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From: Peter on 6 Jun 2010 06:57
In article <6f185f76-27a3-4db0-8c21-
106dd69b7130(a)j8g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>, raylopez88(a)gmail.com says...
>
> Stupid question #2: if I go with the D-Link, I just power it up, plug
> the speedtouch DSL modem into the "WAN" port as input, then ethernet
> cables from two of the four other ports to my two PCs' ethernet card
> ports, right? Then on bootup the PCs should both recognize the DSL
> modem, right? And both can independently surf the internet via the
> same DLS modem right? (with a performance penalty I assume for sharing
> the same bandwidth of course).
>

No, the router would replace the modem and connect directly to the phone
line.

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Pete Ives
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From: Mike Easter on 6 Jun 2010 10:17
RayLopez99 wrote:
>Mike Easter

>> If your speedtouch is *not* a gateway type device, then you need the
>> router instead of the switch. If it is gateway, then you can use either
>> one with the speed touch.
>
> But, failsafe logic: what's the harm in using the router *even if*
> the speedtouch is a gateway type device?

I would use the switch; because it is 'made for' just this kind of job.
It will save you confusion and configurational woes and prevent
opportunities for your making mistakes. See below at the end.

> (Speedtouch 536, now renamed), see below for info.

You go from too little info to too much. The modelno & link would have
been sufficient.

> Below is the information I copied and pasted from online. One clue is
> that the SpeedTouch (aka Technicolor) 536 model is also called below a
> "Gateway",

Correct.

My understanding is that you are currently connected directly to the DSL
modem. I'll call that comp1. In addition, you have two other old
computers comp2 and comp3 which you are twiddling with.

First, we need to create a network and my first choice would be
introducing the switch; DSL modem to switch, comp1 to switch.

As stated earlier, the switch doesn't care which port the modem is
plugged into; conventionally I use the first one for the modem and the
second for the first computer.

After you are connected, Powerdown everything, powerup the modem and let
its lights settle, powerup the switch and let its lights settle, powerup
comp1.

Since you were already getting online with the DSL modem, I suspect that
the switch will just be 'transparent'. I suspect the introduction of
the switch will just 'magically' provide new ports for the other
computers to be connected to the internet the same way comp1 is.


--
Mike Easter
From: Mike Easter on 6 Jun 2010 10:58
Mike Easter wrote:

> My understanding is that you are currently connected directly to the DSL
> modem. I'll call that comp1. In addition, you have two other old
> computers comp2 and comp3 which you are twiddling with.

You RL have been repeatedly requested to provide additional hardware
information which is not forthcoming.

First here is what I know; there needs to be a great deal more.

Here is much better docs for the SpeedTouch than provided at Technicolor

Thomson/SpeedTouch ST536 http://snipr.com/x5mi5

Here are docs for the Asus switch:

Asus GigaX1005B http://snipr.com/x5mhm

Here is all I know about computers comp2 & comp3 and you also haven't
defined comp1 at all, incidentally.

comp1 = XP P4,
comp2 = 1998-2000 Dell Inspiron LT (laptop) P2 512meg ram, USB mouse,
optical dvd/cd, dialup modem no ethernet yet - purpose intended for
female friend, inadequate description.
comp3 = 1995 P1 or P2 'tiny amount of ram' desktop - totally
inadequate description.

When I define or describe my computers, it includes mobo mfr, cpu
type/speed, supporting chipsets, hard disks brand, type ide/sata 1or2,
size; optical drive mfr/type, floppy or not, ports ps2, serial,
ethernet, USB 1/2, graphics card or integrated, ethernet card or
integrated, modem type/chipset/controller, sound card or integrated, and
more.

We don't need all of that for these computers, but you have not provided
sufficient hardware information to work with. You have not defined
comp3's ram properly either by using some other tool or looking at the
sticks or whatever; and you have been vague on comp2's ram. Right now
you seem to be focused on comp3 instead of the Dell LT. Fine. But
let's define it accurately.

You have all of these questions, but you are failing to provide
essential information in spite of being asked.

--
Mike Easter
From: Mike Easter on 6 Jun 2010 13:49
Mike Easter wrote:

> Here is all I know

> comp1 = XP P4,
> comp2 = 1998-2000 Dell Inspiron LT (laptop) P2 512meg ram, USB mouse,
> optical dvd/cd, dialup modem no ethernet yet - purpose intended for
> female friend, inadequate description.
> comp3 = 1995 P1 or P2 'tiny amount of ram' desktop - totally
> inadequate description.

Before proceeding further, I think we would benefit from your having at
least 3 CDs, the DSL 4.4.1, the Puppy 5.0.1, and Hiren's 10.4; and
possibly the linmodem tool scanmodem.

