From: krw on
On Fri, 28 May 2010 11:59:44 -0700, "Joel Koltner"
<zapwireDASHgroups(a)yahoo.com> wrote:

>"John Larkin" <jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in message
>news:s2300698d2uftmqshsaervs39vc0asuvr6(a)4ax.com...
>> This is not a sit-down test. This is a thing I scribble and talk
>> about. There is no intent to be tricky, but I need to know if the
>> person understands fundamantals.
>
>Understood, some people just naturally seem to get really nervous and make
>bizarre assumptions that all interviews are going to be full of trick
>questions and are looking to ambush the interviewee at their first
>opportunity. Far better to go in with the assumption that you're dealing
>with rational, down-to-earth people... and if that's not the case, do you
>really want to work for them anyway?

Good point. When I graduated I had an interview with NCR in SoCal. They ran
an Inquisition style interview. I didn't much appreciate the way they ran
things otherwise, so came to exactly that conclusion.

<...>
From: Michael A. Terrell on

John Larkin wrote:
>
> On Fri, 28 May 2010 10:34:22 -0700, "Joel Koltner"
> <zapwireDASHgroups(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >"John Larkin" <jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in message
> >news:9f7uv5purnraa511gl0cunsek4v96d2uvh(a)4ax.com...
> >> On Thu, 27 May 2010 14:38:24 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
> >>> What type of transistor? NPN or PNP?
> >> Thank you for coming by to interview. Best of luck.
> >
> >No, no, John, your follow-up question is supposed to be about how one would go
> >about measuring the height of a building with a barometer, wherein you see
> >whether or not the many alternatives to the "intended" answer (e.g., "I go to
> >the buliding superintendent and tell him I'll give him this fancy new
> >barometer if he just tells me the height of the building") are sufficiently
> >entertaining or not. :-)
> >
> >There is sometimes a blurry line between "this is intended to be a
> >straighforward problem and you should make any reasonable assumptions
> >necessary" and "this is something of a trick question and you need to proceed
> >like a lawyer unraveling the tax code to have any hope of ascertaining the
> >answer we've deemed as correct."
> >
> >---Joel
>
> This is not a sit-down test. This is a thing I scribble and talk
> about. There is no intent to be tricky, but I need to know if the
> person understands fundamantals.
>
> I use this one too:
>
> +10V
> |
> |
> |
> R=1K
> |
> |
> +-------- A
> |
> |
> R=1K
> |
> |
> |
> gnd
>
> What's the voltage at "A" ?
>
> I'm not kidding. Lots of people don't know. They mumble about not
> remembering the equation.
>
> John


In theory, it is exactly +5 volts. If you use an old 1K ohm per volt
voltmeter to read it, it will be 4.5454545454545454545454545454545
volts. (give or take a few digits)


--
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From: krw on
On Fri, 28 May 2010 19:13:05 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mike.terrell(a)earthlink.net> wrote:

>
>John Larkin wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, 28 May 2010 10:34:22 -0700, "Joel Koltner"
>> <zapwireDASHgroups(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >"John Larkin" <jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in message
>> >news:9f7uv5purnraa511gl0cunsek4v96d2uvh(a)4ax.com...
>> >> On Thu, 27 May 2010 14:38:24 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
>> >>> What type of transistor? NPN or PNP?
>> >> Thank you for coming by to interview. Best of luck.
>> >
>> >No, no, John, your follow-up question is supposed to be about how one would go
>> >about measuring the height of a building with a barometer, wherein you see
>> >whether or not the many alternatives to the "intended" answer (e.g., "I go to
>> >the buliding superintendent and tell him I'll give him this fancy new
>> >barometer if he just tells me the height of the building") are sufficiently
>> >entertaining or not. :-)
>> >
>> >There is sometimes a blurry line between "this is intended to be a
>> >straighforward problem and you should make any reasonable assumptions
>> >necessary" and "this is something of a trick question and you need to proceed
>> >like a lawyer unraveling the tax code to have any hope of ascertaining the
>> >answer we've deemed as correct."
>> >
>> >---Joel
>>
>> This is not a sit-down test. This is a thing I scribble and talk
>> about. There is no intent to be tricky, but I need to know if the
>> person understands fundamantals.
>>
>> I use this one too:
>>
>> +10V
>> |
>> |
>> |
>> R=1K
>> |
>> |
>> +-------- A
>> |
>> |
>> R=1K
>> |
>> |
>> |
>> gnd
>>
>> What's the voltage at "A" ?
>>
>> I'm not kidding. Lots of people don't know. They mumble about not
>> remembering the equation.
>>
>> John
>
>
> In theory, it is exactly +5 volts. If you use an old 1K ohm per volt
>voltmeter to read it, it will be 4.5454545454545454545454545454545
>volts. (give or take a few digits)

He didn't tell you to measure it! ;-)
From: Joel Koltner on
<krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote in message
news:ivj0065hunv7sf3nn7gbs8ksbiunkm3lev(a)4ax.com...
> He didn't tell you to measure it! ;-)

Yeah, but until you measure it, couldn't it simultaneously be many different
voltages? Like how Schroedinger's cat is both dead and alive at the same time
until you actually go to look at it? :-)

From: krw on
On Fri, 28 May 2010 16:33:15 -0700, "Joel Koltner"
<zapwireDASHgroups(a)yahoo.com> wrote:

><krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote in message
>news:ivj0065hunv7sf3nn7gbs8ksbiunkm3lev(a)4ax.com...
>> He didn't tell you to measure it! ;-)
>
>Yeah, but until you measure it, couldn't it simultaneously be many different
>voltages? Like how Schroedinger's cat is both dead and alive at the same time
>until you actually go to look at it? :-)

I thought he was hiring an engineer, not a physicist or philosopher.