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From: Hadron on 7 Jun 2010 04:51
Peter <pete.ivesAll_stRESS(a)blueyonder.co.uk> writes:

> In article <6f185f76-27a3-4db0-8c21-
> 106dd69b7130(a)j8g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>, raylopez88(a)gmail.com says...
>>
>> Stupid question #2: if I go with the D-Link, I just power it up, plug
>> the speedtouch DSL modem into the "WAN" port as input, then ethernet
>> cables from two of the four other ports to my two PCs' ethernet card
>> ports, right? Then on bootup the PCs should both recognize the DSL
>> modem, right? And both can independently surf the internet via the
>> same DLS modem right? (with a performance penalty I assume for sharing
>> the same bandwidth of course).
>>
>
> No, the router would replace the modem and connect directly to the phone
> line.

Router's do not replace modems.

Unless it's a dsl modem/router combo product.

From: RayLopez99 on 7 Jun 2010 05:14
On Jun 7, 11:51 am, Hadron<hadronqu...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Peter <pete.ivesAll_stR...(a)blueyonder.co.uk> writes:
> > In article <6f185f76-27a3-4db0-8c21-
> > 106dd69b7...(a)j8g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>, raylope...(a)gmail.com says...
>
> >> Stupid question #2: if I go with the D-Link, I just power it up, plug
> >> the speedtouch DSL modem into the "WAN" port as input, then ethernet
> >> cables from two of the four other ports to my two PCs' ethernet card
> >> ports, right? Then on bootup the PCs should both recognize the DSL
> >> modem, right?  And both can independently surf the internet via the
> >> same DLS modem right? (with a performance penalty I assume for sharing
> >> the same bandwidth of course).
>
> > No, the router would replace the modem and connect directly to the phone
> > line.
>
> Router's do not replace modems.
>
> Unless it's a dsl modem/router combo product.

Well right now I took the simpler path, which was the old dsl modem
with the new switch, rather than old dsl modem and new router ...and
it's working on Windows XP. Now I have to go buy an Ethernet card,
put it in the Damn Small Linux Pentium II machine, and see if it will
recognize the it.

Linux is...hobbyware. But it's fun to play with it once in a
while...we'll see. I want to compare surfing the net via Linux vs via
Windows using the same PC (the Pentium II, which was running Windows
2000 just fine).

RL
From: John Doe on 7 Jun 2010 05:41
RayLopez99 <raylopez88 gmail.com> wrote:

> Linux is...hobbyware. But it's fun to play with it once in a
> while...we'll see. I want to compare surfing the net via Linux
> vs via Windows using the same PC (the Pentium II, which was
> running Windows 2000 just fine).

FWIW.
If you are talking about using Internet Explorer, try Firefox for a
remarkably better browsing experience. An older version is probably
faster, but I do not know whether it would be properly updated.
From: Mike Easter on 7 Jun 2010 07:29
RayLopez99 wrote:

> I want to compare surfing the net via Linux vs via
> Windows using the same PC (the Pentium II, which was running Windows
> 2000 just fine).

Do you mean the desktop P2 which I call comp3 which you have never
defined the hardware except to say that it was a desktop P1 or P2 with
you think less than 50 meg of ram? That 'P2' which you alleged was
running W2k 'just fine'?

You said you had booted damnsmall live CD on it but you didn't say if
you had installed damnsmall on the hdd. So, I guess we know comp3 can
boot from the CD.

You haven't actually defined the cpu as 'P1' (P5) or P2 (P6 intro'd
1997) exactly, which includes a range 66 mhz - 366 mhz. You haven't
defined the amount of ram accurately. You haven't defined if the
keyboard and mouse are both PS/2 or what or what kind of USB it has,
presumably USB1.

You have said that it has some kind of unidentified modem and that it
doesn't have an ethernet card yet. You haven't said what is the mobo,
nor if it has a serial port or what is the video or hdd. I think you
have a USB mouse but I don't know if you have a PS/2 one or not.

You are posting this to a group which discusses how to use old hardware
and you haven't defined the old hardware in question at all.


