped printers. I highly recommend people get the re- >> setter. They're not expensive and will easily pay for themselves during >> the life of the printer. In my case I was able to reset two half-full >> cartridges worth CAD $20. >> >> -Taliesyn >> >>
From: Taliesyn on 22 Dec 2008 16:50 measekite <inkystinky(a)oem.com> wrote in news:a2T3l.9588$D32.3598(a)flpi146.ffdc.sbc.com: > On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 22:24:25 -0800, Arthur Entlich wrote: > >> Indeed, I feel similarly with any chipped cartridge... Of course, >> that would defeat the whole reason they put the chip there to begin >> with (in spite of what they may claim). >> >> With Epsons, which I have a lot more experience with, I have seen >> many chip and chip firmware related problems, as well as hardware >> related problems related to the chips. I find it ironic that >> purchasers end up paying extra for the printer, and the ink >> cartridges, and have additional issues with their printers so that >> they can be forced to buy the manufacturer's ink. "What a 'country'!" >> ;-) >> >> Art >> >> > > The above top posted statement is incorrect. The mfgs are not forcing > anybody to use the correct ink. That's why they placed the chips on the cartridges, stupid. People HAVE to buy BRAND NEW MANUFACTURER'S CARTRIDGES or lose ink metering. That is "force" by any definition of the word! > There are many jerks that do not follow the advice of the mfg. The manufacturer's advice is to pay an incredible $100+ CAD for a set of new (Canon) cartridges. I don't subscribe to this sort of robbery since it's also the price of a brand new printer - with cartridges included! > and get lousy results Been using refilled cartridges/prefilled cartridges for 13 years. If I didn't like the quality, durability, concern for the printer, I would have stopped 12 years ago. Obviously I have seen nothing that would sway my opinion. I'm very happy and have saved thousands of dollars over the years. Basically every printer I buy now is technically "free" because of the years of money saved not using OEM cartridges. > but either they lie about what they get or they are > unknowingly willing to accept poorer results and enjoy complaining and > having issues with their printers. What issues? Printers are cheaper than the ink. Even the brand new iP4600 can be bought for less than the price of a set of expensive new Canon cartridges. I don't register with the mfg, I buy a 1-3 year automatic replacement warranty from the store. Never had to use it though. However, I will not deal with the mfg. Last (and only time I will ever call them) they told me to bring my printer to a service center. Right! What am I supposed to print with for 3-4 weeks? That 1950's kind of customer service just won't cut it in this modern world. -Taliesyn
From: IntergalacticExpandingPanda on 22 Dec 2008 19:14 On Dec 22, 12:48 pm, measekite <inkysti...(a)oem.com> wrote: > The above top posted statement is incorrect. The mfgs are not forcing > anybody to use the correct ink. There are many jerks that do not follow > the advice of the mfg and get lousy results but either they lie about what > they get or they are unknowingly willing to accept poorer results and > enjoy complaining and having issues with their printers. > > The majority of printer users do in fact use OEM productgs. > If the majority of printer users use OEM, then why the switch to the chips? Don't get me wrong, I'm sure the majority use OEM, not because it's an informed choice but because they don't know there are options. By your logic, we should be using OEM oil for our cars. Ford oil for a Ford car, Toyota oil for a Toyota. But as a matter of law they can't make use of their product a condition of the warranty. But if you're going to use the logic of the majority of printer users, the majority of printer users don't need archival ink all the time. Likely the main application for a printer is text with a dab of color. You don't need OEM to do this. The chips serve one purpose, to lock the end user into buying their ink, to maintain the monopoly. With the Canon design, chips are NOT required since they use a prism to indicate whether the cartridges are full or close to empty (20%). In fact the prism is still the major indicator. The thing you refuse to get is it's our printer. The manufacturer has NO business forcing us to use their consumables.
From: measekite on 23 Dec 2008 01:10
On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 21:50:26 +0000, Taliesyn wrote: > measekite <inkystinky(a)oem.com> wrote in > news:a2T3l.9588$D32.3598(a)flpi146.ffdc.sbc.com: > >> On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 22:24:25 -0800, Arthur Entlich wrote: >> >>> Indeed, I feel similarly with any chipped cartridge... Of course, >>> that would defeat the whole reason they put the chip there to begin >>> with (in spite of what they may claim). >>> >>> With Epsons, which I have a lot more experience with, I have seen >>> many chip and chip firmware related problems, as well as hardware >>> related problems related to the chips. I find it ironic that >>> purchasers end up paying extra for the printer, and the ink >>> cartridges, and have additional issues with their printers so that >>> they can be forced to buy the manufacturer's ink. "What a 'country'!" >>> ;-) >>> >>> Art >>> >>> >> >> The above top posted statement is incorrect. The mfgs are not forcing >> anybody to use the correct ink. > > That's why they placed the chips on the cartridges, stupid. People HAVE > to buy BRAND NEW MANUFACTURER'S CARTRIDGES or lose ink metering. That is > "force" by any definition of the word! > Chips were placed on the carts to increase functionality. It is a side benefit to help idiots use the correct ink. > >> There are many jerks that do not follow the advice of the mfg. > > The manufacturer's advice is to pay an incredible $100+ CAD for a set of > new (Canon) cartridges. I don't subscribe to this sort of robbery since > it's also the price of a brand new printer - with cartridges included! > >> and get lousy results Then buy ink and write with a feather. > > Been using refilled cartridges/prefilled cartridges for 13 years. If I And clogged many printers and put up with lower quality images. > didn't like the quality, durability, concern for the printer, I would > have stopped 12 years ago. Obviously I have seen nothing that would sway > my opinion. I'm very happy and have saved thousands of dollars over the > years. Basically every printer I buy now is technically "free" because > of the years of money saved not using OEM cartridges. Rationalization > >> but either they lie about what they get or they are unknowingly willing >> to accept poorer results and enjoy complaining and having issues with >> their printers. > > What issues? Printers are cheaper than the ink. Even the brand new > iP4600 can be bought for less than the price of a set of expensive new > Canon cartridges. I don't register with the mfg, I buy a 1-3 year > automatic replacement warranty from the store. Never had to use it > though. However, I will not deal with the mfg. Last (and only time I Liar. The fact that you bought a printer that was made by the mfg means that you dealt with the mfg. > will ever call them) they told me to bring my printer to a service > center. Right! What am I supposed to print with for 3-4 weeks? That > 1950's kind of customer service just won't cut it in this modern world. > > -Taliesyn |