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From: Graham J on 14 Jul 2010 10:34

"T i m" <news(a)spaced.me.uk> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 14 Jul 2010 08:33:24 +0100, "Graham J" <graham(a)invalid> wrote:
>
>>OK some general questions from one who knows not much about Macs:
>>
>>> 1) Unpack printer, fit carts, connect to WiFi.
>>
>>What IP address does the WiFi connection give to the printer?
>
> 192.168.0.12
>
>> How is this
>>achieved? By DHCP, or statically assigned in the printer?
>
> Initially by DHCP then I assigned one outside the scope manually, over
> the (wireless) LAN the Mac.
>>
>>As a matter of good practise the IP address should be static, and outside
>>the DHCP scope of the DHCP service. This is so that when there is a power
>>failure and power is restored in an unspecifued sequence, the printer is
>>guaranteed to have the same IP address, and one that dows not conflict
>>with
>>any other device on the LAN. If your DHCP sever (usually in the router)
>>can
>>bind the MAC address of the printer to a given IP address this is an ideal
>>method.
>
> ;-) Understood.
>>
>>From both XP and OSX can you reliably ping the printer?
>
> Didn't try from XP (as two systems worked from the get-go, as did
> Ubuntu once I'd tried a similar model as that wasn't directly
> mentioned, possibly too new).

Always worth trying ***before*** you run the manufacturer's CD

>>Does the printer have a built-in web page for management? Can you browse
>>this from bothe XP and OSX ?? (You see now why the printer must have a
>>static IP address.)
>
> It seems to yes although I've only accessed it via the utils so far.
>>
>>> 2) Put Canon Windows installer CD in XP desktop, install, finds
>>> printer, test print, and print from app, all ok.
>>
>>What protocol is used between XP and the printer? If you have fixed the
>>IP
>>address of the printer then TCP/IP would be best ...
>
> Pass, it just worked.

Worth finding out for future reference ...

Is there any risk that the protocol in use "locks" the printer to XP, so
another computer can't use it? I think Postcsript allows you to change the
"owner" of a printer, so you can prevent other people from printing on the
special paper that you've very expensively just put in the paper tray ...

> When installing the printer under OSX it either seems to fail at a
> step (then wouldn't carry on) or needs manual intervention and I'm not
> doing it right.

Don't think I can help further ....

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Graham J


From: T i m on 14 Jul 2010 10:36
On Wed, 14 Jul 2010 08:42:26 +0100, T i m <news(a)spaced.me.uk> wrote:

>On Wed, 14 Jul 2010 08:29:57 +0100, datasmog(a)hotmail.com (ray) wrote:
>
>
>>>
>>Many manufacturers printer drivers for OSX are not suitable for network
>>printing. This could be your problem.
>
>Ok but I'd like to think not in this case as it's a network printer
>and comes with a setup CD that asks if it's local or on the net etc.
>;-(
>
>>You may have to resort to gutenprint and use CUPS.
>><http://gimp-print.sourceforge.net/MacOSX.php>
>>Where you will probably find better drivers than Canon supplied.
>
>Ok, thanks for that and worth a try if the official path fails etc.
>

Just looking closer, it seems that none of MX series of printer are
listed?

http://www.canon.co.uk/For_Home/Product_Finder/Multifunctionals/Inkjet/PIXMA_MX350/

http://gutenprint.sourceforge.net/p_Supported_Printers.php

But if it actually came with a disk that says Macintosh (and seems to
go through the motions) then shouldn't that be sufficient?

Cheers, T i m
From: T i m on 14 Jul 2010 13:32
On Wed, 14 Jul 2010 15:34:53 +0100, "Graham J" <graham(a)invalid> wrote:


>>>From both XP and OSX can you reliably ping the printer?
>>
>> Didn't try from XP (as two systems worked from the get-go, as did
>> Ubuntu once I'd tried a similar model as that wasn't directly
>> mentioned, possibly too new).
>
>Always worth trying ***before*** you run the manufacturer's CD

Never thought to be honest as I didn't expect there to be any problems
(especially with the Mac!).
>
>>>
>>>What protocol is used between XP and the printer? If you have fixed the
>>>IP
>>>address of the printer then TCP/IP would be best ...
>>
>> Pass, it just worked.
>
>Worth finding out for future reference ...