The purpose of the Hiren's is to help get hardware info better. You can
also get some hardware info with DSL using DSL/ System/ System stats/
<bottom tabs> cpu/mem/ etc including modem in PCI

Re the dialup: DSL 4.4.1's modem tool is much 'cruder' than Puppy
5.0.1's - so I would expect you to do better (to be successful with
dialup) about the dialup with puppy than with damnsmall.

If the modem is really difficult and we were going to work hard on it
because you have no ethernet card (yet) on comp2, then it might even
become necessary to use the scanmodem tool.

Damnsmall's hardware analyzer for my modem was not as good as some of
the system analyzers on Hiren's.

It would be better to use the ADSL gateway modem + the Asus switch and
do everything by ethernet instead of using any dialup at all.

Since you have already booted comp3 with damnsmall, you should provide a
report from its system stats described above about its cpu and ram and
also everything you see on the back and what kind of vid card it has.

Damnsmall's system stats also doesn't do as good a job of id/ing my vid
card as did some system tools on Hiren's but it performed just fine at
accomplishing good video during boot.


--
Mike Easter
From: RayLopez99 on 6 Jun 2010 15:56
On Jun 6, 5:17 pm, Mike Easter <Mi...(a)ster.invalid> wrote:
> RayLopez99 wrote:
> >Mike Easter
> >> If your speedtouch is *not* a gateway type device, then you need the
> >> router instead of the switch.  If it is gateway, then you can use either
> >> one with the speed touch.
>
> > But, failsafe logic:  what's the harm in using the router *even if*
> > the speedtouch is a gateway type device?
>
> I would use the switch;  because it is 'made for' just this kind of job..
>   It will save you confusion and configurational woes and prevent
> opportunities for your making mistakes.  See below at the end.
>
> > (Speedtouch 536, now renamed), see below for info.
>
> You go from too little info to too much.  The modelno & link would have
> been sufficient.
>
> > Below is the information I copied and pasted from online.  One clue is
> > that the SpeedTouch (aka Technicolor) 536 model is also called below a
> > "Gateway",
>
> Correct.
>
> My understanding is that you are currently connected directly to the DSL
> modem.  I'll call that comp1.  In addition, you have two other old
> computers comp2 and comp3 which you are twiddling with.
>
> First, we need to create a network and my first choice would be
> introducing the switch;  DSL modem to switch, comp1 to switch.
>
> As stated earlier, the switch doesn't care which port the modem is
> plugged into;  conventionally I use the first one for the modem and the
> second for the first computer.
>
> After you are connected, Powerdown everything, powerup the modem and let
> its lights settle, powerup the switch and let its lights settle, powerup
> comp1.
>
> Since you were already getting online with the DSL modem, I suspect that
> the switch will just be 'transparent'.  I suspect the introduction of
> the switch will just 'magically' provide new ports for the other
> computers to be connected to the internet the same way comp1 is.

OK, this was very good news. If this works I would be very thankful.
You are assuming the PCs will be auto-recognized by the Asus switch
which will magically or through its lookup tables make the Speedtouch
DSL modem think there's only one PC connected to it (or something like
that). But it makes sense, as that's what these smart switches are
supposed to do.

Now keep in mind I need to go buy, on Monday, an Ethernet card for the
Pentium II (the one 'with little RAM') that I have Damn Small Linux
on. So I won't have an answer until at least 12 hours from now (it's
Sunday right now--all shops closed here). The Dell laptop, BTW, has a
"Slot" Ethernet card already. Trouble is, it's not here but in the
USA. So I'll have 2 not 3 PCs connected to the Speedtouch DSL modem.

Some theory: (just to make the point even more clear in my mind): if
I were to use the D-Link router (which has 4+1 = 5 ports in the back),
I guess I could dispense with both the current Thomson Speedtouch DSL
modem and the Asus switch, correct? I'm not going to do that, since
it might create problems (I'm guessing) since the Speedtouch DSL is
made for Europe and the D-Link says (I think because of the power
supply but maybe because of some weird protocols) "For USA use only",
but I just want to confirm a point made by Pete Ives in this thread
that you can do this (I thought, when I first read Peter's post, he
was joking but I see in view of your answer perhaps he's serious).

Also I will assume that the Linux PC will magically recognize the
Speedtouch modem, without the need for a software driver. I vaguely
recall some CD-ROM came with the Speedtouch DSL modem, and the box of
the Speedtouch says on the outside of it "Designed for Windows XP",
but I don't recall installing any software for the Speedtouch (I think
the CD just had an Owners Manual on it)--it was, I believe, plug and
play. I trust (hope) the Linux machine, once I insert an Ethernet
card in it, will also 'automatically' recognize the Speedtouch modem
working through the Asus switch. Please correct me if I'm wrong,
though I'll find out tomorrow.

Thanks for your help so far.

RL
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