Electron and proton attraction by opposite charge
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From: BURT on 6 May 2010 14:16 On May 6, 7:57 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On May 4, 9:21 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > If the electric force has an opposite which acts as an attraction it > > would mean that the electron and protons ought to come together > > because of it. But you have to force these particles together so how > > can you say they attract one another? > > > Mitch Raemsch > > No, it does NOT mean that electrons and protons ought to come together > because of it. No that makes no sense that they are attractive but they don't come together without force. Mitch Raemsch > The reason is angular momentum. > The simple test you can do in the town library where you make your > posts is to swing a pail of water in a vertical circle. You'll note > that if you swing fast enough, the water does not fall out of the pail > onto your head, even when the pail is overhead and gravity is pulling > the water downward. Note that gravity and the pressure from the sides > and bottom of the pail are the only forces acting on the water. > So, once you figure out why gravity doesn't make the water fall out of > the pail onto your head when you do this, you'll understand perhaps > why the moon doesn't fall into the earth, why the earth doesn't fall > into the sun, and why the electron doesn't fall into the proton. Can youi please show how attraction doesn't bring them together? Lets be sensible.
From: PD on 6 May 2010 14:42 On May 6, 1:16 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On May 6, 7:57 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > On May 4, 9:21 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > If the electric force has an opposite which acts as an attraction it > > > would mean that the electron and protons ought to come together > > > because of it. But you have to force these particles together so how > > > can you say they attract one another? > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > No, it does NOT mean that electrons and protons ought to come together > > because of it. > > No that makes no sense that they are attractive but they don't come > together without force. > > Mitch Raemsch > > > The reason is angular momentum. > > The simple test you can do in the town library where you make your > > posts is to swing a pail of water in a vertical circle. You'll note > > that if you swing fast enough, the water does not fall out of the pail > > onto your head, even when the pail is overhead and gravity is pulling > > the water downward. Note that gravity and the pressure from the sides > > and bottom of the pail are the only forces acting on the water. > > So, once you figure out why gravity doesn't make the water fall out of > > the pail onto your head when you do this, you'll understand perhaps > > why the moon doesn't fall into the earth, why the earth doesn't fall > > into the sun, and why the electron doesn't fall into the proton. > > Can youi please show how attraction doesn't bring them together? > Lets be sensible. There's nothing like seeing things with your own eyes. This is why I suggested the pail of water trick, which you can actually do. Then try to tell yourself what you're seeing doesn't make sense. If it actually happens, it has to make sense. It's just that you haven't figured out how to make sense of it.
From: BURT on 6 May 2010 14:56 On May 6, 11:42 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On May 6, 1:16 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On May 6, 7:57 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On May 4, 9:21 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > If the electric force has an opposite which acts as an attraction it > > > > would mean that the electron and protons ought to come together > > > > because of it. But you have to force these particles together so how > > > > can you say they attract one another? > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > No, it does NOT mean that electrons and protons ought to come together > > > because of it. > > > No that makes no sense that they are attractive but they don't come > > together without force. > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > The reason is angular momentum. > > > The simple test you can do in the town library where you make your > > > posts is to swing a pail of water in a vertical circle. You'll note > > > that if you swing fast enough, the water does not fall out of the pail > > > onto your head, even when the pail is overhead and gravity is pulling > > > the water downward. Note that gravity and the pressure from the sides > > > and bottom of the pail are the only forces acting on the water. > > > So, once you figure out why gravity doesn't make the water fall out of > > > the pail onto your head when you do this, you'll understand perhaps > > > why the moon doesn't fall into the earth, why the earth doesn't fall > > > into the sun, and why the electron doesn't fall into the proton. > > > Can youi please show how attraction doesn't bring them together? > > Lets be sensible. > > There's nothing like seeing things with your own eyes. This is why I > suggested the pail of water trick, which you can actually do. > > Then try to tell yourself what you're seeing doesn't make sense. > > If it actually happens, it has to make sense. It's just that you > haven't figured out how to make sense of it.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - If an electron and a proton have to be forced together it makes no sense that they are attractive. Mitch Raemsch