--
Mike Easter
achp-h only
From: Pascal Hambourg on 7 Jun 2010 07:49
[Follow-up to comp.os.linux.setup only, other newsgroups are irrelevant]

Hello,

RayLopez99 a �crit :
>> Well, I just checked to see if the modem works. It was working (years
>> ago) under Windows 2000 on this old Pentium II with limited RAM.

What kind of modem is it ? Internal, on PCI or ISA slot ? If PCI, check
the output of the command "lspci" in a shell. If ISA PnP, check the
kernel log with the command "dmesg" for any PnP messages. And of course,
you can read the markings on the modem itself.

Many internal modems of that time, especially PCI ones, were called
"winmodems" because they needed specific drivers that were usually
available only for (some specific versions of) Windows. If your modem is
one of them, you have no luck.

>> I had four choices for modem port: ttys0 to s3, corresponding to COM1
>> to COM4.

Usually, ttyS0 and ttyS1 are the serial ports embedded on the motherboard.

> Just thought of something: if I install an Ethernet card in the old
> Pentium II, I have an old router, and I then connect the DSL modem
> (which only has one port) to the router, will the DSL modem talk to
> two computers?

Short answer : no.

> Of course, right? That's what a router does...

Short answer : no.

> Then I can connect to the internet with the old pentium via Linux, right?

Maybe, if everything is properly configured.

> The DLS modem is a standard "speedtouch" model (French company).

Speedtouch Home, Pro, 510... or other model ?
The SpeedTouch Home operates only as a modem (unless hacked), other
models can operate as modem-routers.

> The router [NOT A ROUTER--it's a switch] is actually a switch by
> AsusTech found here: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16833320044&Local=y
> ASUS GX1005B 10/100Mbps Desktop Unmanaged Switch for Home/SOHO 5 x
> RJ45 1K MAC Address Table has a power supply port and five ports.
>
> Stupid question: why are there five ports on the back and not one is
> labeled "input"? Do they all function as input/output,

Yes, as any ethernet port of almost any existing device. Ethernet is
bidirectional. All ports are equivalent in an unmanaged switch.

> meaning the
> speedtouch output goes into any of the five ports, then you use your
> Ethernet cables from any of the remaining four ports to the two pcs?

Maybe, depending on the Speedtouch model and setup.
If I understand correctly, the internet connection of the other PC
running Windows currently connected to the Speedtouch is defined as
"broadband" (meaning PPPoE in this context), so the Speedtouch is likely
to be operating as a simple modem.

> CHeck this out... just found this in storage.. (I save stuff and this
> was something I bought at a garage sale in the USA...even has a
> sticker "US only" (for the power I guess...will have to use a
> transformer on it to switch to 220 V).
>
> This is a D-LInk labeled "Ethernet Broadband Router"! No model
> number--looks commercial--and has a port labeled "WAN" and four other
> ports labeled 1 to 4.
>
> Question for you network gurus: Should I use (and I think the answer
> is yes) the D-link "Ethernet Broadband Router" rather than the
> AsusTech "Switch"?

I guess so.

> But the switch has a MAC table in it too, right?

Sure, but so what ? What does it have to do with the rest ?

> But the D-link, besides being a good company, looks very wickedly
> commercial and high tech...

What do you mean ?

> what would be the advantage of using the D-
> link over the Asustech? Both have MAC and function as routers, right?

The switch won't allow you to share the PPPoE connection. The router
would be able to handle the PPPoE connection and share it to the two
PCs. But you many need to reconfigure the PC running Windows because to
its point of view it will not be a "broadband" connection anymore but a
standard ethernet connection.

> Stupid question #2: if I go with the D-Link, I just power it up, plug
> the speedtouch DSL modem into the "WAN" port as input, then ethernet
> cables from two of the four other ports to my two PCs' ethernet card
> ports, right?

No, then you need to configure the router and possibly the PCs.

> Then on bootup the PCs should both recognize the DSL
> modem, right?

Short answer : no. The modem is as transparent as a switch.

> And both can independently surf the internet via the
> same DLS modem right? (with a performance penalty I assume for sharing
> the same bandwidth of course).

Yes, when everything is properly set up.

Nota : you really need to understand all this networking stuff (what's a
modem, a switch, a router, how does it work...) before you start setting
up anything.
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