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From: RayLopez99 on 6 Jun 2010 16:00
On Jun 6, 5:58 pm, Mike Easter <Mi...(a)ster.invalid> wrote:

> We don't need all of that for these computers, but you have not provided
> sufficient hardware information to work with.  

You seem to contradict yourself here...why do you need this info, then
you don't need it? Anyway, you got it right, in your description--
it's as you described, with the proviso that the laptop PC is actually
in the States, not here.


> You have not defined
> comp3's ram properly either by using some other tool or looking at the
> sticks or whatever;  and you have been vague on comp2's ram.  Right now
> you seem to be focused on comp3 instead of the Dell LT.  Fine.  But
> let's define it accurately.

OK. RAM for the Pentium I/II (Linux machine) I'll find out in person
when I unscrew the two dozen or so (it seems) screws that hold the
case on, when I insert a new PCI Ethernet card on Monday. I'll see how
many sticks I put in there....you can't trust the BIOS to tell you it
seems.

RL

From: RayLopez99 on 6 Jun 2010 16:02
On Jun 6, 8:49 pm, Mike Easter <Mi...(a)ster.invalid> wrote:

> It would be better to use the ADSL gateway modem + the Asus switch and
> do everything by ethernet instead of using any dialup at all.

Right. And ethernet is cheaper too since you don't pay by the minute
as with dialup in this country (9 cents a minute!).

So it's a moot point, the dialup is. I'm working on the DSL modem +
switch configuration now, as you say.

RL
From: Mike Easter on 6 Jun 2010 16:43
RayLopez99 wrote:

> Now keep in mind I need to go buy, on Monday, an Ethernet card for the
> Pentium II (the one 'with little RAM') that I have Damn Small Linux
> on.

We are talking about comp3 now. comp2 LT is in US.

You can boot up damnsmall. Use its tool to tell the ram it sees as I
described elsewhere:

DSL/ System/ System stats/ <bottom tabs> cpu/mem/

That comp3 you need to tell its ram, cpu, connections such as USB,
serial, PS/2, available mouse hopefully PS/2, hdd size, floppy?, optical
which you booted damnsmall, and just out of curiosity whatever damnsmall
sez about its modem and mobo.

> So I won't have an answer until at least 12 hours from now (it's
> Sunday right now--all shops closed here).

There is no reason you cannot give the current hardware info
immediately. Now.

> The Dell laptop, BTW, has a
> "Slot" Ethernet card already. Trouble is, it's not here but in the
> USA. So I'll have 2 not 3 PCs connected to the Speedtouch DSL modem.

OK I see.

> Some theory: (just to make the point even more clear in my mind): if
> I were to use the D-Link router (which has 4+1 = 5 ports in the back),
> I guess I could dispense with both the current Thomson Speedtouch DSL
> modem and the Asus switch, correct?

Absolutely not. The DSL modem is necessary for *connectivity*. Where I
am sitting I have a little network to which my computers are connected.
My little network is connected to TimeWarners larger network which is
copper and fiber cable to its big internet and TV cable facility not
many miles to the S of me. From there, TW's network connects to the
internet at large, which includes Greece.

Where you are sitting, you are trying to create a little network of
which one side is the switch and your computers and 'half' of the
Thomson/SpeedTouch gateway (router) device. The other half of the
speedtouch is designed to connect to some Greek providers network which
I read somewhere is Greek National Provider OTE which OTE is connected
to the rest of the internet including my TimeWarner.

> Also I will assume that the Linux PC will magically recognize the
> Speedtouch modem, without the need for a software driver.

That isn't correct the way you are saying it. What the speedtouch is
doing with one half is connecting via ADSL to the Greek network and the
world. With its other half it is creating an ethernet network of which
the parts are its ethernet, the switches ethernet and the ethernets of
your XP and the linux damnsmall.

> I vaguely
> recall some CD-ROM came with the Speedtouch DSL modem, and the box of
> the Speedtouch says on the outside of it "Designed for Windows XP",
> but I don't recall installing any software for the Speedtouch (I think
> the CD just had an Owners Manual on it)--it was, I believe, plug and
> play.

Your linux isn't dealing with the speedtouch directly, it is ethernetting.

But I think it could, I just don't want to talk about that.

> I trust (hope) the Linux machine, once I insert an Ethernet
> card in it, will also 'automatically' recognize the Speedtouch modem
> working through the Asus switch. Please correct me if I'm wrong,
> though I'll find out tomorrow.

What your damnsmall will see is an ethernet and an IPv4 address from the
router part of the gateway. It won't even know what kind of device is
giving out the IP; it looks the same as a cable IPv4 IP.

An ethernet is an ethernet.

When are you going to define your hardware here?


--
Mike Easter
From: Mike Easter on 6 Jun 2010 16:46
RayLopez99 wrote:
> Mike Easter
>
>> you have not provided
>> sufficient hardware information to work with.
>
> You seem to contradict yourself here...

Why are you arguing about it instead of determining the ram and cpu and
the rest I said in the previous post. Also the mobo and other features.

> OK. RAM for the Pentium I/II (Linux machine) I'll find out in person
> when I unscrew the two dozen or so (it seems) screws that hold the
> case on, when I insert a new PCI Ethernet card on Monday. I'll see how
> many sticks I put in there....you can't trust the BIOS to tell you it
> seems.

If you would determine what is the mobo in the comp3, then you would
know how much ram it can have of what kind and how easy or hard it would
be to find some at what cost or just salvage it somewhere.

As it is, you know virtually nothing about the comp3 that you have told
us here.




--
Mike Easter
From: Nigel Feltham on 7 Jun 2010 02:40
Peter wrote:

> In article <6f185f76-27a3-4db0-8c21-
> 106dd69b7130(a)j8g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>, raylopez88(a)gmail.com says...
>>
>> Stupid question #2: if I go with the D-Link, I just power it up, plug
>> the speedtouch DSL modem into the "WAN" port as input, then ethernet
>> cables from two of the four other ports to my two PCs' ethernet card
>> ports, right? Then on bootup the PCs should both recognize the DSL
>> modem, right? And both can independently surf the internet via the
>> same DLS modem right? (with a performance penalty I assume for sharing
>> the same bandwidth of course).
>>
>
> No, the router would replace the modem and connect directly to the phone
> line.

Not in this case as from the description it sounds like he has a cable modem
(ADSL modems have phone connection labelled 'Line', cable modems have 'WAN'
ports) which does need a separate ADSL modem/router connected to the WAN
port to work this way (not forgetting to configure the router for
user/password and other connection settings).
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