From: PD on 6 May 2010 15:00 On May 6, 1:56 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On May 6, 11:42 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On May 6, 1:16 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > On May 6, 7:57 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On May 4, 9:21 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > If the electric force has an opposite which acts as an attraction it > > > > > would mean that the electron and protons ought to come together > > > > > because of it. But you have to force these particles together so how > > > > > can you say they attract one another? > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > No, it does NOT mean that electrons and protons ought to come together > > > > because of it. > > > > No that makes no sense that they are attractive but they don't come > > > together without force. > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > The reason is angular momentum. > > > > The simple test you can do in the town library where you make your > > > > posts is to swing a pail of water in a vertical circle. You'll note > > > > that if you swing fast enough, the water does not fall out of the pail > > > > onto your head, even when the pail is overhead and gravity is pulling > > > > the water downward. Note that gravity and the pressure from the sides > > > > and bottom of the pail are the only forces acting on the water. > > > > So, once you figure out why gravity doesn't make the water fall out of > > > > the pail onto your head when you do this, you'll understand perhaps > > > > why the moon doesn't fall into the earth, why the earth doesn't fall > > > > into the sun, and why the electron doesn't fall into the proton. > > > > Can youi please show how attraction doesn't bring them together? > > > Lets be sensible. > > > There's nothing like seeing things with your own eyes. This is why I > > suggested the pail of water trick, which you can actually do. > > > Then try to tell yourself what you're seeing doesn't make sense. > > > If it actually happens, it has to make sense. It's just that you > > haven't figured out how to make sense of it.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > If an electron and a proton have to be forced together it makes no > sense that they are attractive. Who says they have to be forced together? Take a marble and put it in a mixing bowl. If you put the marble on the side of the mixing bowl and let it go, there is obviously a force that attracts the marble to the center of the bowl. But now swirl the bowl so the marble is racing in a circle on the sides of the bowl. The attractive force is still there, and yet the marble does not fall to the center. On the other hand, it does not take any forcing to have the ball go to the center, either. These are commonsense, everyday examples, Mitch. You learn a lot by paying attention to ordinary things, rather than focusing on the exotic. > > Mitch Raemsch
From: BURT on 6 May 2010 15:29
On May 6, 12:00 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On May 6, 1:56 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On May 6, 11:42 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On May 6, 1:16 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > On May 6, 7:57 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On May 4, 9:21 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > If the electric force has an opposite which acts as an attraction it > > > > > > would mean that the electron and protons ought to come together > > > > > > because of it. But you have to force these particles together so how > > > > > > can you say they attract one another? > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > No, it does NOT mean that electrons and protons ought to come together > > > > > because of it. > > > > > No that makes no sense that they are attractive but they don't come > > > > together without force. > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > The reason is angular momentum. > > > > > The simple test you can do in the town library where you make your > > > > > posts is to swing a pail of water in a vertical circle. You'll note > > > > > that if you swing fast enough, the water does not fall out of the pail > > > > > onto your head, even when the pail is overhead and gravity is pulling > > > > > the water downward. Note that gravity and the pressure from the sides > > > > > and bottom of the pail are the only forces acting on the water. > > > > > So, once you figure out why gravity doesn't make the water fall out of > > > > > the pail onto your head when you do this, you'll understand perhaps > > > > > why the moon doesn't fall into the earth, why the earth doesn't fall > > > > > into the sun, and why the electron doesn't fall into the proton. > > > > > Can youi please show how attraction doesn't bring them together? > > > > Lets be sensible. > > > > There's nothing like seeing things with your own eyes. This is why I > > > suggested the pail of water trick, which you can actually do. > > > > Then try to tell yourself what you're seeing doesn't make sense. > > > > If it actually happens, it has to make sense. It's just that you > > > haven't figured out how to make sense of it.- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > If an electron and a proton have to be forced together it makes no > > sense that they are attractive. > > Who says they have to be forced together? > Neutronium says they have to be forced together. Mitch Raemsch |