Nope, good point and had I not wasted as much time on it as I had at
that point I might have been thinking clearer about the options.
However, working on the basis it printed fine from XP and Ubuntu,
could scan from the Mac and be configured by the Mac. I felt it was
down to a faulty printer driver on the Mac or the / my installation
process.
>
>Is there any risk that the protocol in use "locks" the printer to XP, so
>another computer can't use it?

I have to say I don't know but I was able to print from Ubuntu after
printing from XP (FWIW etc).

> I think Postcsript allows you to change the
>"owner" of a printer, so you can prevent other people from printing on the
>special paper that you've very expensively just put in the paper tray ...

Makes sense and I'll keep it in mind etc.
>
>> When installing the printer under OSX it either seems to fail at a
>> step (then wouldn't carry on) or needs manual intervention and I'm not
>> doing it right.
>
>Don't think I can help further ....

Ok, well thanks for trying anyway. ;-)

Cheers, T i m

From: ray on 15 Jul 2010 05:26
T i m <news(a)spaced.me.uk> wrote:

> On OSX (I think it) asks a similar question, it finds the printer then
> the add printer pops up, either pre-fills or defaults to LPD printing
> and then seemed to assume an i/p address (although in hindsight it was
> probably the previous HP network printer). We changed it from .16 to
> .12 (as confirmed on the XP and Linux machines) and it seems to look
> for and find the printer but then it defaults to a Ghostscript /
> Postscript (can remember) printer / driver.

Would this suggest then that there is something wrong with the Canon
supplied printer drivers and OSX can't use them? This would not effect
scanning or faxing.
Manufacturer supplied printer drivers for OSX cannot be relied upon to
actually be any good at all for printing. They are often hacked together
or ported from the Windows versions are just plain rubbish. It's not
Apples fault.
With the Gimp print/Gutenprint drivers you will often find picking
drivers for a machine similar to the one you are using will work fine.
Always worth a try.

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From: T i m on 15 Jul 2010 06:21
On Thu, 15 Jul 2010 10:26:22 +0100, datasmog(a)hotmail.com (ray) wrote:

>T i m <news(a)spaced.me.uk> wrote:
>
>> On OSX (I think it) asks a similar question, it finds the printer then
>> the add printer pops up, either pre-fills or defaults to LPD printing
>> and then seemed to assume an i/p address (although in hindsight it was
>> probably the previous HP network printer). We changed it from .16 to
>> .12 (as confirmed on the XP and Linux machines) and it seems to look
>> for and find the printer but then it defaults to a Ghostscript /
>> Postscript (can remember) printer / driver.
>
>Would this suggest then that there is something wrong with the Canon
>supplied printer drivers and OSX can't use them?

Agreed, this is now my gut feeling. I'm pretty sure it shouldn't be
this difficult.

> This would not effect
>scanning or faxing.

Or accessing the web config page or running the network utils etc,
agreed.

>Manufacturer supplied printer drivers for OSX cannot be relied upon to
>actually be any good at all for printing. They are often hacked together
>or ported from the Windows versions are just plain rubbish.

Oh dear.

> It's not
>Apples fault.

No, indeed not (never said it was), however the situation (whatever
the cause) means we can print from XP or Ubuntu and not the Mac (so
'it' looses points etc).

>With the Gimp print/Gutenprint drivers you will often find picking
>drivers for a machine similar to the one you are using will work fine.
>Always worth a try.

I looked Ray but I couldn't spot /any/ drivers for the MX series of
printer so have no idea what might be considered a similar machine
(and there is a fair list to go through).

http://gutenprint.sourceforge.net/p_Supported_Printers.php


What frustrates me (and I know you explained it above) is that they
(Canon) supplied two installer CDs, one says Windows and the other
says Macintosh, yet the Macintosh one doesn't (seem to) work. There
was no Linux CD and yet that (Ubuntu 10.04) prints ok. <sigh>

Cheers, T i m
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