From: dorayme on
In article
<tom_stiller-904AA4.16302302032010(a)news.individual.net>,
Tom Stiller <tom_stiller(a)yahoo.com> wrote:

> In article <doraymeRidThis-48B1E9.08131803032010(a)news.albasani.net>,
> dorayme <doraymeRidThis(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>
> > In article
> > <tom_stiller-80CD25.07523002032010(a)news.individual.net>,
> > Tom Stiller <tom_stiller(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > This is one reason for many business-like emails coming in HTML, by the
> > > > way. You don't want to leave it to the cleverness of the receiver if
> > > > your email looks good or not. And having your email come in three lines
> > > > spread over the full width of a 24" screen doesn't look good at all.
> > >
> > > Those businesses don't get my business.
> >
> > Even if it means cutting off your nose to spite your face.
>
> There are plenty of other businesses.

In my world, if I see something offered that is *just* what I
want at the time, there are not *easily findable* many *other
businesses* with just this product that is *just as convenient*.
One sensible thing to do is to allow HTML emails in and turn off
the images (makes them quick to load). Turn images on if you are
interested in seeing the photos, flash etc...

--
dorayme
From: dorayme on
In article <michelle-3D90AE.16303902032010(a)nothing.attdns.com>,
Michelle Steiner <michelle(a)michelle.org> wrote:

> In article <doraymeRidThis-7EE106.09244003032010(a)news.albasani.net>,
> dorayme <doraymeRidThis(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>
> > In my world, if I see something offered that is *just* what I want at
> > the time, there are not *easily findable* many *other businesses* with
> > just this product that is *just as convenient*.
>
> in my world, I rarely if ever receive email offering me just what I want at
> the time.

That is my world too. Perhaps you do not fully understand
conditionals or variation of the literal point.

(But don't worry, Michelle, you will be very popular here, there
are many black and white thinkers to keep you company. Did you
know that autism is an actual advantage in technical matters.
Wish I had more of this condition and less of my being an
all-round-good-sport, fun-to-be-drinking-with, and
incredibly-good-looking self.)

--
dorayme
From: dorayme on
In article <michelle-C924B1.17411602032010(a)nothing.attdns.com>,
Michelle Steiner <michelle(a)michelle.org> wrote:

> In article <doraymeRidThis-2F1D95.11340203032010(a)news.albasani.net>,
> dorayme <doraymeRidThis(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>
> > > > In my world, if I see something offered that is *just* what I want
> > > > at the time, there are not *easily findable* many *other businesses*
> > > > with just this product that is *just as convenient*.
> > >
> > > in my world, I rarely if ever receive email offering me just what I
> > > want at the time.
> >
> > That is my world too. Perhaps you do not fully understand conditionals
> > or variation of the literal point.
>
> Oh, I understand it very much; I also understand that it's very divorced
> from reality.
>

No you don't. You don't understand the natural variations. One
would be a friend forwards or has an HTML email sent to you
because he knows you are interested in something at that time. So
divorced from reality. You live in a cartoon land.

--
dorayme
From: Jolly Roger on
In article <m2sk8jf4bf.fsf(a)revier.com>, Jochem Huhmann <joh(a)gmx.net>
wrote:

> Jolly Roger <jollyroger(a)pobox.com> writes:
>
> >> > You shouldn't insert hard carriage returns except to end a paragraph; it
> >> > can mess up the formatting and readability on the receiver's system,
> >> > depending on how that system handles text.
> >>
> >> The thing is that people running their email clients full-screen end up
> >> with lines 200 characters wide. OK, it's *their* problem, but still.
> >
> > Is it not *their* computer and *their* email client to do with as they
> > wish? If they wish to read emails with 200-character-wide lines, why
> > should anyone attempt to prevent me from doing so?
>
> More often than not such people don't know what they're doing. They just
> run everything full-screen and see some emails nicely formatted and
> others not.

Please provide statistics that prove your assertion that most people who
view emails in wide windows don't know what they are doing. I'm not just
going to take your word for it.

> If this is a client of yours and he thinks your emails suck
> and are hard to read, you may wish to change that without calling him an
> idiot and to tell him to resize his windows. You want his money after
> all and not to argue with him.

The person asking for this formatting ability is the person *writing*
the email, not the person reading it. He obviously doesn't care what the
reader thinks. He wants it to look good by his own standards. And that's
the crux of the problem.

> This is one reason for many business-like emails coming in HTML, by the
> way. You don't want to leave it to the cleverness of the receiver if
> your email looks good or not.

I'd say it's probably closer to the truth that businesses choose HTML
email because it lets them apply fancy fonts and typography in an effort
to make an impression, without much concern for actual readability or
what readers happen to prefer in terms of what looks good.

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From: dorayme on
In article <michelle-854DDE.18220102032010(a)nothing.attdns.com>,
Michelle Steiner <michelle(a)michelle.org> wrote:

> In article <doraymeRidThis-6D511E.12022103032010(a)news.albasani.net>,
> dorayme <doraymeRidThis(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>
> > > > > > In my world, if I see something offered that is *just* what I
> > > > > > want at the time, there are not *easily findable* many *other
> > > > > > businesses* with just this product that is *just as convenient*.
> > > > >
> > > > > in my world, I rarely if ever receive email offering me just what
> > > > > I want at the time.
> > > >
> > > > That is my world too. Perhaps you do not fully understand
> > > > conditionals or variation of the literal point.
> > >
> > > Oh, I understand it very much; I also understand that it's very
> > > divorced from reality.
> > >
> >
> > No you don't. You don't understand the natural variations. One would be
> > a friend forwards or has an HTML email sent to you because he knows you
> > are interested in something at that time. So divorced from reality. You
> > live in a cartoon land.
>
> You don't understand the difference between "business" and "friend"?
>
> If a friend of mine thought I'd be interested in product or service, she
> would send me a link to the web site so I could check it out.
>
> It's shame that you're more interested in being right than what is right.
> You're still off key and out of tune; go practice some more.

You love taking poses and this is what I complain about. You
sniffy little thing, your *friends* are so damn perfect and so
damn aware of all the ups and downs (mainly downs) of HTML emails
eh? Well, bully for you, miss! What's it like being so
self-satisfied and so confident of one's circle of perfection?

My situation is different to yours. First I have a lot of enemies
(and most people can see why). Why would an enemy not send me a
pesky HTML email? In Unforgiven, English Bob, explains how
difficult it would be to shoot a King or a Queen, one would be
awed by their majesty (or some such phrase), but, he added,
regarding a President, well, why would you not?

Plus my friends are all imperfect. And yes (but not the assent
you would expect) some businesses send HTML emails, and these are
fine by me because I have images switched off. And it is fine by
me to either turn the images on if I want (as from font companies
- who make beautiful HTML emails or, if there is a link to web
version, to click it.

The whole point is that it is plain silly to be thinking that
somehow you won't buy something or pursue anything with someone
or some organization that sends HTML emails which was the
original suggestion in the air.

I am most pleased that you have seen that it is correct to stand
there and let me punish you for your sins. At least you have more
guts than some of those other lilly livered jive turkeys who
think they are so pure of heart.

You have pretensions of thinking clearly but you don't have what
it takes to get a good pose-free perspective on anything much
because it requires a crucial ingredient: common sense.

--
dorayme